Washington @ Bengals (London) Game Thread

[AMPHAR]

Yeah sucks when you tie on a neutral field that should have been a home game. 

[ArmyBengal]

But wait, there was a big "B" in the middle of the field...
I mean the league made it feel just like being at home.

 

Only different....

[HoosierCat]

On the earlier subject of declining interest in the NFL, a good piece here.

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The NFL is becoming more disturbing than appealing, and TV viewers are tuning out

By Sally Jenkins Columnist October 31 at 3:25 PM 

The NFL’s firm grip on the psyche is based in the fact that it’s the most real, live event on live television. Every game is a character-driven story and a high-speed chase in which the action and the stakes of a collision are genuine. But lately the NFL has seemed formulaic and lacking in a certain kind of authenticity. It’s no great mystery as to why the NFL’s ratings have been dropping: Viewers don’t especially like the stories they’re watching.

The numbers are striking. Through seven weeks, ratings were off for every prime-time incarnation of the NFL: “Sunday Night Football” by 19 percent, “Monday Night Football” by 24 percent and the dreaded Thursday night game by 18 percent. A variety of factors may be contributing to this dive, from the election to so-called “fragmentation” of mass media. But none of the explanations make as much sense as the simplest one: The NFL has put less appealing and more disturbing action on the screen, and viewers are turning it off.

Historian Michael Oriard has observed that the great attraction of the league is that it’s “the true reality TV,” in its most vital form. But the NFL is beginning to seem over-managed and over-staged. Constant commercials and interruptions by refs waving their arms do not produce “appointment viewing;” rather, they produce punts, ties and stasis. Look at the standings: A cluster of 18 teams, indistinguishable save for the colors of their shirts, are at .500 or worse and five more at 4-3. In other words, 23 teams are not must-see-TV to anyone but their most fervent fans. The constant advertisements and hail of yellow flags from overly officious officials make a PBS series seem fast-moving, with a clearer story line.

When rookie quarterback Dak Prescott led the Dallas Cowboys over the Philadelphia Eagles with his touchdown pass to Jason Witten in overtime late Sunday night, it was clear how much animation the league has been missing. But even that terrific game, which had high divisional stakes and featured a bright new star, was crushed in the ratings by Game 5 of the World Series between the Chicago Cubs and Cleveland Indians. It’s the first time since 2011 that a World Series game beat “Sunday Night Football.”

Obviously, viewers are not finding the NFL as meaningful and important as they have in other seasons. Games on Sunday, Monday and Thursday, plus a handful of overseas trips for novelty games in London, have numbed the viewer. Only a handful of contests this past weekend felt like difference-makers, and those were disrupted by flags. One was between the New England Patriots and the Buffalo Bills, which was marred by five penalties in the first 10 minutes. When the Pats led 38-17 in the third quarter, where was the viewer to go? To Jets-Browns? Lions-Texans? Raiders-Buccaneers was close, but that meant suffering through a league-record 23 penalties against the Raiders for 200 yards.

Perhaps the most knowledgeable and acute observer of the NFL is Oriard, a former player for the Kansas City Chiefs turned author whose highly regarded cultural history of the league, “Brand NFL,” is essential reading. Oriard observed, “The job is to market the game, without letting marketing get in the way of the game.” The league has let marketing get in the way of the game, and one expression of that is coming from the officials.

The NFL’s overemphasis on “brand” and “shield” has meant increasingly petty attention to discipline and uniformity, which is sucking away dynamism and rendering it joyless. The league is picking apart its own product with stoppages, until it’s hard for the viewer to separate the major from the minor offense: According to NFLpenalties.com, officials have thrown 1,996 yellow flags, every one of which means a halt. An analyst at The Big Lead ran a database check of profootballreference.com and discovered that offensive holding penalties have increased by fully 43 percent since 2011, and defensive pass interference is up by 45 percent over the same period. Now throw in the new emphasis on curbing celebrations with unsportsmanlike conduct flags. No wonder there are so many cutaways to commercials or to suits in the owner’s box.

