Offensive Line Draft Talk Thread

[Wraith]

54 minutes ago, TJJackson said:

Houshmanzadeh also says to take a lineman at 5.  He backed off of saying it had to be Sewell, as he doesnt want to fight about whether Sewell is the best OL in the draft

I love Chase and Pitts, wouldnt be unhappy with either, but would also be happy with back to back linemen at 5 and at 38

Still prefer a tradedown over all other options.....too damn many holes to fill

I really, really, really want Creed Humphrey.  Probably lost if not taken at 38, and might not even be available then.

In the mocks I have seen, Humphrey is lasting to our pick at #69

[TJJackson]

1 minute ago, COB said:

I haven’t seen bench pressing that good since Russel Bodine.  

Ouchie :-)

Bench press alone doesn't make the player, as we learned from Jeffro.....who could bench press a small car, I think

But Meinerz was the talk of the 2021 Senior Bowl, dominating much of the time....so the bench press numbers are just more confrmation of what he brings to the table

I'd love to get him in the 3rd or 4th round if we dont manage to snag Creed Humphrey

Both players can be ORG of now, and future replacement for Hopkins at OC

[redsbengalsbucks]

13 hours ago, GapControl said:

The more you watch the 2020 offensive line play, the more you’ll think that adding multiple players to that group is the way to go.  Tobin will take a trade down if he can do that.  Get a Slater or  Darrisaw.  Don’t hang up on the hype of a 15 game player.  You’ve got decent WR prospects this year too through the rounds.  Think more Darney Scott than Craig Yeast.

We need a WR1, there is no option better than Chase.  OL is the deepest class in this draft and the team has already signed Reif for next year.  Im fine going OL 2nd and 3rd, but it has to be Chase if he is there.

[redsbengalsbucks]

10 hours ago, TJJackson said:

Ouchie :-)

Bench press alone doesn't make the player, as we learned from Jeffro.....who could bench press a small car, I think

But Meinerz was the talk of the 2021 Senior Bowl, dominating much of the time....so the bench press numbers are just more confrmation of what he brings to the table

I'd love to get him in the 3rd or 4th round if we dont manage to snag Creed Humphrey

Both players can be ORG of now, and future replacement for Hopkins at OC

I think Meinerz goes in the second, if he is there at our 3rd rd selection grab him

[GapControl]

12 hours ago, COB said:

I haven’t seen bench pressing that good since Russel Bodine.  

Is this Paul Alexander ?  Go back to your piano playing and training of incoming NFL prospects Paul... oh... here’s the ketchup bottle you left last time.

[GapControl]

1 hour ago, redsbengalsbucks said:

We need a WR1, there is no option better than Chase.  OL is the deepest class in this draft and the team has already signed Reif for next year.  Im fine going OL 2nd and 3rd, but it has to be Chase if he is there.

Chase is 6 foot if that.  He won’t be as long as we are used to.  He’s not Chris Henry or AJ Green but more like Peter Warrick in height

Its my only real concern with him. 

[COB]

24 minutes ago, GapControl said:

Is this Paul Alexander ?  Go back to your piano playing and training of incoming NFL prospects Paul... oh... here’s the ketchup bottle you left last time.

Yes this is Paul.  The way you handed that ketchup bottle to me tells me all I need to know about you as a football player.  We’re drafting you in the 5th round.  Here, handle this mustard bottle so I can determine if you can help us on special teams.

[GapControl]

Sorry Coach... ketchup I can handle but mustard is where I draw the line.  I got a rep to uphold. People know me.

[Wraith]

1 hour ago, GapControl said:

Chase is 6 foot if that.  He won’t be as long as we are used to.  He’s not Chris Henry or AJ Green but more like Peter Warrick in height

Its my only real concern with him. 

Chase is 6' 0 3/8" which means he is 5/8" shorter than Chad Johnson, he also has long arms and a 41" vertical which means his catch radius is about that of AJ Green.....

https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=9213

 

 

https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=17555

[HoosierCat]

 

[membengal]

Yup. Joe putting into raw numbers what a few of us have been saying. 

[Wraith]

Interesting to see how far Wyatt Davis has fallen in this process, two months ago he was a fringe 1st rounder.  I still think he would be a great pickup in the 3rd or 4th.

I have 12 OL with a first round grade in this class, i.e. I have 12 linemen that in an average class would be a first rounder.

They are in order:

Penei Sewell

Rashawn Slater

Alijah Vera-Tucker

Christian Darrisaw

Tevan Jenkins

Landon Dickerson

Dylan Radunz

Alex Leatherwood

Sam Cosmi

Liam Eichenberg

Walker Little

and Creed Humphrey

 

On average 5-7 olinemen go in the first round and 4-6 go in the second.  If we break down this class here is the way I see it playing out

