HoosierCat Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 It's hard to judge anything beyond individual performances in preseason. Last week the Bengals made the Giants look like this week's Bengals; this week the Bengals looked like last week's Giants. Go figure. Bodine looks like he's regressed, if that's possible, from last season. Eric Winston is a waste of space. Moobs can't get healthy soon enough. Geno is back. Will Clarke is improved. They need to find a spot for Chris Carter. Ditto DeShawn Williams. Dawson is the only LB who doesn't suck. Kirkpatrick has some highs and lows but overall looks like the guy we hoped we got in the first round. Peko is easily the biggest waste on money and cap space on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Finally got to see the game on DVR early this morning. Ugh. The O-line looked bad. Dalton has to recognize what's coming and get his passes down. Hit 'em in the numbers! Defense tackled poorly. Let's hope we see an improvement next week. BTW, when do we get to see Burfict again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yes Dawson is the only LB that is any good, who will be sitting on the bench all season because Marvin and company are afraid to play young talent! Without Burfict this LB core sucks, Burfict and Dawson would be awesome.Bodine sucks he did last year, but can't fool Paul Alexander he thinks he's the best, hell I think Hue doesn't even like him. Find a center who can play please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Bodine sucks he did last year, but can't fool Paul Alexander he thinks he's the best, hell I think Hue doesn't even like him. Find a center who can play please. Don't worry, Hue fixed Bodine by having Andy become Not Andy and act all pissed off and yell at Bodine whenever he blew a snap. Hue Jackson needs to coach, not act like some deficiency in Andy's leadership is causing Bodine to blow snaps over his head. Plenty of stuff is Andy's fault and he can hopefully fix those things. Bodine's play does not fall in that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Bodine fails on his snaps because he is too worried on how he going to block the guys in front of him. Enough excuses on the center position already and find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Okay. Bodine could be upgraded...I get it. But sheesh, people. Our o-line will be fine as long as we manage to stay healthy. They were actually pretty good last year. The running game was solid and Dalton was in the lower half of the league in terms of sacks. Bodine isn't going to make or break anything this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Finally got to see the game on DVR early this morning. Ugh. The O-line looked bad. Dalton has to recognize what's coming and get his passes down. Hit 'em in the numbers! Defense tackled poorly. Let's hope we see an improvement next week. BTW, when do we get to see Burfict again? Good question. Conventional wisdom is he starts the season on PUP so maybe late October. But I have strong doubts he'll ever be anything like he was after last year, when he had multiple concussions and then he knee responded poorly to surgery. I'd love to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Okay. Bodine could be upgraded...I get it. But sheesh, people. Our o-line will be fine as long as we manage to stay healthy. They were actually pretty good last year. The running game was solid and Dalton was in the lower half of the league in terms of sacks. Bodine isn't going to make or break anything this year. Eh, as a run-blocking unit it's a pretty good line. But I've been saying for a while that it's over-rated in pass protection. It's lofty ranking is propped up by an offensive system that relies on pre-snap reads and getting the ball out in just a couple seconds. They aren't asked to give the QB time to go through progressions because the system doesn't use progressions. When asked to give the QB time they often break down. Of the group, Whit is probably the best pass protector, though he can be beat by speed guys. Moobs is very underrated in pass pro, but lacks consistency. Zeitler is a run-blocker first and foremost and Boling is just a guy either way. Bodine can I think become a capable guy in the run game but his pass pro is lacking. He got a lot of help from Boling last year and I suspect that will happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Even though pre-season - still tired of Marvin's stylings with regard to having this team ready to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 It's hard to judge anything beyond individual performances in preseason. Last week the Bengals made the Giants look like this week's Bengals; this week the Bengals looked like last week's Giants. Go figure. Bodine looks like he's regressed, if that's possible, from last season. Eric Winston is a waste of space. Moobs can't get healthy soon enough. Geno is back. Will Clarke is improved. They need to find a spot for Chris Carter. Ditto DeShawn Williams. Dawson is the only LB who doesn't suck. Kirkpatrick has some highs and lows but overall looks like the guy we hoped we got in the first round. Peko is easily the biggest waste on money and cap space on this team. I agree with al of this except the last line Hall is the biggest waste of money and cap space on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Reading my Twitter timeline tonight it seems Lapham (who is usually tuned in on these things) says don't expect Burfict before week 6, so it sounds like PUP is a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Reading my Twitter timeline tonight