“The rhythms and pace of the game are changed,” Oriard said. “There’s a lot less dramatic excitement — and you can’t overstate how much I don’t care if Jerry Jones is enjoying the game.”

The NFL ratings malaise is being puzzled over by everyone from media executives to stock analysts, who offer a variety of speculative causes. Everything from fantasy football to Twitter live-streaming to the shorter attention spans and habits of millennials has been cited. But none of these entirely add up. Other sports aren’t suffering precipitous drops; NBA and Major League Baseball ratings have strengthened over the past year.

In looking for a difference, it’s hard to dismiss the coexisting facts that the NFL has ruined the flow of its on-field stories while experiencing a spate of deeply negative stories off the field — most of them self-inflicted and perpetuated, from the Deflategate four-game suspension of Tom Brady, to the spousal abuse case of place kicker Josh Brown. Donald Trump has blamed Colin Kaepernick for dissing the national anthem for the fall in ratings. If that’s a factor, then undoubtedly so are narratives involving concussions and domestic violence.

 

[COB]

So Sally Jenkins blames too many penalties and too many cases of off-field discipline.  I don't agree with that narrative, but one thing she wrote hit home - the broadcasts repeatedly show certain owners.  Snyder, Jones, Khan, probably ten or so more.  They really aren't part of the game or part of the story.  They all want the attention, and it is likely one of the reasons they bought an NFL franchise.  

The networks also need to seriously rethink their pre-game, halftime, and post-game programming.  Trying to watch crusty old dudes who played 5 years ago, 10 years ago, some 30 years ago?  I honestly can't imagine what lengths they would have to go to for me to find anything they have to say the least bit interesting.  As it is, you could turn on a broadcast Sunday and it wouldn't be much different from one aired 20 years ago.  Guys in suits sitting around a large semi-circular desk taking turns pontificating about the story of the day or week.  Boring as hell.  They need to scrap the whole model and reinvent the pregame show.  Maybe show highlights of the two teams coming on.  If you spent 45 minutes showing highlights from one team, then another, and explaining what they are good at, what they are challenged with, and what strategy might be employed that day, I'd likely watch that.  

[HoosierCat]

Just realized I forgot the last 3 grafs:

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The NFL always has been a form of “sanctioned” violence and the “most excessive of our sports,” according to Oriard. That creates some delicate balance problems for the league: It has to justify itself morally as a sport of values, otherwise it’s just a slasher film. How to sell and regulate the game without losing the jacked-up energy is one problem. How to protect players’ health is another. And how to keep the loyalty of viewers despite the tug of conscience when a man is carried off the field on a board, or violence spills over to league wives, is yet another.

For almost a century the NFL has positioned itself as a culturally important exercise, and the audience has agreed on that importance. The league insists that its brand of controlled violence is important in the shaping of strong young bodies, important in the self-making of men and important in expressing something vitally American. But lately the league seems more concerned with brand than with justifying its philosophy or grappling with a new reality.

“I pose this as a question,” Oriard said. “We’ve gone through 100 years of knowing football is violent, and the consequences of violence were always deemed to be acceptable, the benefits outweighed the cost. But that ended with Mike Webster’s brain. Are we watching with a greater sense of the danger? Can we still fully give ourselves over to the experience of watching, and of saying, ‘Wow, look at what these bodies can endure, what they do to each other’? Are we seeing a temporary blip in ratings or a kind of resetting of the NFL’s cultural power?”

For me, this was the part that resonated the most. This is a league that built itself on "you got jacked up" and now no one can jack anyone up anymore. In today's NFL Steve Atwater would be right next to Burfict on the suspension list. And that's all good because, you know, players don't end up as vegetables at 40 and all that...but football as it was known for the last four decades of the last century doesn't exist anymore as a result. And absent the brutal violence, it's just not as compelling. I'm sure it says something horrible about me that I miss watching guys try (and occasionally succeed) to cripple one another, but I do. I'm not advocating they bring it back, but there's no denying it's not the same.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Bring back the Gladiators!

