TJJackson Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I want NOTHING to do with Cam Newton.Standin with ya on this oneNo more media icons. No more Prancing princesses. Gimme football players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 the point of the combine is not to find reasons to draft a guy. It's about finding reasons not to draft a guy.I dunno.....I see some value in thisIf I have two corners rated more or less the same, and I find out one is a 4.3 guy and the other is a 4.6 guy, the 40 time breaks that tie. With two otherwise similarly rated DTs, I'll prefer the stronger or quicker of the two. etc etc.That's the general idea. As I understand the way the process works for most teams (and how much this holds true for the Bengals is anyone's guess) is that by the time the combine rolls around, most teams have their boards pretty much set. They've watched the film, gotten reports from their scouts and by and large have the guys lined up based on what they actually did on the field. And those rankings aren't going to change much. What is going to happen is that they now start putting check marks and red flags after names. So when their selection comes up and there are five guys that their board says are worth the pick, they have extra info to help them make the call.As for Newton, reports today were that the bengals will have him in for a workout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I want NOTHING to do with Cam Newton.Standin with ya on this oneNo more media icons. No more Prancing princesses. Gimme football players.Good lord. I'd rather have AJ Green 10 times over Newton. Primarily I'd like to see a DT or DE or tradedown.But for all that is good in the world, No Cam Newton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 But for all that is good in the world, No Cam Newton!You can feel him coming too huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I could be very happy with the selection of Cam Newton....provided the Bengals move down in the 1st round TWICE before selecting him. Or trade up from the 2nd round to get him. But not at #4. Never. Stay true to your board, Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I could be very happy with the selection of Cam Newton....provided the Bengals move down in the 1st round TWICE before selecting him. Or trade up from the 2nd round to get him.Okay, let me get this straight. You think Cam Newton with all his laurels and pure physicality will still be available in the late first, or early second round? I just don't see that happening. Then again I didn't see Carson Palmer getting pu**y whipped by his woman. She must be packing one huge strap on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 FWIW:It was a headline on NFL.com, a blog entry from Gil Brandt who reported that the Bengals sent Kevin Coyle to Nebraska's pro day to watch Prince Amukamara. He noted that the Bengals only send a position coach when they are very serious about drafting that particular player. So what I was thinking, are we considering a trade down with a team like Dallas or SF? I like Amukamara, who actually has slightly better cover skills than PP.Back to the Cam Newton chatter thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I could be very happy with the selection of Cam Newton....provided the Bengals move down in the 1st round TWICE before selecting him. Or trade up from the 2nd round to get him.Okay, let me get this straight. You think Cam Newton with all his laurels and pure physicality will still be available in the late first, or early second round? I just don't see that happening. Then again I didn't see Carson Palmer getting pu**y whipped by his woman. She must be packing one huge strap on.No, what he's saying is the only way he would accept Cam Newton on this team is if the Bengals snag him very late in the first or in their spot in the second. If Newton's not there by then, cool. It means some other team has spent way too high a pick on a guy with huge risks to go with the huge talent.And I still agree. NO WAY to a qb with the 4th pick overall. But I've been saying that for two months now and I sure have not changed my mind on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 No, what he's saying is the only way he would accept Cam Newton on this team is if the Bengals snag him very late in the first or in their spot in the second. If Newton's not there by then, cool. It means some other team has spent way too high a pick on a guy with huge risks to go with the huge talent.And I still agree. NO WAY to a qb with the 4th pick overall. But I've been saying that for two months now and I sure have not changed my mind on that.Well I haven't changed my mind either Aaron. Normally I'm a "draft linemen" guy, but with the impending departure of Carson Palmer, and our 2nd stringer Dan LeFeavour from Central Michigan waiting in the wings to replace him, I feel the Bengals need the best QB in this draft. IMO that's Newton.I watched the majority of his games last year. Seldom was he off, and when he was he seemed to find another gear and pull off a win against the best division teams (i.e. the SEC) in the NCAA. I realize he's far from perfect, but I like his tools, his size, and his heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I watched the majority of his games last year. Seldom was he off, and when he was he seemed to find another gear and pull off a win against the best division teams (i.e. the SEC) in the NCAA. I realize he's far from perfect, but I like his tools, his size, and his heart.I can't argue with most of your post... because frankly, much of it is indisputable. However, my issue with him isn't what he did or did not accomplish. It's how he accomplished it.It wasn't a superior QB that went undefeated in the SEC. It was a superior athlete. And time has proven that the NFL is a whole different animal. He was a man amongst boys in college. And while he will still be one of the best pure athletes in the NFL, the gap will diminish considerably.Great athletes can be gameplaned against. Especially at the QB position where the very best players tend to be less physical freak and more brainiac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Okay, let me get this straight. You think Cam Newton with all his laurels and pure physicality will still be available in the late firstWarrenSapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I like AmukamaraWhats his 40 time? