HoosierCat Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 19 hours ago, ShulaSteakhouse said: Collins' isn't someone you can rely on right now. Collins: challenge accepted. Quote A little less than fourth months removed from major knee surgery La'el Collins on Monday declared he felt so good physically that, "if I had to play today, I could put a brace on it and I could go to work." "I just know that each and every day I wake up, I feel stronger and I'm doing something that I wasn't doing the day before. I will say this, at the end of my workout last week, I was able to take some pass sets. That felt good. I know my knee is locked in and stable. Dr. (Neal) ElAttrache (who performed the surgery and also performed the surgery on Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow in 2020 and on cornerback Chidobe Awuzie last November) is the best in the business. I feel great." https://local12.com/sports/bengals/cincinnati-bengals-quandary-right-tackle-4-months-after-knee-surgery-lael-collins-hopeful-ready-regular-season-opener-nfl-pro-football-jonah-williams-orlando-brown-zac-taylor-jackson-carman-hakeem-adeniji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 Collins is certainly playing the role of team guy, hard working contributor. WTF, last year he could/would barely even practice in preseason, now he’s claiming super human healing skills and says he could slap a brace on there and get after it! Straight bullshit. I don’t even understand why. He’s still got two years left on his deal. Maybe he’s trying to pre-empt getting released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 I can’t say what’s going on. But it’s also possible that Cincy has proven to be a much better place for him than Jerrah’s joint. Change of scenery and all that. He still has to prove it, obviously. But I can’t complain about what we are hearing so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 He wasn't very good last year, I wonder how good he'll be coming back from that kind of injury? Ideally they move on from him and Jonah this season and draft a better RT, they can probably find an upgrade in the draft, in the first 2 rounds, at least an upgrade to Collins, Ford or Carman. I'd feel much better with a high upside rookie than what they currently have to rely on. Wouldn't mind a LG upgrade also, either via someone moving there, or signing/drafting someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 The flip side is that at some point, you have to say enough. The Bengals have poured a ridiculous amount of resources into the oline over the past 13 or so months. Not one, not two, not three, but four free agents totaling almost $140 million in contracts, a $12 million option for a fifth guy, Jonah, and a second, two fourth, and sixth round picks. Oh, and also Cody Ford. Now you want another FA and another high OT pick? I don’t think you are getting that, so you better hope that Collins isn’t full of crap, or that Carman has pulled his head out of his ass, or Adenji found a magic lamp on the beach and wished to become a real NFL tackle. Now, maybe they’ll manage to pull off some draft day deal and swap Jonah out for a prospect, but outside of that any more oline is tough to justify imo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 16 hours ago, HoosierCat said: Collins: challenge accepted. https://local12.com/sports/bengals/cincinnati-bengals-quandary-right-tackle-4-months-after-knee-surgery-lael-collins-hopeful-ready-regular-season-opener-nfl-pro-football-jonah-williams-orlando-brown-zac-taylor-jackson-carman-hakeem-adeniji lol. Just don't ask him to practice in August or during game week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 11 hours ago, HoosierCat said: The flip side is that at some point, you have to say enough. The Bengals have poured a ridiculous amount of resources into the oline over the past 13 or so months. Not one, not two, not three, but four free agents totaling almost $140 million in contracts, a $12 million option for a fifth guy, Jonah, and a second, two fourth, and sixth round picks. Oh, and also Cody Ford. Now you want another FA and another high OT pick? I don’t think you are getting that, so you better hope that Collins isn’t full of crap, or that Carman has pulled his head out of his ass, or Adenji found a magic lamp on the beach and wished to become a real NFL tackle. Now, maybe they’ll manage to pull off some draft day deal and swap Jonah out for a prospect, but outside of that any more oline is tough to justify imo. I agree that an OT prospect is getting dim for exactly the reasons you’ve put down. It’s looking more and more like this is a TE, DE, RB, WR, and CB draft for the front office. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Its just time to get a line that allows less than 35 and hopefully less than 30 sacks in a season. I'll take an all-pro tackle at anytime for the draft but it is sooooo tiresome talking about adding another piece to the line in order to survive after Pollack's unit has sucked up an enormous amount of FA dollar action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Supposedly (from another board) Carman back at Paycor looking ready to roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 16 hours ago, COB said: Collins is certainly playing the role of team guy, hard working contributor. WTF, last year he could/would barely even practice in preseason, now he’s claiming super human healing skills and says he could slap a brace on there and get after it! Straight bullshit. I don’t even understand why. He’s still got two years left on his deal. Maybe he’s trying to pre-empt getting released. So...you can call bullshit all you want but Burrow and others have talked AT LENGTH about how good Nick Cosgray and the other rehab trainers are at their jobs Burrow made it a goal with them to improve his core strength during the ACL rehab, and it was noticeably better to start year 2. I guess what I am saying is I do not necessarily find it far-fetched that IF Collins is really working in-house with Cosgray and staff on his rehab that they are focusing on conditioning and flexibility and addressing helping him with his back. Collins said how much better his back feels now than it ever did at any point last year. So, yeah. There might be something there - maybe he is a potential to help in the room come October. I haven't been considering it, but maybe I need to allow for the possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Log jam at tackle. Before they draft they have 6 guys for 3 spots. Somebody leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 3 hours ago, AMPHAR said: Log jam at tackle. Before they draft they have 6 guys for 3 spots. Somebody leaving. Jonah is getting traded, I have no doubts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 Logjam of mediocre talent at OT is what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 It’s really not too bad of a backup. Brown - starting LT Jonah - starting RT (let’s just grant for sake of argument) Carman - backup OT/OG Smith/Adenji/Ford - backup OT Collins - PUP at least to start the year Cochran - back to the PS So really it’s three guys (Smith, Adenji and Ford) fighting for one spot. And yeah, that’s hardly a battle of great talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 Love the prospect of them being backups. However that’s all they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 what about scharping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, ArmyBengal said: Love the prospect of them being backups. However that’s all they are. And to be fair that’s the situation for most teams. Few if any can boast having three or four starting caliber tackles. Given that the Bengals have dipped in FA twice in two offseasons at tackle, my guess is that they privately agree with you, Army. Which is why an OT sooner rather than later in the draft wouldn’t surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, TJJackson said: what about scharping? He’s a guard, not a tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 minute ago, HoosierCat said: He’s a guard, not a tackle. he played some ORT in college and for the Texans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 That’s great, but he’s not in the tackle mix here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 not so sure about that :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 If Scharping is in the mix for RT that only goes to show things are worse off than I originally thought. Agree Hoosier in that drafting OT easily would not surprise me. I’m just left to think they may be inclined to roll the dice with what they have. We will see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 My bet is that they only take an OT if he “falls to them” in the draft and was “high on our draft boards” like a Logan Wilson LB a few years back … I’m just thinking the money and guys in the room already will be the factor… can’t pay pro-Bowl talent at every position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 What I would love to see them do is swing a couple deals that get them extra picks in the late second/early third. So trade down from 28 and pick up a late second, then find someone early in the third who needs a tackle and deal Jonah in return for swapping third rounders. So they end up with something like picks 40, 50, 60 and 70. It probably knocks out corner but it seems like you can get good prospects just about everywhere else — OT, DL, TE and RB — in that range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 See, I’m open to a trade down as well. There is very little that will piss me off come tomorrow’s draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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