membengal Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I know you all like your jokes, but the cap wasn't officially set until two days ago and the market is flooding with Edge players. There was no good reason to set the market with an overpay. I love Lawson, but I want him at the right price given their needs. And if he is too much, there are a lot of options at d-line in FA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Fwiw this is from espn’s “let’s pretend” piece, just to throw out an idea of the value of a potential deal... Quote Carl Lawson, Edge 2020 team: Bengals | Free-agent rank: 36 Bengals' offer: Three years, $60 million ($40M guaranteed and $10M signing bonus) ... Sign with the team that you are already building with. We're on the verge of making a playoff push under second-year QB Joe Burrow, and we want you to be part of it. -- Ben Baby Browns' offer: Four years, $56 million ($20M guaranteed) ... Join a budding young core, play opposite Myles Garrett, rack up sack numbers, compete in the playoffs and contribute to a Super Bowl contender. -- Jake Trotter Vikings' offer: Four years, $63 million ($30M guaranteed, $1M bonus for 10-plus sacks in 2022 and $100,000 workout bonus every year) ... We have produced high-end pass-rushers under coach Mike Zimmer's guidance for seven seasons. You would have the opportunity to start opposite Danielle Hunter and consistently log double-digit sacks. -- Courtney Cronin The decision: Lawson picks the Bengals This is pretty straightforward. The Bengals' offer is by far the best, and I get to stay home. -- Graziano For the record, no I don’t see the Bengals giving him 20m/year. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31037927/simulating-nfl-free-agency-2021-signs-where-why-patriots-big-winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I honestly think Carl will sign for about 4 years 12M a year or so, maybe a third guaranteed I hope it is here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Williams being gone really throws a wrench into things from my point of view. New hope, 2 guards in FA, a speed WR in FA, and then pray that Sewell is there at 5. If he's not, then trade back. It's not ideal, but not sure there is anyone in FA at RT now that I want over Sewell or another top T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 The only thing apparent is ESPN has agents as it “sources” lol, $20 mil a year. Good fucking luck with that deal. They would have tagged him if that was true market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, membengal said: Williams being gone really throws a wrench into things from my point of view. New hope, 2 guards in FA, a speed WR in FA, and then pray that Sewell is there at 5. If he's not, then trade back. It's not ideal, but not sure there is anyone in FA at RT now that I want over Sewell or another top T. Reilly Reiff and Eric Fisher would both be upgrades at RT and would be good stop gaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Fisher's achilles rehab time says "no" for being answer. he won't be ready until November at the earliest. Reiff? Eh, maybe I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Rick Wagner is a short term option at ORT as well PFF Rick Wagner 77.0 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/rick-wagner/7950 PFF Riley Reiff 71.4 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/riley-reiff/7029 or trade for Havenstein 80.2 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/rob-havenstein/9490 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Several options still. See what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 The Daryl Williams deal should be sending red flags to all non QB FAs. Fewer years , lower average, and less guaranteed than projections...signed a deal days before legal tampering period. Should be warning signs for pending FAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I forgot about Villanueva. He would be a good mid-tier RT pickup in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/11/2021 at 5:53 PM, TJJackson said: so my new favorite "Guard" to sign right now is Linsley. I think he'll sign for about the same money Thuney would, but give us more bang for our bucks. Gimme a 3 year deal (36M-ish) or a very front-loaded 4 year deal (45M-ish) so it looks like NFL.coms's Gil Brandt is thinking exactly like me :-) https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/3/13/22328611/nfl-free-agency-corey-linsley-bengals-green-bay-packers-news I dont know if thats a "good for you TJ" or "Gil, you've completely lost it, dude. Pack up your bags, you're gone" Sheeran seems to think Hopkins wont play as well at ORG. I recall him playing just as well. I think the overall improvement to the line will be bigger - optimal - with Linsley at OC and Hopkins at ORG. and there's no one else on the market with a freakin 90 PFF rating. The others we are looking at are in the 65-80 range. GIve me this and the trade for Havenstein and kick Hart's ass out the door and the line looks like this 1S: Williams Sua-Filo Linsley Hopkins Havenstein 2S: Adeniji Spain Hopkins r2/3 pick Fred 3S: Fred r2/3 pick Price Spain Adeniji Because I dont expect to retain Price beyond this year, I am hoping that the 2nd or 3rd round pick is a C/G like Dickerson, Humphrey, or Meinerz (the last of which can probably be had in r4) I want that player to be able to become our starting center in 2-3 years If we dont get a ORT in trade, replace "Havenstein" with a FA ORT like Reiff or Wagner If we dont get an ORT in FA, replace "Havenstein" with Sewell, Slater, or Darrisaw. Non optimal, but it is what it is a that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Wraith said: I forgot about Villanueva. He would be a good mid-tier RT pickup in FA. Villanueva was once a Bengal as best I recall.....a UDCFA https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/alejandro-villanueva/9091 He's gonna be 33 during this season, so if we do pick him up, it should be a year to year thing......and Pollack should really check him over carefully first If Pollack ok's him, I think it'll be fine as a 1 year stopgap only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 When last we saw Villanueva, Lawson was murdering him on a Monday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I am not in favor of Villanueva.....id rather have a younger tackle, for starters, but I still think he'd be better than Hart which I know isnt saying much but if its Hart or Villanueva, gimme Villanueva, from my POV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I could maybe be talked into Feiler... