HairOnFire Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket? As this draft process plays out I have to admit I'm pretty bored watching the same names shift up and down a handful of spots here and there, especially in the drafts first two rounds. But scroll up to the previous post and check out some of the newer names on the GBN big board now projected to be in play when the Bengals pick in the 3rd round. For example, Quinton "Quincy" Carter is now ranked in the mid 70's....roughly 30 slots lower than in mid-January. BTW, does anyone think an injured Bruce Carter (#64) might still be there in the 3rd? And if so, would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Yes. Provided we do not address Linebacker before that.I still would love to see Von Miller in Stripes but not if Fairley, Dareus, or Peterson is there and it is looking like one of them will be. Bowers is another possibility, if someone grabs offense early someone will drop to us. Keep praying that Buffalo falls in love with Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert, or someone in Carolina decides they must have a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I want Mallett even less now,I don't wanna put some much weight in to fourty times but hes slowing then most DT's and OT's!Ryan Mallett runs 5.37 forty time at Pro DayPosted by Evan Silva on March 8, 2011, 1:24 PM ESTAllstate Sugar Bowl - Ohio State v Arkansas Getty ImagesQuarterback Ryan Mallett ran a 5.37 forty-yard dash time at the Arkansas Razorbacks’ Pro Day on Tuesday.Mallett was the only quarterback to not run at last week’s Scouting Combine, and we now know why.He’s lineman-slow.While forty times and similar measurables have no known correlation to NFL success, Mallett’s Pro Day performance confirms the belief that he’s a below-average athlete. Mallett’s other measurables from Tuesday: 26-inch vertical and 8-foot, 7 1/4-inch broad jump at 6-foot-7 and 247 pounds.He’s lost six pounds since the Combine.Among the quarterbacks timed in Indianapolis, Mallett’s forty would’ve ranked 18th of 18. His broad jump would’ve ranked 16th of the 17 signal callers to participate in that measurement, and his vertical would rank 16th of 17 as we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 When was the last time you saw a QB drop back 40 yards to make a pass? So he isn't fast, but can he make the throws? Yep. Is he the most polished and pro ready QB in this draft? Yep. I can't seem to remember but there was this quarterback from Michigan that everyone said was a poor athlete and looked like a sloth at the combine but turned out to be prety good? What is his name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 These are my Pros and Cons to Mallet and a big reason why I don't want himPros-Experiance being under Center More likely ready for pro offense then some of the others-Has a Huge arm,Pretty much the whole reason he's considered a top QB prospect is arm strength.Cons-Has had questionable Deccesion making-It goes beyond not being a athlette,when I see a 5.3+ fourty It reminds me of Jarcmarrusel Russel & Brylon Leftiwhich who I'm pretty sure both ran faster.-Questionable decesion making considered Gun Slinger ala Bret Favore-Superb accuracy on the long ball but is it as good on the shorter/medium stuff that actually matters in a WCO-Once again the guy is a statue how do you exspect him to play behind our Oline which weakness is pass protection?Aslong as Paul Alexander is our Oline Coach It's a huge concernThe man who considered Stacey Andrews a tOP ot in the nfl & isn't even considerig upgrading over nate living-Even if his character concern has been blown out of porpotions still doesn't look good when you walk out on press conference...To me that doesn't seem like he's ready to handle pressures of a NFL QB so another Derek Anderson or Ryan Leaf?quarterback from Michigan that everyone said was a poor athlete and looked like a sloth at the combine but turned out to be prety good? What is his name? Really you wanna compare Mallet to Tom Brady? REALLY? first tom isn't a crack fiend second how do you think he would do behind our Oline one of worst pass protection units in the NFL Brady gets by on being a terrible Athelette because patriots have always had a above average oline and willing to draft/pay guards(Maybe not OT money but but willing to use that franchise tag!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I don't want Mallet. That said, I'm not sure I can come up with a less relevant test for a QB than his 40-time. How often do you see successful QBs getting into footraces with defenders? Aside from Vick, I can't name one. Good QBs avoid pressure by stepping up or to the side... not by running away from it.The WCO is predicated on getting the ball out of the QBs hands quickly and into the hands of playmakers. Whoever the Bengals have playing QB won't be required to run much. Citing Mallet's 40-time does nothing for or against my opinion of him. And frankly, I think the drug stuff is probably overblown. I don't want him because he makes horrible decisions with the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I don't want Mallet. That said, I'm not sure I can come up with a less relevant test for a QB than his 40-time. And I can't come up with a less relevant test for a QB than the combine as a whole. There's no real NFL experience here. No pressure from any 300+ pound linemen bearing down on them. No pressure of having a blitzing linebacker coming from the blindside. No tests involving having to make the decision of having to choose between throw the ball away, or tuck it in and try to run for the 1st down.Total bulls**t. As I've said before it's a punt, pass and kick kiddie show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Total bulls**t. Simply chuck the ball to wide open targets with no one in your face.I know fourty really isn't that important but at the same time it just confirms how slow he is ...as for QB not having to run much in the WCO and just getting rid of the ball quickly why are almost all WCO QB's mobile?Hassleback (he isn't fast but he's still mobileColt MccoyDonavan McnabbAaron Rodgers Alex SmithKevin Kolb Michael VickWallacePS,I Guess Jake Delhomme wasn't very mobile but that exactly didn't work out for cleveland...Then I guess you could mention Brady,Manning & Rivers but how many years have they had in a WCO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Gimme Locker in the 3rd or later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Well Kaz... you defeated your own argument when you