Carson Palmer Thread

[HoosierCat]

What worries me the most is that the Bengals are going to wait to long to hear from Carson, and they will have no plan at all. Call Carson now and find out if he still wants out, or if he will listen to what Gruden has to say. If he dosnt then, its time to move on. Call people trade Carson get him out of town, if he dosnt want to be here. Then its time to find the next QB! The bengals can not let one player decide there team, its time to move on.

Well, I was lurking over on the bengals.com boards during lunch and again FWIW they have a couple of alleged insiders who appear to have at least some shreds of credibility who say that the FO and Carson, or at least the FO and his agent, have talked and nothing has changed. Palmer is apparently dead set on calling it a career if he isn't dealt. Brown is reportedly at least considering it now. And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

There are also rumors from the same sources that Gruden scouted LeFevour last year and is high on him, and that Dan Snyder is sniffing around Chad again.

As always, believe at your own risk.

[Kazkal]

What worries me the most is that the Bengals are going to wait to long to hear from Carson, and they will have no plan at all. Call Carson now and find out if he still wants out, or if he will listen to what Gruden has to say. If he dosnt then, its time to move on. Call people trade Carson get him out of town, if he dosnt want to be here. Then its time to find the next QB! The bengals can not let one player decide there team, its time to move on.

-Doubt they just sit on it,if Carson is still dead set on retiring come draft day/Free agency(when ever it may be)I think they would just draft a QB(I'm not saying at 4# but just taking one) then tell carson if they give him a year to develop the young guy they'll trade him ala boomer..

Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

As always, believe at your own risk.

-God I don't want Orton

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[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Dan Snyder is sniffing around Chad again.

Is it Christmas, Daddy?

[Kazkal]

Dan Snyder is sniffing around Chad again.

Is it Christmas, Daddy?

Dan Snyder offers his first round pick and a chance at another first round pick in 2012 if chad has a probowl like season.

Mike Brown:Turns it down because Chad is a Bengal

Redskin fans:Have a easy night sleep dodging another Dan Synder blonder

Bengal Fans:All Facepalm at once creating such a force that it ends the world...

[HairOnFire]

Well, I was lurking over on the bengals.com boards during lunch and again FWIW they have a couple of alleged insiders who appear to have at least some shreds of credibility who say that the FO and Carson, or at least the FO and his agent, have talked and nothing has changed. Palmer is apparently dead set on calling it a career if he isn't dealt. Brown is reportedly at least considering it now.

If Carson Palmer is willing to retire now rather than fight for his career then he isn't the player I think he is. So I say he's bluffing. That said, I welcome the news/rumor that Mike Brown is considering a trade...if for no other reason than my belief that you simply can't build around a core player who hasn't fully bought in.

And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

If nothing else Carson Palmer's threat to retire might be enough to end his brother Jordan's NFL career.

There are also rumors from the same sources that Gruden scouted LeFevour last year and is high on him, and that Dan Snyder is sniffing around Chad again.

Loved the Redskin rumor pegging Chad's trade value at a 2nd and a 5th...closely matching my own guess.

[COB]

What worries me the most is that the Bengals are going to wait to long to hear from Carson, and they will have no plan at all. Call Carson now and find out if he still wants out, or if he will listen to what Gruden has to say. If he dosnt then, its time to move on. Call people trade Carson get him out of town, if he dosnt want to be here. Then its time to find the next QB! The bengals can not let one player decide there team, its time to move on.

Well, I was lurking over on the bengals.com boards during lunch and again FWIW they have a couple of alleged insiders who appear to have at least some shreds of credibility who say that the FO and Carson, or at least the FO and his agent, have talked and nothing has changed. Palmer is apparently dead set on calling it a career if he isn't dealt. Brown is reportedly at least considering it now. And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

There are also rumors from the same sources that Gruden scouted LeFevour last year and is high on him, and that Dan Snyder is sniffing around Chad again.

As always, believe at your own risk.

I want to believe it. I want to believe Mike is coming to his senses and will look it as a business decision, not a battle of wills.

Instead, if this is being considered, I'll just assume Pumpkin is finally asserting herself.

[jjakq27]

And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

If nothing else Carson Palmer's threat to retire might be enough to end his brother Jordan's NFL career.

This sounds like a Catch-22 for Carson. One move and your brother gets it!

[BengalszoneBilly]

And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

If nothing else Carson Palmer's threat to retire might be enough to end his brother Jordan's NFL career.

This sounds like a Catch-22 for Carson. One move and your brother gets it!

Gets what? Released as an FA, or the job his brother just vacated?

