COB Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Burrow looks good, I’m glad there’s a good one there when we have the first pick. (Assuming Andy’s going to come through with some of his patented crunch-time picks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 all you pro-Burrow folks - I know about his 2019 season - talk to me about his 2018 season. I mean, if we get half the production he had in 2019, I am all for the pick..........but I cant just ignore his 2018 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Well, that win dropped our odds of the top pick dramatically. Team Top Pick Top 5 Pick CIN 59.8% 97.4% NYG 23.0% 87.1% WAS 7.4% 75.3% MIA 8.5% 68.3% DET 0.4% 37.4% ATL 0.6% 37.1% ARI 0.2% 32.1% JAX 0.0% 20.1% NYJ 0.1% 16.7% DEN 0.0% 13.9% LAC 0.0% 12.3% PHI 0.0% 0.9% TB 0.0% 0.7% CAR 0.0% 0.6% https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/playoffodds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 17 hours ago, TJJackson said: all you pro-Burrow folks - I know about his 2019 season - talk to me about his 2018 season. I mean, if we get half the production he had in 2019, I am all for the pick..........but I cant just ignore his 2018 season His start to 2018 wasn't great, but he closed 2018 with a vengeance. Then they changed to a new OC this past off-season and he absolutely went nuclear this year. Also, in that offense, he's making his own calls at times - rare for a college QB: https://www.si.com/college/2019/11/26/joe-burrow-lsu-tigers-nfl Also from that article: Quote Joe arrived in Baton Rouge three months before the ’18 opener, won the job in preseason camp and then finished the year with a furious four-game stretch, completing 67% of his passes for 291.5 yards a game while throwing 10 touchdowns to one interception. The run convinced Orgeron to speed up his plan to overhaul an archaic, run-heavy offense. From the first snap of 2019, Burrow has flourished in a new shotgun-based, no-huddle spread system implemented this offseason by Joe Brady, a 30-year-old former Saints assistant. The quarterback has already shattered single-season school records for passing touchdowns (41) and yards (4,014) while throwing just six interceptions. He’s the second-most prolific passer in college football (364.9 yards per game) and the most accurate (78.6%), startling statistics for a QB who last year threw for 2,894 yards and 16 TDs while completing 57.8% of his attempts. His accuracy has been historic. Not just in completions but in completions that maximizes the chances for his receivers to get yards after catch. On the locked on podcast, Jake had a PFF guy on who said they have him 10 points better than anyone has ever been in their grading system on that score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 And more from that article: Quote Each Monday at the football facility, he is involved in a film-based exam of the next opponent, a test in which he must identify protection calls he’ll have to make. That means his Sundays are filled with film study. On Mondays and Tuesdays of game week, he meets with Joe Brady and offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger to pitch them his ideas on how to attack the next opponent. He pitches them ideas. The two coaches trust their quarterback with presnap play calls; he’ll often change receiver routes based on defensive formations. “We might see it better than they do in the box or on the sideline,” Burrow says. “If I see something and want to check a play, I go do it.” “He’s basically like a co-offensive coordinator,” Herbstreit says. “That’s the NFL model, when you have a quarterback able to invest and communicate at that level. Joe is the cutting edge of that mold. When I watch LSU, it’s not just Joe Brady’s offense—it’s Joe Brady and Joe Burrow’s offense.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I appreciate the input, Mem Like I said, if he is even half the qb in the NFL as he is at LSU, he'll be worth the pick, but...........I found some additional worries in the text you pasted "shotgun-based, no-huddle spread system" I translate this to "college-only system, doesnt take direct snaps from center" fair? Not fair? you tell me....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Not fair. The OC who put their offense in came to LSU directly from the Saints - that’s an NFL style offense he’s running whether under center 100% or not and unless you think Brees is a bad nfl predicate you are just making up things to worry about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just being cautious. I really do hope you are right about this guy, but I remain pessimistic for all of the already-stated reasons as well as his arm, which I am hearing is average at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 hours ago, TJJackson said: Just being cautious. I really do hope you are right about this guy, but I remain pessimistic for all of the already-stated reasons as well as his arm, which I am hearing is average at best Above average. Not a gun. Better than what Drew Brees has per the PFF guy I heard recently interviewed on either Dehner's podcast or locked on. Said there are ZERO concerns about arm strength with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 I do like reports of his football IQ and his work ethic. very, very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted December 7, 2019 Report Share Posted December 7, 2019 Herbert quietly putting up his best season at 31 Td's and 5 INT's, a 160 QB rating, 8+ ypa, 67% comp. Run-heavy offense, but his peripherals are really solid and consistent. Better athlete than Burrow (slightly) and more starting experience in college. I wouldn't count him out of being a top 3 pick just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 7, 2019 Report Share Posted December 7, 2019 the knock I keep hearing on Herbert is lack of consistency. It is also evident that he benefits from a strong running game. not slamming him, not at all, just saying there are some reasons to not get too infatuated with him as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 On 12/7/2019 at 4:19 PM, TJJackson said: the knock I keep hearing on Herbert is lack of consistency. It is also evident that he benefits from a strong running game. not slamming him, not at all, just saying there are some reasons to not get too infatuated with him as well I'm certainly not (infatuated with him). Just predicting that he will be in the conversation and quite possibly rated just behind Burrow. If the Bengals' miss out on that #1 pick, he may be a legit option for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Burrow, to me, is the obvious pick at QB. His skill set is the best but what separates him is his tenacity, work ethic, and IQ. He has the "it" factor. No question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Slight improvement this week. Team Top Pick Top 5 Pick CIN 62.7% 99.1% NYG 21.4% 87.0% WAS 6.9% 81.2% MIA 8.8% 73.8% ARI 0.1% 53.0% DET 0.1% 49.