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 The numbers have finally been Hobsonized! Quote As the cap sits at $182.5 million, the Bengals figure to have about $20 million to spend in cap dollars after budgeting $11 million for draft picks and accounting for other items like injuries, practice squad players and incentives. You thought we had a lot of space? Nope, sorry, just a measly 20 bills after Rookie Pool, Injury Pad and Taxi Squad took their cut. Of course, they could get creative and maybe push some hits into... Quote But don't look for the Bengals to deviate from their eat-each-meal approach so they avoid structuring deals that balloon in future years. That's why they're in good shape now. Using their year-by-year model, in the last decade the Bengals count themselves in the top half of the league when it comes to cap spending as well as cash over cap. ...never mind. So Duke, what’s the plan then? Quote "We're going to see what comes our way," Tobin said. Uhhhh... Quote Hopefully we will be able to get the things done that we envision. Whether it happens or not we'll see." Confidence. I am just filled with it. Not. https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-head-into-nfl-s-new-year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 So does Liz’s vision include muzzling Hobson? It’s amazing how tone deaf that organization is. This week casual fans are going to flock in mass to the internet to check FA updates. If your a marketing person with a “vision”: 1. Have at least 1 day 1 transaction to announce 2. Have your organization leaked list of targets/offers etc. Instead they release the annual cap accounting. Then probably sit out day 1. This is why you don’t hand out executive positions to unqualified family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, HoosierCat said: The numbers have finally been Hobsonized! You thought we had a lot of space? Nope, sorry, just a measly 20 bills after Rookie Pool, Injury Pad and Taxi Squad took their cut. Of course, they could get creative and maybe push some hits into... ...never mind. So Duke, what’s the plan then? Uhhhh... Confidence. I am just filled with it. Not. https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-head-into-nfl-s-new-year Good to know that they’re staying with their tried and true method. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 One time opportunity due to Covid driving down the cap, free agents all over the place. Giant needs to surround a franchise QB. We’ll see what comes our way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 He was wrong last year. Hope he's wrong this year. Also, fuck Geoff Hobson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, AMPHAR said: This week casual fans are going to flock in mass to the internet to check FA updates. If your a marketing person with a “vision”: 1. Have at least 1 day 1 transaction to announce 2. Have your organization leaked list of targets/offers etc. Instead they release the annual cap accounting. Then probably sit out day 1. This is an under appreciated point. If you want to build excitement, sell tix and luxury boxes (which at least theoretically gives you more cash on hand to use on players...ha ha who am I kidding?), raise your ad and sponsorship rates...you know, make money...a splashy signing or two wouldn’t hurt. Instead we get the usual poor mouthing. & yup mem, hopefully Hobs is as lost this year as last. That said, Duke’s lackadaisical attitude here is infuriating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Yea which is why I’m not very excited about football at this point. Will see if they do anything exciting, that will will get me excited about the year, but as of now it’s Burrow and that’s it. Not to mention I really don’t like the coach at all, and I really dislike the fact they did nothing at all about the defense coordinator. So this maybe the very first year I don’t get some kind of a football package to watch or listen them, since like 2003. It’s just sad to always see them do the same thing every year. However if I don’t get then maybe they will actually do good lol lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 hours ago, AMPHAR said: So does Liz’s vision include muzzling Hobson? It’s amazing how tone deaf that organization is. This week casual fans are going to flock in mass to the internet to check FA updates. If your a marketing person with a “vision”: 1. Have at least 1 day 1 transaction to announce 2. Have your organization leaked list of targets/offers etc. Instead they release the annual cap accounting. Then probably sit out day 1. This is why you don’t hand out executive positions to unqualified family. It's as if he's instructed to prepare the public for disappointment every season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 so here we are, on the eve of free agency the Bengals have not even managed to re-sign their punter or kick returner, much less a starter several quality veteran OLs on the open market that they didnt need to wait til FA to sign, and not even a single visit was had, with none scheduled either Oh, but word is that they've got a visit coming from a washed up corner who didnt even play in half the games last season, who was released a month ago. Said another way, a visit could have been set up a month ago, well before the flurry of activity that is sure to commence (well, for other teams, at least) starting this week ah yes, and that franchise tag they didn't apply, allegedly because they were close with Lawson? Yeah, not a peep about any Lawson negotiations. Lawson even said earlier this past week that negotiations hadnt even started yes folks, this is our fine FO hard at work as always god bless'em I do want to watch Burrow.....but I dont want to watch a man running for his freakin life and getting body parts shredded again there are times when I hate being a Bengals fan....this is one of them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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