admitted that you don't have to be fast to be mobile. Joe Montana ran a 4.7 40. Kolb ran a 4.8. Hasselbeck ran a 4.9.Speed is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for pocket awareness, calm under pressure/good decision making, and accurate passing. I'm not suggesting Mallet has these things. To the contrary, I don't want him anywhere near Cincy. But his 40-time is the least of my worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Total bulls**t. As I've said before it's a punt, pass and kick kiddie show.I can more or less agree. I think the problem with the combine is when people shoot up the draft boards for reasons they never exhibited on the field.On the other hand, I think the combine is valuable for dropping a player down the draft board. For instance, a CB who played well in college might have never had his speed challenged the way he will in the NFL, so his stock should drop accordingly when it is discovered that he is slower than he was perceived to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Some food for thought from our friends over at phinphanatic.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Well Kaz... you defeated your own argument when you admitted that you don't have to be fast to be mobile. Joe Montana ran a 4.7 40. Kolb ran a 4.8. Hasselbeck ran a 4.9.But he isn't mobile,I don't care just about a guyss speed...I said I wanted to see us sign Hassleback well we develop a young QB...I'd be happy with almost any QB even one not named kaepernick in this years draft...I just don't want to see us draft Mallett I think if his name got called it was a Mike Brown Decision not our OC/staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Some food for thought from our friends over at phinphanatic.comLooks like McElroy or Dalton would be a steal in the third or later, and I wish that Newton and Gabbert were included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Kiper has Gabbert going #1 now and the Bengals picking Newton. Anyone really think that's how it's going to go down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Some food for thought from our friends over at phinphanatic.comBased on that I'd say it's a no-brainer if we spend a draft pic on the QB. McElroy in the 4th.If only stats told the whole story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I said I wanted to see us sign Hassleback well we develop a young QB...Perfect. Trade Carson to the Seahawks for their first round pick, then sign Hasselback for half what they have to pay Carson. We basically trade older breaking down quarterbacks, we get their first round pick, we save 5 million, and we get the proven winner who's taken his team to the playoffs six times and to one Super Bowl. They get Carson, whatever that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I said I wanted to see us sign Hassleback well we develop a young QB...Perfect. Trade Carson to the Seahawks for their first round pick, then sign Hasselback for half what they have to pay Carson. We basically trade older breaking down quarterbacks, we get their first round pick, we save 5 million, and we get the proven winner who's taken his team to the playoffs six times and to one Super Bowl. They get Carson, whatever that is.Yup,You also get a QB who has been coached by one of the better WCO coaches to teach your new young QB coming in,Though I guess we can just take McElroy since high wonderlic scores equals nfl success... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I guess we can just take McElroy since high wonderlic scores equals nfl success...Sarcasm noted and agreed with - but I dont see Wonderlic scores in the charts above......so I am not sure how Wonderlic scores came into this discussion? Nor do I know if McElroy did well or not?Your response confuses me :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Some food for thought from our friends over at phinphanatic.comUmmm, where are the stats for Newton? He only took his team to the National Championship title while holding the Heisman. Not even Palmer did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I guess we can just take McElroy since high wonderlic scores equals nfl success...Sarcasm noted and agreed with - but I dont see Wonderlic scores in the charts above......so I am not sure how Wonderlic scores came into this discussion? Nor do I know if McElroy did well or not?Your response confuses me :-)Well it's draft thread gotta consider more things then forty times PS,I Confuse everyone even myself at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Total bulls**t. As I've said before it's a punt, pass and kick kiddie show.Somewhat, but the point of the combine is not to find reasons to draft a guy. It's about finding reasons not to draft a guy. We're well into nitpick stage now, which is why is all this kiddie show stuff gets trotted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Total bulls**t. As I've said before it's a punt, pass and kick kiddie show.Somewhat, but the point of the combine is not to find reasons to draft a guy. It's about finding reasons not to draft a guy. We're well into nitpick stage now, which is why is all this kiddie show stuff gets trotted out.I see your point, but the reason to draft a player or not draft a player in the combine are all assumed under the same pretext. I know the combine will never go away. It keeps the NFL relevant in the off season before the draft. I just have little faith in it, and with that I promise to leave my opinions out of such conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Ummm, where are the stats for Newton? He only took his team to the National Championship title while holding the Heisman. Not even Palmer did that.The guy who put those stats together is a Dolphins fan, and he doesn't expect Newton or Gabbert to be available when they draft.So, obviously this list is useful to us in trying to decide who we would like drafted, assuming the Bengals don't take a QB at #4 overall.That said... I want NOTHING to do with Cam Newton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 the point of the combine is not to find reasons to draft a guy. It's about finding reasons not to draft a guy.I dunno.....I see some value in thisIf I have two corners rated more or less the same, and I find out one is a 4.3 guy and the other is a 4.6 guy, the 40 time breaks that tie. With two otherwise similarly rated DTs, I'll prefer the stronger or quicker of the two. etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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