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Billy...I would be even madder if they were to take gabbert.You are sold on newton as a can't miss it sounds like. And at #4 overall, he would have to not miss. f**k that pick up on a qb who is s**t and we know what happens per the aftermath of hurricanes klingler and akili. It devastates franchises. There is no way I am certain newton won't bust like they did, and that uncertainty makes him way too big a risk from my perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Even without the ego and showboating, Newton is (not unlike Akili) a one year wonderI agree with mem - too big a risk at 4On the other hand, he's not too big a risk if we trade down into last quarter of round 1 and he slides down that far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 FWIW:It was a headline on NFL.com, a blog entry from Gil Brandt who reported that the Bengals sent Kevin Coyle to Nebraska's pro day to watch Prince Amukamara. He noted that the Bengals only send a position coach when they are very serious about drafting that particular player. So what I was thinking, are we considering a trade down with a team like Dallas or SF? I like Amukamara, who actually has slightly better cover skills than PP.Back to the Cam Newton chatter thanks for listening. No, thanks for posting. That's good stuff. Two quick points. First, there probably isn't a Bengal fan drawing breath who wouldn't prefer trading down over staying put....including some of us who would immediately attempt to move down again. And you're right, as a pure CB Amukamara is just as good or better than Peterson. All he lacks is the special teams skills that give Peterson unique value. Second, I can't help thinking aloud that Gil Brandt is currently pimping Cam Newton in exactly the same manner as he once pimped Akili Smith....prompting some observers at the time to wonder if Brandt wasn't guilty of accepting payolla in exchange for generating hype. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I could be very happy with the selection of Cam Newton....provided the Bengals move down in the 1st round TWICE before selecting him. Or trade up from the 2nd round to get him.Okay, let me get this straight. You think Cam Newton with all his laurels and pure physicality will still be available in the late first, or early second round? I just don't see that happening. Then again I didn't see Carson Palmer getting pu**y whipped by his woman. She must be packing one huge strap on.No, what he's saying is the only way he would accept Cam Newton on this team is if the Bengals snag him very late in the first or in their spot in the second. If Newton's not there by then, cool. It means some other team has spent way too high a pick on a guy with huge risks to go with the huge talent. Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying. Frankly, I like Newton just fine, but I can't envision him being ready to play for at least a year. Even longer under ideal circumstances. So I couldn't bring myself to grossly overdraft a player who couldn't help immediately. Granted, he could play immediately, but that's hardly the same thing as helping immediately. Frankly, if it were up to me I'd focus on finding an upgrade at the primary backup QB position and let other teams overdraft and overpay for the top QB prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 You can feel him coming too huh?I don't like him that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 You can feel him coming too huh?I don't like him that much.Heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I like AmukamaraWhats his 40 time? :-)A lot better than Newtons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I was going to start a new thread about who you would like to see the Bengals draft if they were in fact able to trade down and then I saw it mentioned here. My thought is just with a single trade down with a team that is QB needy. I think that is the most probable and will start there.I will get back to this thread later.Dang kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yes please trade back, and get as many picks as you can in this draft. There are many holes besides QB, on this team, and if they can get draft picks, then they can build the o-line, draft a decent saftey, maybe get a good QB later on in the first or in the second. Lots they can do if they trade back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 As much as I want a blue chipper,I'd be more then happy with trading back in the draft we have alot of holes that need to be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Trading down would most certainly be ideal when considering the teams picking below us that QB needy.San Fran, Tennessee, and Washington could all use upgrades. I just don't know if they would view these QB's as any better either.Here's to hoping someone is falling in love with the thought of Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert.A trade down to one of those spots would get their 2nd round pick near the top as well.Here's a nice scenario:Trade down a few spots, still get AJ Green, and pick up another pick in the top 10 of the 2nd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Trading down would most certainly be ideal when considering the teams picking below us that QB needy.San Fran, Tennessee, and Washington could all use upgrades. I just don't know if they would view these QB's as any better either.Here's to hoping someone is falling in love with the thought of Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert.A trade down to one of those spots would get their 2nd round pick near the top as well.Here's a nice scenario:Trade down a few spots, still get AJ Green, and pick up another pick in the top 10 of the 2nd round.I doubt AJ falls to far back, but you never know. There are plenty of good picks if they can drop back a few spots, there are plenty of needs to fill in this draft, this could be the best thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Robert Quinn intrigues me as well. I would just love to see another nice pass rusher opposite Dunlap.That would also make the loss of JJoe more tolerable, as it would give the CB's some real support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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