Whur CHad At? Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Robert Quinn intrigues me as well. I would just love to see another nice pass rusher opposite Dunlap.That would also make the loss of JJoe more tolerable, as it would give the CB's some real support.Did you see how he bent his knees at the combine and how they compared it to Freeney's. That was sick. He also is better than Bowers and I would be pissed if we tooled Bowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah, I saw that. They were talking about the lean and a DE's ability to get by the OT. He had less than a 45 degree angle lean while going after the QB. With that type of lean, the OT wasn't even able to get his hands on him. It was like one second he was there and the next he was gone and eating the QB alive. You know he has to feel he has to come out and produce and I wouldn't mind having him opposite Dunlap. If they don't simply get rid of Geathers, seeing him in the pass rusher role might actually help him.That's just one way they could go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 If we took quinn what would we do with MJ? just be part of rotation? Or move him to linebacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I think that would also depend on what happens at the linebacker position, but having bookend pass rushers would be far more exciting for this defense then a replacement for JJoe. Simply said, you can trot out a lesser talented CB than JJoe and with a solid pass rush, the loss won't be dramatic. Keep what we have with Geathers getting the starting nod and a JJoe replacement and I think it's much of the same.Don't get me wrong though, I still think AJ Green is the pick with little to no thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yup that was the thing 2009 with Halls & Josephs superb play was with very little no passrush...minus the green bay game which those sacks came from great coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 http://www.draftcountdown.com/interviews/Von-Miller/Von-Miller.phpVon Miller interview, this is why I am so high on this kid, he is a football player! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think Miller is a beast. That being said, it's not quite the hole I think needs to be filled at #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 If we took quinn what would we do with MJ? just be part of rotation? Or move him to linebacker.We never actually got to see the MJ linebacker/Joker experiment put into play. It's what they planned for all pre-season but then the injuries happened and he went back to DE. For the sake of argument, they may still have that notion. If so, I'd say drafting Robert Quinn makes a ton of sense (although I'm leery of him having as much as 2 years away from football before he plays). The one appealing thing to me about Miller is that he could potentially take on that role (Joker)... But overall, I agree that a little more pass-rush (whether we get that on the inside or out) to go with a great corner tandem is the key to this D really being great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 The big thing that can't be overlooked in this, is who we have as free agents of our own.With Fanene and Rucker as free agents on the d-line, the drafting of a DE early makes sense.Couple that with a maybe average Geathers and non-roided Odom and it's almost no brainer.Part of that free agent equation is Brandon Johnson who is reportedly looking for a chance to start, but not knowing if he will get that chance here in Cincinnati. I think he should get that shot if they move Rey to the middle, but that isn't a forgone conclusion. If they keep Brandon, sure, wait on DE, but if not, MJ to that spot wouldn't be a poor move either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 The big thing that can't be overlooked in this, is who we have as free agents of our own.With Fanene and Rucker as free agents on the d-line, the drafting of a DE early makes sense.Couple that with a maybe average Geathers and non-roided Odom and it's almost no brainer.Part of that free agent equation is Brandon Johnson who is reportedly looking for a chance to start, but not knowing if he will get that chance here in Cincinnati. I think he should get that shot if they move Rey to the middle, but that isn't a forgone conclusion. If they keep Brandon, sure, wait on DE, but if not, MJ to that spot wouldn't be a poor move either.Brandon Johnson should get that shot here, they are a better defenese in my opinion when he is out there. They are stupid not to resign him, i still think he is the best LB on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 There was an article written not long ago by Reedy that Brandon Johnson wasn't going to be coming back to the Bengals.I can't seem to find it real quick but will look more later. Anyway, while I agree he should get that shot here, IF he doesn't, it changes what they do headed into the draft. With free agency not happening either, it's really their only way to address problems.I would be more than happy with Johnson, Maualuga, and Rivers at the LB spots.I just don't know if it's going to happen and if not, a DE pick and MJ in the joker role makes sense.I will almost always end any of these "who to pick at #4" threads with this:I still fully anticipate AJ Green to be the pick regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I still fully anticipate AJ Green to be the pick regardless.I was just watching NFL Live on ESPN, and they talked at length about the Bengals situation with Carson Palmer. Herm Edwards was pimping Cam Newton pretty hard.I've always liked old Herm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Smoke