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, HoosierCat said: Slight improvement this week. Team Top Pick Top 5 Pick CIN 62.7% 99.1% NYG 21.4% 87.0% WAS 6.9% 81.2% MIA 8.8% 73.8% ARI 0.1% 53.0% DET 0.1% 49.1% That .9% chance they fall out of the top 5 is if they can beat the Patriots next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 a somewhat more perfect scenario is where we (at 1) convince the Giants (at pick 2, and not needing a qb) that we are perfectly happy with Dalton and are gonna take the Ohio State pass rusher instead.......unless they want to trade us pick 2 plus their 2nd this year or their r1 pick next year for overall pick 1? In such a scenario, we still take the top QB and eat our cake too. Yeah, I know.....I dont see the Bengals as being smart enough to even conceive of such a thing, much less play it out.......but boy, wouldnt that be nice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 What if???....So this is completely hypothetical... Say the Bengals have the first pick in the draft... I told you that Tua would be available at our selection in Rd. 2....(he is being mocked in the late first early second by most prognosticators) Does Chase Young and Tua look better than Joe Burrow/Random RT prospect? (Let's stay with Jedrick Willis) Of course there are no guarantees that Tua drops out of the first round and as a result this is purely fantasy because we will be taking Burrow if we get the first pick. Just looking for opinions here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 8:21 PM, cincyhokie said: Burrow, to me, is the obvious pick at QB. His skill set is the best but what separates him is his tenacity, work ethic, and IQ. He has the "it" factor. No question. On top of that he is an Ohio Kid (from Athens) so he could be the local hero taking the deadbeat franchise and rising to glory....the stuff movies are made from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, Wraith said: What if???....So this is completely hypothetical... Say the Bengals have the first pick in the draft... I told you that Tua would be available at our selection in Rd. 2....(he is being mocked in the late first early second by most prognosticators) Does Chase Young and Tua look better than Joe Burrow/Random RT prospect? (Let's stay with Jedrick Willis) Of course there are no guarantees that Tua drops out of the first round and as a result this is purely fantasy because we will be taking Burrow if we get the first pick. Just looking for opinions here. If I have the first overall pick AND a crystal ball that tells me Tua will be there for us in the second AND I’m not taking Burrow...then my inclination is to trade the pick. This team has a ton of issues and the FO sure isn’t going to pay to fix them in FA so see if you can get an extra few picks this year and some 2021/22 selections as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Word out of PBS is that teams are inquiring about such a trade, but all phone calls are being ignored because for the last 17 days Mike has been on the phone trying to cancel his DIRECTV subscription. He’s still working on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 ...and that means he missed his appointment for the 10 bucks off lube special on the Lumina. There will be hell to pay COB: does Rivera do vehicle maintenance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Odds getting better... Team Top Pick Top 5 Pick CIN 72.5% 100.0% MIA 10.5% 97.1% WAS 8.6% 93.8% NYG 8.4% 92.1% DET 0.0% 86.1% ARI 0.0% 20.1% JAX 0.0% 4.6% NYJ 0.0% 4.1% DEN 0.0% 0.7% LAC 0.0% 0.7% CAR 0.0% 0.7% ATL 0.0% 0.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Here's another reason to make sure we pick #1 ahead of Miami: Quote Paul Dehner Jr. @pauldehnerjr · 30m If #Bengals are worst AFC team, they will be coaching in the Senior Bowl. Nice advantage, especially when you consider some of the QBs that could be involved. Not only do we potentially lose Burrow if we let Miami ahead of us by winning our last two, but we also lose out on having our coaches (who are the team scouts of course) working with the senior prospects in the Senior Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 I'm still not that concerned about losing No. 1 overall and Burrow. Burrow's emergence has just made a loaded top 5 even stronger. With the understanding players still must declare and go through all the pro days etc. with the way things stand now at minimum there are at least 2 non-QB prospects that are AJ Green type graded prospects. Which means they have been Football All-Stars for a very long time AND they have validated that level of play every step of the way. That's Chase Young and Jerry Juedy. I would not be dissatisfied with either of those 2. The case for Burrow is pretty strong. His accuracy is very impressive. In my mind that's 3 A+ draft picks before anything really gets started. Then IF Tua gets positive health news. Herbert impresses and the grand daddy of them all will be Jacob Eason declaring. Eason is like Chase Young and Juedy but light on proving it. He was the No. 1 college recruit of any position. Signed and played with Georgia. Got injured, transferred and now has reemerged. IF he comes out his arm talent will amaze scouts and according to some already out played Herbert head to head. Eason could stay and give Trevor Lawrence a run for No. 1 overall next year though. It's a good year to be in the top 5 again. It's very similar to the year they took Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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