[Kazkal]

And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

If nothing else Carson Palmer's threat to retire might be enough to end his brother Jordan's NFL career.

This sounds like a Catch-22 for Carson. One move and your brother gets it!

Hey jordan could look at the bright side maybe Carson would throw him a bone since he got him cut though he probably wouldn't have had that job if it wasn't for his brother.

Ohwell theres always runpee

[BengalszoneBilly]

Ohwell theres always runpee

Sounds like a site for prostate problems.

[jjakq27]

And supposedly the Bengals have reached out to Denver to ask what their price for Orton is.

If nothing else Carson Palmer's threat to retire might be enough to end his brother Jordan's NFL career.

This sounds like a Catch-22 for Carson. One move and your brother gets it!

Gets what? Released as an FA, or the job his brother just vacated?

As soon as Carson is gone from here, Jordan's NFL career is probably over.

The other interesting angle is if Jordan gets cut even if Carson returns for this season. If LeFevour has any future and the team gets another QB, I can't see them being able to hold the spot for brother J regardless of the circumstances with Carson.

[derekshank]

I don't think Palmer is bluffing. I think he means what he says. However, I think it's a very easy thing to say (and mean) and a quite difficult thing to follow through on.

There are an endless number of guys who couldn't stay retired when they knew they still had good years left. There are countless others who have threatened retirement only to backpeddal on such statements once the offseason comes to an end.

After a 4-12 season when you were getting your ass beat on a weekly basis, it's a natural response to say "I don't want to do that anymore." But in a couple months, when the bumps and bruises have healed and the sting of defeat has numbed... hope of victory reemerges. That's when it's hard to hang up the cleats and just watch on TV like the rest of us.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Passepartout]

Well hopefully Carson will reconsider and stay. As he has been there for such a long time. Hopefully he can and will reconsider.

[BengalByTheBay]

For what very little it's worth, here's my take. Once a player starts publicly demanding a trade, I always start to feel negatively toward the player. Yeah, I understand all the Brown bashing and that it's based largely in fact. Yeah, I get that losing is hard to take by players who are used to, and expect to, win. That said, Pickens, TKO, Dillon, Chad - all of them - really crossed a point-of-no-return to me when they went public. I just think you gotta play out the hand that's dealt to you when you sign that contract. Now, when I hear that the reasons for Palmer going public range from wanting to live closer to his off-season home (confirmed by him) to wanting a better Christmas party (entirely unconfirmed) I really lose sympathy for the player. This is one of the highest paid players in the league and he personally is treated as well as just about any franchise player. The last few years he's essentially been living off his reputation because his play has been less than Pro Bowl level. So, if the reasons given so far have any real bearing on what's going on in Palmer's head, he's turned into a real whiny b***h as far as I'm concerned. Although Chad was way more vocal and bizarre about it, Palmer is pretty much doing the same thing now. As a result, regardless of whether fences can be mended or not, I find myself believing that it's better to move on without him. All of this is the more difficult because Palmer always seemed like an even-keel guy to me and this appears out of character. Unfortunately, I fear I was always wrong and he's really just a spoiled OC jock who's never really had much more ambition than to get through a mediocre career and go play golf. All emotion aside, I think HOF has it right - if he doesn't want to be here, best to get what they can and move on now.

[volcom69]

For what very little it's worth, here's my take. Once a player starts publicly demanding a trade, I always start to feel negatively toward the player. Yeah, I understand all the Brown bashing and that it's based largely in fact. Yeah, I get that losing is hard to take by players who are used to, and expect to, win. That said, Pickens, TKO, Dillon, Chad - all of them - really crossed a point-of-no-return to me when they went public. I just think you gotta play out the hand that's dealt to you when you sign that contract. Now, when I hear that the reasons for Palmer going public range from wanting to live closer to his off-season home (confirmed by him) to wanting a better Christmas party (entirely unconfirmed) I really lose sympathy for the player. This is one of the highest paid players in the league and he personally is treated as well as just about any franchise player. The last few years he's essentially been living off his reputation because his play has been less than Pro Bowl level. So, if the reasons given so far have any real bearing on what's going on in Palmer's head, he's turned into a real whiny b***h as far as I'm concerned. Although Chad was way more vocal and bizarre about it, Palmer is pretty much doing the same thing now. As a result, regardless of whether fences can be mended or not, I find myself believing that it's better to move on without him. All of this is the more difficult because Palmer always seemed like an even-keel guy to me and this appears out of character. Unfortunately, I fear I was always wrong and he's really just a spoiled OC jock who's never really had much more ambition than to get through a mediocre career and go play golf. All emotion aside, I think HOF has it right - if he doesn't want to be here, best to get what they can and move on now.