[cincyhokie]

The NFL has become a bloated, fat, caricature of itself.  Draft talk in November?  Constant year round coverage over anything and everything.  Ratings and money grab. Side stories and drama.  

The law of diminishing returns is a real thing.  

The companies and organizations that thrive in any sector are the ones that adapt on the fly and recognize trends both downward and upward.  

The economy is shifting to a values based economy.  Because of this people are valuing substance over quantity in almost everything.  The NFL is no different.  People want realness.  Not more content, storylines, or drama.  They want the football they have known and love.  Not this watered down crap we're seeing.

[AMPHAR]

23 hours ago, HoosierCat said:

On the earlier subject of declining interest in the NFL, a good piece here.

 

Pretty good write up.    The main detractors as I see

1. Only game I feel I need to watch in real time is my favorite team.   Any other game I can get the results and watch the important parts through various replays/highlights.

2. Flow of the game and story of the game is a disaster for the NFL.   IF you watch the big College Football broadcast they are much much better.    NFL productions have become too much WWE.   Looking for the bad guy doing bad things and the incompetent ref missing the chair in the ring. 

3. Goodell's behavior policies don't work and actually created more interest into the bad behavior because he linked the punishments to the results of the game by taking players off the field.  He also somehow put the NFL in a position to function as the Justice System.   So when a player does (insert bad behavior) here the main questions are what is the NFL going to do about it and then whatever punishment decides is that consistent and fair.   Just dumb to be involved in that mess to begin with.

[volcom69]

12 hours ago, cincyhokie said:

The NFL has become a bloated, fat, caricature of itself.  Draft talk in November?  Constant year round coverage over anything and everything.  Ratings and money grab. Side stories and drama.  

The law of diminishing returns is a real thing.  

The companies and organizations that thrive in any sector are the ones that adapt on the fly and recognize trends both downward and upward.  

The economy is shifting to a values based economy.  Because of this people are valuing substance over quantity in almost everything.  The NFL is no different.  People want realness.  Not more content, storylines, or drama.  They want the football they have known and love.  Not this watered down crap we're seeing.

Yes this and more this! Football right now is not what is used to be, and I find myself not watching it more and more unless the bengals are playing.

 

[ArmyBengal]

19 hours ago, HoosierCat said:

I'm sure it says something horrible about me that I miss watching guys try (and occasionally succeed) to cripple one another, but I do.

Yep, guilty as charged.
I do miss it.  Seeing those massive collisions.
Punt returns were one of my favorites for impact value.

Yes, I also miss "Jacked Up" !!!

[AMPHAR]

I watch a lot of the All-22 for the games.   So I can't really say my personal enjoyment of NFL football has decrease.  I probably love it as much as I did when I was young.  

I don't know why but Monday Night Football on ESPN is boring.   0 excitement to watch that game.   I love Sunday Night Football because of the intro but I watch Carrie skip around and had 0 interest in Cowboys/Eagles.   There's just something about NFC East football that bores me.   I will stick around and watch the majority of the broadcast pending the quality of game if it's AFC and not NFC East.

However when watching all-22.   I think I've noticed trends that produce boring football to watch on TV.    Player safety and other penalties favor the offense.   

5 yard cushion/Defensive holding has trended into quick throws, zone defense, and D-line play that resembles Volleyball blocking strategies. 

As we all know Cousins went for almost 500 yards.   Other than it effecting my favorite team, if I was neutral fan that's a big fucking deal.  It's almost flag football.   Just because you get these outstanding offensive numbers doesn't mean it's exciting.

They removed fair competition from the game and at the same time destroyed the flow of the game.  Make it nearly impossible for the refs to call penalties with any consistency but have created this expectation that every call should be made.  

I'd almost get back to letting them kill themselves during the game.   Then afterwards film review and doctors review will occur post game and those players will be fined/removed accordingly.      

 

 

[HoosierCat]

Now this is football! 

seriously check that out its brutal...

[volcom69]

Crazy! I saw on Nat Geo wild 2 lions doing the same thing! The one lion came home from a hunt to find his mate with another man, and wow that was brutal as well.