Bengals @ Browns Pregame Chatter/Game Thread

[HoosierCat]

 

[Earendil]

Only the Browns could lose like that.

[HoosierCat]

Reportedly a broken collarbone for McCown, so we'll get either Austin Davis or JFF.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/12/josh_mccown_possible_broken_collarbone_johnny_manziel.html

[COB]

6 hours ago, HoosierCat said:

 

Dude just wrecked his Barkevious Mingo jersey.

 

 Their owner will likely fire Farmer, so new GM coming.  He'll want his own coach.  New coach coming.  These players won't fit his offensive scheme or his defense. New players coming.  So the guy who hulkstered his jersey is going to need a new jersey anyway, thus ripping it up was actually a pretty logical act.

[gregcook68]

8 hours ago, HoosierCat said:

 

See the thread "What Would YOU Do?' in National Football room.

[volcom69]

9 hours ago, HoosierCat said:

normally I'd say don't give them the bulletin board material but...

 

Well just so the bengals don't think they can walk into Clevland and win without trying. The Browns as bad as they might be are going to give the bengals all they have, so hopefully bengals fight for there win

[HoosierCat]

I wouldn't advise the Bengals to go in all fat & happy, but let's face it, "all they have" doesn't look like much, does it? If McCown had made it out of the Baltimore game I'd be more concerned because he's actually a decent QB. But The Midget doesn't scare anyone and what the hell is an "Austin Davis"? Sounds like a car from a Connery-era Bond movie.

Defensively, they just got served by some dude named Buck Allen,a fourth-round pick who projected as an NFL backup/specical teamer last April. And Matt Schaub. Matt. Schaub.

I know,I know, any given Sunday, Dalton's kryptonite, game in Cleveland etc. But man it's hard to see how Cleveland does anything other than lose.

[gregcook68]

47 minutes ago, volcom69 said:

Well just so the bengals don't think they can walk into Clevland and win without trying. The Browns as bad as they might be are going to give the bengals all they have, so hopefully bengals fight for there win

 

47 minutes ago, volcom69 said:

Well just so the bengals don't think they can walk into Clevland and win without trying. The Browns as bad as they might be are going to give the bengals all they have, so hopefully bengals fight for there win

At this point in time, with the number #2 seed and all that's riding on the season, I don't think them overlooking is in the cards.

Outside of the Browns and their fans, that was at best something most will rarely see, and at worst comical.

[BengalszoneBilly]

A good read from Jason Markum at Cincy Jungle.

I could really identify with this quote from: 

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As Paul Daugherty of the Cincinnati Enquirer wrote, it was nice to sit back and enjoy a Bengals game and not worry about the end result for four quarters.

It was as easy a win as exists in the NFL. The Bengals played it like a day at the office, as steadily and unemotionally as any game this year. The Rams played it like they were channeling the 90s Bengals.

And as far as the upcoming game against the Browns in Cleveland, I'm actually feeling a little more confident than I did before the first game at home. I predict Hill is going to get his first 100 yard game against them.

[HoosierCat]

After seeing bidi-bidi-bidi-Buck Allen's performance last night, Hill might run for 1,000 yards.

I liked Doc's TML today: 

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It's the time of year that has me seeking light therapy. The sun has been on a three-day hiatus to points unknown. When did we become Akron? As Sam Wyche (former Men coach, kids; worked in a Super Bowl) said, "Ya don't live in Cleveland.''

Today, be glad ya don't. Watch that game last night? Yowzuh. Three life hours never to be reclaimed. The Browns are at home, against a team as bad as they are. A team whose just-arrived QB hadn't started a winning game in 2 years. Matt Schaub is from the Land of QBs Lost, and he wasn't about to escape his fate last night.

And yet, Baltimore won. The Browns took an L so appropriate for their Browns-ness, it should be in the team Hall of Fame. They send out a kid kicker to try a 51-yard FG at the end of regulation. Kid hadn't made one longer than 44 all year. Only way he gets distance is to lower the trajectory. Which he did, slamming it right into the meaty arms of a Ravens D-lineman. Someone named Will Hill picked the ball up and ran 64 yards for the winning TD.

