Stripes Posted Sunday at 04:47 PM Report Posted Sunday at 04:47 PM They've dramatically overestimated their ability to draft (probably as a product of a moderate Tobin hot streak during the Dalton era). So, they've let good players walk and assumed they could draft cheaper replacements effectively, and it has detonated in their faces repeatedly (Whitworth, Bates, and Reader at minimum). So this time they cut the shit and tried something else. They can't do that every year, but this draft kind of sucks so I'm in. 1 Quote
Stripes Posted Sunday at 05:17 PM Report Posted Sunday at 05:17 PM I would have liked four years for an investment this huge, but the annual average is certainly agreeable. I'm sure we'll have some excruciating drama two years from now, but that's a two years from now problem. Quote
Prophecy Posted Sunday at 05:20 PM Report Posted Sunday at 05:20 PM Lawrence is better than anyone they would have drafted at 10. Really like it. My question is, how much do the Bengals have to eat, to cut Johnathan Allen now? Don't need him. Quote
Stripes Posted Sunday at 05:30 PM Report Posted Sunday at 05:30 PM Allen is definitely expensive for rotational depth, but that DT depth chart is juicy. Lawrence - Slaton Hill - Allen Jenkins Gotta be the most expensive IDL in Bengals history (obviously in raw dollars, but probably also percentage of the cap). However, if we remember the last two successful iterations of the Bengals, they relied heavily on strong IDL rotations anchored by Atkins/Peko or Reader/Hill. 2 Quote
HoosierCat Posted Sunday at 05:35 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 05:35 PM If they cut anyone at DT it will probably Slaton. Would save $6-7 million vs the cap. Allen got $7.5 million guaranteed. If they cut him, still stuck with $7.5 million in dead cap. No real point. 1 Quote
Prophecy Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM Report Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM 3 minutes ago, Stripes said: Allen is definitely expensive for rotational depth, but that DT depth chart is juicy. Lawrence - Slaton Hill - Allen Jenkins Gotta be the most expensive IDL in Bengals history (obviously in raw dollars, but probably also percentage of the cap). However, if we remember the last two successful iterations of the Bengals, they relied heavily on strong IDL rotations anchored by Atkins/Peko or Reader/Hill. Agreed. This also HUGELY helps LB's Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight. 1 Quote
glasgowbengal Posted Sunday at 05:41 PM Report Posted Sunday at 05:41 PM This is the era of bold front office moves - see Rams, Eagles, Chiefs, etc. Join in or get left behind Quote
COB Posted Sunday at 06:56 PM Report Posted Sunday at 06:56 PM They added one year to his deal? And kept his original money for the first two years? This seems almost too good to be true. We paid 28mm for his third year and didn’t have to give him a raise over what he was making. It’s a huge win for this FO. I’m hard on them because they truly are idiots, but I’ll give them credit on this one. 1 1 Quote
HoosierCat Posted Sunday at 07:12 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 07:12 PM 12 minutes ago, COB said: They added one year to his deal? And kept his original money for the first two years? This seems almost too good to be true. We paid 28mm for his third year and didn’t have to give him a raise over what he was making. It’s a huge win for this FO. I’m hard on them because they truly are idiots, but I’ll give them credit on this one. I would bet it’s the main reason the trade happened. If Lawrence had insisted on a big new deal, say 4 years, $120 million, he’d still be a Giant. But the $28 million is just giving him the money they would have given 10, which was already factored into the budget anyhow. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted Sunday at 10:40 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:40 PM Everyone talking shit about how we gave up #10 and allowed the Giants to have two top 10 picks in the draft. just to show how nothing is guaranteed and how short memories are, the Giants have had two top 10 picks in the recent past and neither of them did shit. They had #5 they picked DE Kayvon Thibodeaux and OT Evan Neal. While both are still with the team, clearly there is nothing set I stone in having picks. Seeing as how the Bengals have sucked at drafting recently, I will smile and say thank you for the best Nose Tackle in the league. Bring on pick #41 !!! 2 Quote
HoosierCat Posted Sunday at 10:44 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 10:44 PM OTC: Dexter Lawrence signed a one year contract extension with the Cincinnati Bengals after the trade from the New York Giants. The contract includes a $10 million roster bonus, and a $8.125 million option in 2027. Lawrence can earn up to $1.0 million each year, through per game active bonuses. Initial details courtesy of PFT. cap hit/dead cap: 2026: 15m/10m 2027: 24/7 (w/option 15) 2028: 30/3 https://overthecap.com/player/dexter-lawrence/7808 Hard to ask for a better deal, team-wise. Quote
volcom69 Posted Monday at 12:06 AM Report Posted Monday at 12:06 AM 1 hour ago, ArmyBengal said: Everyone talking shit about how we gave up #10 and allowed the Giants to have two top 10 picks in the draft. just to show how nothing is guaranteed and how short memories are, the Giants have had two top 10 picks in the recent past and neither of them did shit. They had #5 they picked DE Kayvon Thibodeaux and OT Evan Neal. While both are still with the team, clearly there is nothing set I stone in having picks. Seeing as how the Bengals have sucked at drafting recently, I will smile and say thank you for the best Nose Tackle in the league. Bring on pick #41 !!! Yea it’s funny how everyone is talking shit about this, how could they give up the number 10 for 28/29 year old DT, he is not even that great anymore. However I guarantee you if this was the Eagles making this move it would be the greatest thing ever. Some shit just amazes me anymore reading what dumbasses say on the internet. Stupid! Quote
COB Posted Monday at 01:30 AM Report Posted Monday at 01:30 AM So essentially we are getting Dexter Lawrence for what we would have paid our draft pick? We drafted Dexter Lawrence? 1 Quote