it seems Lapham (who is usually tuned in on these things) says don't expect Burfict before week 6, so it sounds like PUP is a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Reading my Twitter timeline tonight it seems Lapham (who is usually tuned in on these things) says don't expect Burfict before week 6, so it sounds like PUP is a lock.This is awful, I'm really not impressed with the LBs, I'm still hoping Dawson continues to improve, and maybe Marvin will play him. I hate this news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I am becoming a big fan of Chris Carter (the linebacker not the WR from Middletown who doesn't claim he is from Middletown) and will be very interested in the roster cuts....IMHO if it is between Hunt and Carter, Carter appears to be the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Will they consider Carter a LB or a DE? Might come down to Carter and a LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 My guess is that like Moch they won't be able to figure out what to do with him. So he'll be waived with the hopes of getting him to the PS. He'll either get plucked off waivers or signed off the PS by some other team. Or maybe I'm just too cynical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 So, remember that guy we used to have playing right tackle? Big dude, man-boobs, all that? Hasn't been seen the first two games. Want to know why? Another FOOT injury. Seriously. Again. http://www.cincyjungle.com/2015/8/26/9210465/andre-smith-injury-update-bengals-andre-smith-has-nagging-foot-injury I guess it's a good thing the Bengals took back-to-back OTs in the first two rounds. Oh, wait, neither of them can play due to injury, either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Lap said last night his foot injury is minor and didn't expect him to miss much time. So my guess is regular season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Marvin said Fisher and Andre Smith have a chance to be back this week, hopefully they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just looked at the quarterback numbers from Monday night's debacle. Dalton looked horrible and the numbers reflect that. I'm confident the o-line issues will be cleaned up, but I'm not confident Andy can handle the pressure he's going to face from defenses this season. Comp/Att %Completion Total passing yards Avg yds per attempt Quarterback Rating TDS/Ints Dalton 6/13 46.2 46 3.5 15.7 0/2 McCarron 11/15 73.3 97 6.5 90.1 0/0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'd have to go back and dig up the PFF #'s from last season, but IIRC Dalton actually did very well under pressure; it was when he wasn't pressured that this performance went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd have to go back and dig up the PFF #'s from last season, but IIRC Dalton actually did very well under pressure; it was when he wasn't pressured that this performance went down. PFF as in Pro Football Focus? I looked it up. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/20/qbs-in-focus-under-pressure/ If I had to distill PFF's analysis of Dalton under pressure into a sentence, it would be, "Dalton sucks under pressure." First, they ranked QB's as to how much pressure they receive. Dalton gets the second least amount of pressure in the league, due to our coaches knowing what a basket case he is under pressure, and designing quick release pass plays to compensate for this weakness. See chart below. (off topic, but RGIII hangs on to the ball a little too long. Wonder how Jay is enjoying his new job!) Who Faced the Most Pressure? Ok, so we see that Dalton is second least pressured QB in league, Whit does a good job too, don't want to just credit the coaches. Next, PFF rated how the quarterbacks performed on the plays they were pressured, important to note this is a ranking of only the plays the QBs faced rush pressure. How did Dalton do? He sucked, which anyone who watches him execute his modified stationary panic response to pressure knows. He was 31st in the league. See PFF's chart below. Best/Worst Under Pressure Ok, bad news above. But we can console ourselves with the knowledge that our coaches have designed an offense that plays to Andy's strengths, correct? Surely he MUST be good when not pressured, correct? Well, annoyingly, PFF decided to go ahead and rate the performance of the quarterbacks on plays they were not pressured. Andy still sucked, he came in 27th. See chart below. Best/Worst with No Pressure The bad thing for Andy is when people look at his actual performance and compare it to that of his peers. Objective analysis is not his friend. The good thing for Andy is when his coaches say stuff like, "Andy's our guy, we're going with Andy," and, "Here's one hundred million dollars, Andy, please get better." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 It amazes me though for how bad Andy might be he holds a lot of records, some good, some bad, for his first couple years. He needs to improve, mostly in the turnover department. I'm hoping this year, he can start to escape pressure better as well. If the line holds up and protects him, I have seen him make great throws, but under pressure and when the team falls into a slump he sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Does it really matter how much shit is dug up and thrown around about Dalton? Stats show he's great at this, stats show he's crap at that ..... bottom line is he IS the starting QB and that's that, whether anyone likes it or loathes it, that's what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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