And you thought Charlie Brown was a cartoon.

This is the team the Bengals play Sunday.

We know all about football that redefines futility. The Browns are so futile, you have to think they've surpassed the '90s Men as the cubic zirconium standard.

Why are some teams perpetually bad?

Two reasons: They don't draft well. They don't hire good people and let them work.

Running a football team isn't any different than running any business. You hire the best people and you let them do their jobs. Unlike the Lost Decade Bengals – whose "stability'' is now deemed an asset – the Browns change coaches the way mill workers change shifts. Since its return to the NFL in 1999, Cleveland has had nine head coaches, two winning seasons and one playoff appearance.

The Browns have had 11 defensive coordinators and 11 offensive coordinators, including Rob Chudzinski twice.

The Browns have had top-15 draft picks in five of the last six years. Some of the gems mined from that opportunity: Phil Taylor, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Barkevious Mingo and Johnny Manziel.

Digging deeper releases more top-pick sulphur: Kamerion Wimbley, Braylon Edwards, Jeff Faine, William Green, Tim Couch.

The Bengals had no personnel department to speak of in the 1990s. They hired bad head coaches. Check that. They hired head coaches who weren't suited for the job. No one would suggest Dick LeBeau was a bad good coordinator. Ditto, Bruce Coslet.

Each was not good in the big chair. Neither was helped by working for Mike Brown. Dave Shula, bless him, was simply a flat-out mistake. The drafts were memorably bad. Come on down, Reynard Wilson.

Between 1991 and 2002, the Bengals were 55-137; in their first dozen years back, the Browns were 64-128. (Since then, Cleveland is 22-53.)

This is remarkable in a socialist enterprise such as the NFL. I mean, at some point, you become competent by accident. It isn't hard to be OK in the National Football League. The organization is defined by its commitment to OK. And yet, here are the Browns, losing a home game to an equally abysmal team, by having a blocked field goal returned for a touchdown, on the last play of the game.

 

[HoosierCat]

Well aren't all you folks watching on tv going to be lucky duckies:

 

 

[HoosierCat]

Terry Pluto: Play JFF

He makes the solid, if obvious, case.

The counter is that no amount of starts is going to tell you the one thing you really need to know about Manziel, namely whether he can get his head straight and keep it that way. And unless you 100% believe he will -- and that would be based on I don't know what -- then the sooner they admit they screwed up and cut ties with him, the better.

Of course, as a Bengals fan, I hope this circus continues without resolution for the next 10 years.

[BengalszoneBilly]

No McCown Sunday. Broken collarbone.

[HoosierCat]

Was on youtube and found this clip of the block & TD runback from the end zone angle. Clearly shows Hill was nowhere near stepping out of bounds on the runback. From the TV angle I thought he might have. (edit: note mild profanity at the end)

[HoosierCat]

Haven't done the Don't Tell Me The Odds Report is a few weeks...

Make playoffs: 99.9%

Win division: 98.2%

First round bye: 61.7%

Reach AFC Championship game: 54.1%

Reach Super Bowl: 29.9%

% Chance it's a...

Carson Palmer Reunion Bowl (AZ/CIN SB): 7.8%

Mike Zimmer Reunion Bowl (MIN/CIN SB): 1.8%

Lombardi: 16.5%

[Stripes]

In light of last night's game, I really enjoyed this.

https://subwayrecord.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/every-browns-loss-since-1999-ranked/

[HoosierCat]

2 hours ago, BengalszoneBilly said:

No McCown Sunday. Broken collarbone.

Yup. He's out for the year. Now, I'm reading the story on that on cleveland.com and there's this from Pettine:

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He said he's not ready to choose between Johnny Manziel and Austin Davis to start Sunday vs. the Bengals.

He also said bringing in another quarterback has been discussed.

He added that the said the signing of Terrelle Pryor is not yet official. A source told cleveland.com that Pryor will re-sign with the Browns today.

He's being signed as a receiver, but can also serve as the third quarterback.