5 QB's are almost certain to go in the first round.  At a minimum 5 WRs are going to go probably more (LV betting line is 5.5).  Leaving out linemen for the moment, 1 TE will absolutely go (Kyle Pitts), I believe three LBs will go in the first round at a minimum (Michah Parsons, J.O.K., and either Nick Bolton, Jamin Davis, or Zaven Collins).  IDL I think only one will go which will be Barmore.  Edge we should have 4-5 at a minimum (at minimum Paye will go, Ojulari will go, Jaelan Phillips will go, and at least one of Ronnie Perkins, Tryon, Rousseau, Oweh or Basham with the ones that don't going high in the 2nd).  That leaves Oline and DB, historically 5-7 of each go in the first round.  In this draft I think only one safety goes (Moehrig) but Surtain, Horn, Newsome, Farley, and Samuel all go in Rd. 1.  So out of 32, 5 QB, 5 WR, 1 TE, 0 RB, 1 DL, 4 Edge, 3 LB, 1 S, and 5 CB this is 25 picks minimum which will leave 7 picks for offensive line at most.  Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw are all locks, I think Tackle gets priority over IOL so I think Jenkins is also likely a lock which is 4, I think Vera-Tucker goes as well thats 5.....then it will come down to all the fringe guys at other positions and 2 of the other tackles and/or Dickerson at most....every other linemen will drop into the second round.  I have 40 players in this draft with a first round grade so it is possible only the 5 locks go for offensive line in the first which will leave a a cornucopia of linemen available to us at #38....especially when you throw in guys like Meinerz, Carmen, Mayfield, Wyatt Davis, Trey Smith and Cleveland which I have as having second round grades and Hudson which I have as still starter quality in the 3rd.  Even if we have 7 olinemen go in the 1st and 7 olinemen go in the 2nd (which would be historic) someone really good is still going to be available to us at #69.

[HoosierCat]

Nice breakdown wraith. I agree.

[membengal]

Brandon Thorn is one of the good ones at o-line eval...

[membengal]

If you see Forsythe and are wondering...he's been flying up evaluators' boards late in the process and more familiarize themselves with his game tape.

 

[COB]

9 hours ago, GapControl said:

Sorry Coach... ketchup I can handle but mustard is where I draw the line.  I got a rep to uphold. People know me.

That’s the exact answer I was looking for.  You’re a second rounder.

[COB]

If they pick Chase, which I think is obviously where they’re headed, we miss out on that top level of talent at OT.  
 

At 38, I hope they basically let Pollack make the decision.  Dude’s been around, knows exactly  what he’s going to be asking this kid to do, and when.  I don’t trust Tobin or Zac at all with this pick.  Let Pollack talk to all the likely candidates at 38, I assume he’s seen them work out.  Has to be Pollack’s guy.

[AMPHAR]

Charles Davis thinks 6 edge players go first round.  
 

I hope that’s the case.  

[redsbengalsbucks]

23 hours ago, GapControl said:

Chase is 6 foot if that.  He won’t be as long as we are used to.  He’s not Chris Henry or AJ Green but more like Peter Warrick in height

Its my only real concern with him. 

Elite leaping ability, ball tracking, route running and agility 

A1 prospect WR 1

[redsbengalsbucks]

20 hours ago, Wraith said:

Interesting to see how far Wyatt Davis has fallen in this process, two months ago he was a fringe 1st rounder.  I still think he would be a great pickup in the 3rd or 4th.

I have 12 OL with a first round grade in this class, i.e. I have 12 linemen that in an average class would be a first rounder.

They are in order:

Penei Sewell

Rashawn Slater

Alijah Vera-Tucker

Christian Darrisaw

Tevan Jenkins

Landon Dickerson

Dylan Radunz

Alex Leatherwood

Sam Cosmi

Liam Eichenberg

Walker Little

and Creed Humphrey

 

On average 5-7 olinemen go in the first round and 4-6 go in the second.  If we break down this class here is the way I see it playing out

5 QB's are almost certain to go in the first round.  At a minimum 5 WRs are going to go probably more (LV betting line is 5.5).  Leaving out linemen for the moment, 1 TE will absolutely go (Kyle Pitts), I believe three LBs will go in the first round at a minimum (Michah Parsons, J.O.K., and either Nick Bolton, Jamin Davis, or Zaven Collins).  IDL I think only one will go which will be Barmore.  Edge we should have 4-5 at a minimum (at minimum Paye will go, Ojulari will go, Jaelan Phillips will go, and at least one of Ronnie Perkins, Tryon, Rousseau, Oweh or Basham with the ones that don't going high in the 2nd).  That leaves Oline and DB, historically 5-7 of each go in the first round.  In this draft I think only one safety goes (Moehrig) but Surtain, Horn, Newsome, Farley, and Samuel all go in Rd. 1.  So out of 32, 5 QB, 5 WR, 1 TE, 0 RB, 1 DL, 4 Edge, 3 LB, 1 S, and 5 CB this is 25 picks minimum which will leave 7 picks for offensive line at most.  Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw are all locks, I think Tackle gets priority over IOL so I think Jenkins is also likely a lock which is 4, I think Vera-Tucker goes as well thats 5.....then it will come down to all the fringe guys at other positions and 2 of the other tackles and/or Dickerson at most....every other linemen will drop into the second round.  I have 40 players in this draft with a first round grade so it is possible only the 5 locks go for offensive line in the first which will leave a a cornucopia of linemen available to us at #38....especially when you throw in guys like Meinerz, Carmen, Mayfield, Wyatt Davis, Trey Smith and Cleveland which I have as having second round grades and Hudson which I have as still starter quality in the 3rd.  Even if we have 7 olinemen go in the 1st and 7 olinemen go in the 2nd (which would be historic) someone really good is still going to be available to us at #69.

And we still get the best WR1 prospect 

[Wraith]

33 minutes ago, redsbengalsbucks said:

And we still get the best WR1 prospect 

Yes

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I'm already eye'ing what OL'men will fall to them in the 2nd.   That passing game will be elite for the next 2-3 years if they're healthy, will stretch the field and open-up running lanes  Something Burrow didn't have last year with done-for AJ.  

 

[membengal]

Mmmmmmm

 

[AMPHAR]

Most of the highlights are against AJ Terrel.  First round CB 2020. 

[AMPHAR]

Some talking head suggesting WR class not as “deep” as speculated.

More top heavy in this dude’s opinion.