Exactly he signed a contract, nobody asked him to sign it he wanted it. He knew back they how Mike runs his company, he knew how Chad was, he knew how Marvin coached, but he still signed it. He cant say he never got anything from this team, he got a ton of money, he got players that he asked for, he even got to put his imput on things. Mike Brown bent over backwards for him, to make him happy, whether people want to believe it or not, Mike Brown tried to make Carson happy here. For reasons unknown, maybe coaching, maybe guys not giving it there all it didnt work out. At some point Carson has to look in the mirror and realize he was apart of this team, and at time was a part of the problem!!

I just hope the Bengals are smart and the rumors are true, because they cant wait for forever on 1 guy. If he says no tomorrow, thats it time to move on and get what you can for Palmer. The more draft picks they can get for him the better off in the future they will be. Time to build for the future, they already have a bunch of good young talent, keep adding it through the draft. Thats how all the good teams do, time for the Bengals to follow that direction.

[HoosierCat]

If Carson Palmer is willing to retire now rather than fight for his career then he isn't the player I think he is. So I say he's bluffing.

Not if he's going to pull a Favre, and I think that's what he's planning.

[COB]

The Bengals might point out to Carson that they would have had more money for the Christmas party if they hadn't been employing his little brother in a job that the other 31 teams didn't believe he was qualified for.

[jjakq27]

If Carson Palmer is willing to retire now rather than fight for his career then he isn't the player I think he is. So I say he's bluffing.

Not if he's going to pull a Favre, and I think that's what he's planning.

I can't remember for sure but would he have to sit out an entire year in order to be free from his contract or does the team still retain his rights regardless?

[TJJackson]

The Bengals might point out to Carson that they would have had more money for the Christmas party if they hadn't been employing his little brother in a job that the other 31 teams didn't believe he was qualified for.

I get the funny, but of course they tend to retain 3 QBS regardless and Jordan doesn't make as much as most backup QB's, so the opposite argument could be made that he in fact saves them money over the alternative

[TJJackson]

I can't remember for sure but would he have to sit out an entire year in order to be free from his contract or does the team still retain his rights regardless?

I am all but certain that the only way he can free himself is by sitting out the entire length of his contract.

Here's my understanding: The Bengals could put him on a 'reserve - did not report" list for the duration of his contract to retain his rights. And if the remaining money is all salary, it'd cost them nothing. Not sure of the handling of roster bonuses if any in such a circumstance.

[HoosierCat]

If Carson Palmer is willing to retire now rather than fight for his career then he isn't the player I think he is. So I say he's bluffing.

Not if he's going to pull a Favre, and I think that's what he's planning.

I can't remember for sure but would he have to sit out an entire year in order to be free from his contract or does the team still retain his rights regardless?

If Carson retires then his contract is "tolled." If he were ever to come back the contract would reactivate with the same number of years and same money remaining as when he retired. He would still be a Bengal, but the team would have to clear sufficient cap space to keep him. Otherwise they would be forced to let him go.

[jjakq27]

I can't remember for sure but would he have to sit out an entire year in order to be free from his contract or does the team still retain his rights regardless?

I am all but certain that the only way he can free himself is by sitting out the entire length of his contract.

Here's my understanding: The Bengals could put him on a 'reserve - did not report" list for the duration of his contract to retain his rights. And if the remaining money is all salary, it'd cost them nothing. Not sure of the handling of roster bonuses if any in such a circumstance.

That makes sense.

I wonder what the rules and limiations are for a player that officially files for retirement, follows through with it and then wants to return. I don't think Favre ever filed the paperwork even though he requested it from the league a couple of times. If Carson were to retire, I assume the team would still retain his rights should he decide to come back.

[Sea Ray]

Here's my understanding: The Bengals could put him on a 'reserve - did not report" list for the duration of his contract to retain his rights. And if the remaining money is all salary, it'd cost them nothing. Not sure of the handling of roster bonuses if any in such a circumstance.

From what I've read, his salary does not involve bonuses at this point. That also means he doesn't have to repay any of the bonuses he's already received

[Kazkal]

The Bengals might point out to Carson that they would have had more money for the Christmas party if they hadn't been employing his little brother in a job that the other 31 teams didn't believe he was qualified for.

Not true they would have been employing JT for vet Minium.

[HoosierCat]

I wonder what the rules and limiations are for a player that officially files for retirement, follows through with it and then wants to return. I don't think Favre ever filed the paperwork even though he requested it from the league a couple of times.

Yeah, he filed the paperwork back in '09. It doesn't mean a thing.

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