OK. Imagine you're Manziel. If you have any shred of self-respect left, how do you not march into the GM's office and demand your ****ing release? It's one thing if he'd gone out and said Davis is starting. That's fine. You're in the doghouse, etc. It happens to a lot of players. But instead it's this "not ready to choose" and oh, maybe we'll sign some scrub, and oh oh, we're signing Pryor as a maybe-QB, too. It's blindingly clear that you're done so why drag things out any longer? I doubt they would actually let him go but this is just insulting.

[kingwilly]

3 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:

Yup. He's out for the year. Now, I'm reading the story on that on cleveland.com and there's this from Pettine:

OK. Imagine you're Manziel. If you have any shred of self-respect left, how do you not march into the GM's office and demand your ****ing release? It's one thing if he'd gone out and said Davis is starting. That's fine. You're in the doghouse, etc. It happens to a lot of players. But instead it's this "not ready to choose" and oh, maybe we'll sign some scrub, and oh oh, we're signing Pryor as a maybe-QB, too. It's blindingly clear that you're done so why drag things out any longer? I doubt they would actually let him go but this is just insulting.

The reason Manziel won't do that is because he wouldn't get a job anywhere else right now. He's doing the only thing he can, which is be quiet, ride the bench and collect r1 paychecks. He will not have an NFL career after 2016 training camp, unless he finds God/Buddah/Allah/etc. and get his act together. hes simply too immature to make it in a professional man's game.

[BengalszoneBilly]

8 minutes ago, kingwilly said:

The reason Manziel won't do that is because he wouldn't get a job anywhere else right now. He's doing the only thing he can, which is be quiet, ride the bench and collect r1 paychecks. He will not have an NFL career after 2016 training camp, unless he finds God/Buddah/Allah/etc. and get his act together. hes simply too immature to make it in a professional man's game.

I thought Jerry Jones was in love with Johnny *hiccup* Football.

[kingwilly]

Bengals win in a simialr performance as the STL game. 27-3. 34-10, 31-7, something like that. Cleveland showed some life but they are a couple of logs away from an utter house fire. Pettine seems like a poor HC.

[gregcook68]

21 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:

Yup. He's out for the year. Now, I'm reading the story on that on cleveland.com and there's this from Pettine:

OK. Imagine you're Manziel. If you have any shred of self-respect left, how do you not march into the GM's office and demand your ****ing release? It's one thing if he'd gone out and said Davis is starting. That's fine. You're in the doghouse, etc. It happens to a lot of players. But instead it's this "not ready to choose" and oh, maybe we'll sign some scrub, and oh oh, we're signing Pryor as a maybe-QB, too. It's blindingly clear that you're done so why drag things out any longer? I doubt they would actually let him go but this is just insulting.

Tough toenails! The punk should have stayed in college the whole 4 years.

[Scottishbengal]

17 minutes ago, kingwilly said:

Bengals win in a simialr performance as the STL game. 27-3. 34-10, 31-7, something like that. Cleveland showed some life but they are a couple of logs away from an utter house fire. Pettine seems like a poor HC.

They could even be a couple of logs away from an utter outhouse .... but I still think they'll play us tough in Cleveland.  From what I can remember even though we laid a 31-10 beating on them at PBS, no-one really had a stellar game (except Eifert with his 3 x TDs) - no 100 yard rusher, no 100 yard receiver, we just played a solid all round game. I believe we need to do exactly the same thing again and ensure we get a W and keep in the  driving seat for a first round bye come january.

[ArmyBengal]

I think we are going to kick the dawg sh*t out of the Browns.

Not even worried about it.

[HoosierCat]

56 minutes ago, kingwilly said:

The reason Manziel won't do that is because he wouldn't get a job anywhere else right now. He's doing the only thing he can, which is be quiet, ride the bench and collect r1 paychecks. He will not have an NFL career after 2016 training camp, unless he finds God/Buddah/Allah/etc. and get his act together. hes simply too immature to make it in a professional man's game.

All but $250k of his $8 million contract is guaranteed. Which of course is why they'd never agree. My guess is they will try to trade him in the offseason.

[ArmyBengal]

I'd bet a large amount that if Manziel were part of the Cowboys organization, he'd be starting the rest of the way with little thought.

The Browns are f*cking stupid.  Then again, what's new ??