Stripes Posted Monday at 02:15 AM Report Posted Monday at 02:15 AM It appears to be a little more than year 1 of #10 would have cost, but comparable. Years 2 and 3 will certainly be a lot more than a draft pick. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted Monday at 02:53 AM Report Posted Monday at 02:53 AM Maxx Crosby = two 1st round picks Dexter Lawrence = one 1st round pick Pretty good deal on the one year extension as well. Color me pleased. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted Monday at 04:00 AM Report Posted Monday at 04:00 AM The Bengals weren’t getting this in the draft. Good watch… Quote
HoosierCat Posted Monday at 10:30 AM Author Report Posted Monday at 10:30 AM 8 hours ago, Stripes said: It appears to be a little more than year 1 of #10 would have cost, but comparable. Years 2 and 3 will certainly be a lot more than a draft pick. I doubt he sees year 3 of the deal. He’ll either be extended or released. Hopefully the former. Quote
HoosierCat Posted Monday at 10:36 AM Author Report Posted Monday at 10:36 AM 10 hours ago, volcom69 said: Yea it’s funny how everyone is talking shit about this, how could they give up the number 10 for 28/29 year old DT, he is not even that great anymore. However I guarantee you if this was the Eagles making this move it would be the greatest thing ever. Some shit just amazes me anymore reading what dumbasses say on the internet. Stupid! I don’t know what you’ve been reading/watching but most of the reactions I’ve seen have been positive, and the ones that did dump on the Bengals assumed Lawrence was going to get a massive new deal, which he didn’t. Some of the better stuff has been reactions from Giants fans, who seem to believe it was a good deal for both sides. The weirdest thing I’ve seen is the accusation that Lawrence is a wildly out of shape blob of fat, which, y’know, you can look at the pics and video from yesterday and see is not the case. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted Monday at 12:02 PM Report Posted Monday at 12:02 PM Yeah, it's been mostly praise for the Bengals move regarding Lawrence and I do not disagree with most of those takes. The stuff I've seen is mostly like the Bengals let the Giants control the top of the draft, but I didn't take it as a slight, just an amusing take especially since the Giants have been in this position before and fucked it up entirely. That being said, I think they will have better luck this time around when considering the top 10-15 talent. However, the same thing was said about Thibodeaux and Neal. There is no sure thing when it comes to the draft. I like the analogy of it being a lottery ticket. The Giants traded Lawrence for another shot at the lottery. The Bengals got a proven commodity whose talent isn't going to be found in the draft. I loved his interview with Hoard by the way. Instant leader for a defense that seemingly had none. I liked how he mentioned the young linebackers and helping them as well. 1 Quote
COB Posted Monday at 03:24 PM Report Posted Monday at 03:24 PM The FA additions and this trade have upgraded the defense to a level that has me actually enthusiastic for the season. As shocked as I was last year when they did absolutely nothing to upgrade our league-worst defense, I’m equally shocked this year by what they’ve done. Kind of the opposite of the nothing from the prior year. Golden has to be thrilled. Our edge rushers have to be thrilled. Looking forward to contending in the AFC North and beating the Steelers twice! Quote
ArmyBengal Posted Monday at 05:02 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:02 PM (edited) Regardless of how the Bengals got here, the start of the offseason was what it was. They knew they had to do something to fix what was GLARINGLY a problem. The addition of Dexter makes me more excited about bringing in Mafe. Makes me more excited about Shemar having more opportunities. Makes me more excited about both the pass rush and run defense. An aspect I don't think gets mentioned is not only his leadership, but his attitude and his approach. His whole persona and approach are going to be infectious for the other players. What did Trey bring these past couple seasons? Fucking drama and a cloud hanging over the team. Dexter in the press conference.... "You can't lose that attitude of, choking somebody out and burying them." People have been asking for a bullying mentality and identity. Well here it is. I'm with COB, I'm actually excited about this defense and this season now. Edited Monday at 05:02 PM by ArmyBengal 1 Quote
COB Posted Monday at 05:08 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:08 PM 4 minutes ago, ArmyBengal said: What did Trey bring these past couple seasons? Fucking drama and a cloud hanging over the team. Trey is a me first guy. Not a leader in any way, we really hung on to him a couple years too long. Quote
HoosierCat Posted Monday at 05:30 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 05:30 PM I’m not gonna lie, I would have loved seeing Trey and Dexter together. You have to double team Lawrence and you have to double Trey, and oh btw BJ Hill is like the third most-doubled DT. Put ‘em all out there and even Myles Murphy would have a decent shot at a sack. Well, hopefully Mafe pans out, we’ll see. 1 Quote
HoosierCat Posted Monday at 05:41 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 05:41 PM Uh-oh. Looks like Jerruh is big mad Mike is getting all the headlines. Quick, make a splash! So he signed his kicker to a new record deal, 4 years, $28 million, $20 million guaranteed. https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-kicker-brandon-aubrey-agrees-to-record-setting-four-year-28-million-extension Quote
ArmyBengal Posted Monday at 05:46 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:46 PM Mike Brown getting all the headlines for something positive is next level crazy. As a Bengals fan, I'm inclined to go buy a bundle of lottery tickets of my own. The odds are better in hitting a winner than seeing something like that again. 1 1 Quote
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