and mirrors.The Bengals probably want to give the impression they are now high on Newton so the Browns don't trade up to #3 and take Green ahead of them.Then again, anyones guess is at least halfway accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think Miller is a beast. That being said, it's not quite the hole I think needs to be filled at #4.So was Vernon gholston.AJ Green should be the pick. But who are we kidding guys. Cam Newton will be the pick if he is there. Not to say that's what I want because is not, but this is mike brown people. Let's not forget that. Jay gruden and Marvin Lewis have no say I this pick and you guys know that. I think we all have it buried deep in our fragile little minds.Mikey needs his keesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 AJ Green should be the pick. But who are we kidding guys. Cam Newton will be the pick if he is there. That's what I'm thinking/hoping/praying. I know I'm in the minority on this, but I honestly feel he is the best option we'll get a shot at as far as QB's go. This year or next. I know Luck is good, but I feel Cam Newton is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 AJ Green should be the pick. But who are we kidding guys. Cam Newton will be the pick if he is there. That's what I'm thinking/hoping/praying. I know I'm in the minority on this, but I honestly feel he is the best option we'll get a shot at as far as QB's go. This year or next. I know Luck is good, but I feel Cam Newton is better.I just can't think how taking such a huge risk and huge project this early in the draft especially with a lockout can be justified. I think Cam is going to be terrific, buri believe taking Green would be smart.But I still think Newton will be the pick no matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Smoke and mirrors.The Bengals probably want to give the impression they are now high on Newton so the Browns don't trade up to #3 and take Green ahead of them. I can't see anyone trading up for Green. In fact, Charlie Casserly recently spoke about Green and not only called him the best athlete in this draft, but the best football player and the safest possible pick. But in the very same breath Casserly predicted we'd eventually look back upon this draft and wonder why the player who went to the most Pro Bowls wasn't selected in the Top 10, let alone the Top 5, simply because he plays WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I think Miller is a beast. That being said, it's not quite the hole I think needs to be filled at #4.So was Vernon gholston.AJ Green should be the pick. But who are we kidding guys. Cam Newton will be the pick if he is there. Not to say that's what I want because is not, but this is mike brown people. Let's not forget that. Jay gruden and Marvin Lewis have no say I this pick and you guys know that. I think we all have it buried deep in our fragile little minds.Mikey needs his keesh! I doubt it's buried very deeply. After all, Mike Brown has said on numerous occasions that he typically lets his head coaches choose the players they want, without interference, UNLESS the pick falls in the Top 5 OR involves the starting QB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Ponder the possibilities./>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/17/christian-ponder-gets-extra-attention-from-bengals-on-pro-day/Either way, the Bengals need to find a new young quarterback for offensive coordinator Jay Gruden’s West Coast offense. On Wednesday, coach Marvin Lewis and Gruden were in attendance at Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder’s Pro Day. (So was Isaac Bruce of all people, catching passes.) Lewis was the only head coach there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I still like the thought of Ponder if he's there in the 2nd. It really wouldn't bother me much at all.I mean it's not the #4 overall being used on a QB and if they trade Chad and get a 2nd, it's a bonus.I'm now pondering how a Von Miller getting to us at #4 might make a trade down more possible as well.The Cowboys, sitting at #9 are said to be VERY interested in him.By the way, we were one of two of the first 10 teams picking NOT to attend Miller's pro day.He won't be the pick, but sitting in front of Arizona, who is in need of a guy like Miller, makes the #4 spot nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I think Miller is a beast. That being said, it's not quite the hole I think needs to be filled at #4.So was Vernon gholston.AJ Green should be the pick. But who are we kidding guys. Cam Newton will be the pick if he is there. Not to say that's what I want because is not, but this is mike brown people. Let's not forget that. Jay gruden and Marvin Lewis have no say I this pick and you guys know that. I think we all have it buried deep in our fragile little minds.Mikey needs his keesh! I doubt it's buried very deeply. After all, Mike Brown has said on numerous occasions that he typically lets his head coaches choose the players they want, without interference, UNLESS the pick falls in the Top 5 OR involves the starting QB position.....or he's worried about that player getting drafted by Cleveland and having to play them twice a year (see D. Klingler, 1992). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Not only does this draft lack a clear consensus #1 guy, but I'm starting to wonder if this draft has any true blue chippers. No matter who you consider everybody seems to have warts.....including the dreaded brain wart!Low Wonderlic scores ding elite NFL prospectsPosted March 17, 2011 @ 9:01 p.m. ETBy Nolan NawrockiTwo of the NFL's brightest future stars, LSU CB Patrick Peterson and Georgia WR A.J. Green, registered among the five lowest Wonderlic scores of the 330 participants at this year's Combine.Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.Green registered the lowest score of all receivers, answering 10 questions correctly. What does it mean? The Wonderlic test is just a small piece of the evaluation process, designed to gauge the intelligence of prospects. What NFL teams value much more highly is football intelligence — how quickly a player can instinctively read, react and make plays on the field."Peterson plays like a low-test guy," one NFL decision maker told PFW on the condition he remain anonymous, "but (if) he's in 'cat' (man-to-man) coverage in the NFL, it's not as big of an issue as it will be for offensive guys.""He's a press corner," another longtime evaluator said. "His strong suit is that he can run and press. He won't play for the Patriots, where he's disguising coverage after coverage, but I still think he can be a No. 1 shutdown corner."A scout with deep knowledge of the kid said, "The more I'm around him, the more I love him even more. I love the kid, and I love the talent. But I don't like the way he plays with his back to the ball. He has an instinct issue, and I think it's tied to his mental (ability). He can only handle so much. He's not a quick processor. It's a scary year to be drafting in the top 10 because they all have some issue."The increasing complexity of NFL offenses creates more pressure for a receiver like Green, but teams are still split about how much of a concern his score is."He will get it," one evaluator said. "You're going to have to take it slow with him and let him start at one position and let him learn on the run. He's not going to be able to handle learning all three positions. If you ask him to be an X, Y and Z, you're setting him up for failure.""A.J. won't reach his full potential," another evaluator said. "It's hard for dumb receivers. I don't know that Julio Jones (who scored a 15, ranking in the bottom 12 among wideouts) will be much better."A third evaluator said, "You can't cover that guy. He's so difficult to defend. Will it take him some time? It could. That's on the coaches. It's their job not to give him too much. If you overload him, you could have some problems initially, but he's a great kid. He'll work at it. And he'll get it."Florida OT Carl Johnson produced the worst score among this draft class, registering a 6, and Oklahoma RB Kendall Hunter was the only other athlete to record a single digit, scoring a 9.The offensive line and quarterback groups, both expected to score highly given the premium placed on reading defenses and recognizing protection in the NFL, heavily represented the top 10 scores. Alabama QB Greg McElroy registered the top score, correctly answering 43 of the 49 questions he attempted. He was followed by Boston College OT Anthony Castonzo (41), Baylor OG Danny Watkins (40), Wisconsin QB Scott Tolzien (38), Idaho QB Nathan Enderle (38), Central Michigan ILB Nick Bellore (36), Portland State TE Julius Thomas (35), Florida State QB Christian Ponder (35), Michigan OG Steve Schilling (35) and Nebraska CB Prince Amukamara (35).Although the tests are designed to measure intelligence, many registered NFL player advisers help their clients prepare for the exam, and as a result, the test scores often may be inflated. The Wonderlic company says no tester should improve by more than a handful of points, and any improvement much greater than that should be dismissed.Castonzo scored a 35 the first time he took the exam last spring, six points lower than he did at the recent Combine; McElroy scored a 32, jumping 11 points, and Enderle a 40, falling two. On the other hand, Watkins scored a 15 the first time he took the exam last spring, so his 25-point improvement will be discarded by NFL teams, which have expressed some concern about his ability to handle playing multiple positions despite having the physical skill set to play anywhere on the line. Bellore scored a 21 the first time he took the test, showing a 15-point improvement. Amukamara, who registered the top score for a cornerback, improved by 21 points from the 14 he recorded last fall, and teams that have interviewed him have said the 14 score is a closer indicator of his intelligence. />http://www.profootba...e-nfl-prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Bengal QB expert and par-tay animal Akili Smith talks about comparisons of Cam Newton to him. The whole thing pisses me off all over again when I read the article. Another round peg and a square hole and we wonder why it doesn't work. WTF.http://www.bengals.c...18-b3c65e209c42"If they feel he's a one-year wonder, then, please, let him break in behind a veteran," Smith said this week from San Diego. "I love his game. I think he'll be a very good NFL quarterback. If he does what I didn't do and not get caught up in the clubs and the entertainment thing and he does what he's supposed to do in the offseason, he'll be fine." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 i am pulling for the panthers to draft gabbert, the bills to draft newton. give me ponder in the 2nd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm really thinking the Panthers will fall in love with Newton and draft him.Follow that with the Broncos taking Peterson and the Bills taking Gabbert.That leaves us with an assload of options, with my personal favorite of "trading down", being the top option.Bowers, Green, Fairley, Dareus, and Quinn all on the board at #4 ?? Find the team and trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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