1st Round #1: Dre Kirkpatrick

[skyline]

Like I said above, he's awfully damn physical. I love that. Will be great supporting in run defense. And at that size and speed, I hope the lack of INTs in college is simply happenstance.

I agree completely, and I think the INT's will come...

It's hard to rack up INTs when the other team is going 3 and out on nearly every possession

[jjakq27]

http://usat.ly/JKHS52

The Raiders picked Carson Palmer in the first round.

[skyline]

Like I said above, he's awfully damn physical. I love that. Will be great supporting in run defense. And at that size and speed, I hope the lack of INTs in college is simply happenstance.

I agree completely, and I think the INT's will come...

It's hard to rack up INTs when the other team is going 3 and out on nearly every possession

Hate to quote myself, but from Kirkpatrick's press conference:

How do you think you performed last season?

DK: “I think I did great. I didn’t get challenged as much as I’d like.”

Just another thing that I think explains the low INT #s...

[derekshank]

I still don't like the pick.

I think Kirkpatrick was overhyped. I don't think he was a true 1st round talent, and the Bengals reached for need. And they didn't need to because this CB class is very deep. They could have gotten a similar talent in the 2nd round.

All that said, at some point you have to stop complaining and embrace the players that make up the Bengals roster. I'll try to get over my disappointment with this pick.

[Scottishbengal]

Providing Kirkpatrick is in as a CB and will not be moved to safety I'm cool with the selection.

I'm pissed we didn't take De Castro but gaining an extra 3rd takes the edge off a bit ...don't know anything about Zeitler so my trust is firmly with the coaches knowing what they're doing.

[ArmyBengal]

I like the fact Carrier will be working with him.

I also like Carrier's answer when asked about Kirkpatrick's speed in saying something along the lines of seeing players with speed get burned because they had no technique and that Kirkpatrick would be fine. I'm good with Carrier and some of the other veterans we have to bring him along. It's a good situation for Kikpatrick and I hope he works his way in nicely.

In regards to Oakland's GM being funny with the Palmer pick, I loved this part of the article:

Oh well. Blame Hue Jackson. By the way, he's a Bengals assistant now.

Priceless !!!

[membengal]

Fwiw, derek, and I share some of your reservations, an observer like mayock called him easily the last true 1st round talent cb on the board and said he went about where he should have.

[COB]

I'm not worried about his talent. I'm worried about his attitude. Will we ever learn to avoid prima donna, selfish players?

[derekshank]

Fwiw, derek, and I share some of your reservations, an observer like mayock called him easily the last true 1st round talent cb on the board and said he went about where he should have.

I know. That doesn't do much for me though. The media has hyped him up for a long time. Mock drafts started backing off of that hype when they interviewed GMs and found that Kirkpatrick was not as highly ranked among the teams as he was in the media.

Here's my thing. Kirkpatrick played on the best defense in college football. He was one of four Alabama defenders that was given a 1st round grade (Barron, Upshaw, Hightower). Josh Chapman (NT) and Dequan Menzie (CB) are also top 100 prospects. Not to mention Nico Johnson (OLB) and Robert Lester (FS) who both are potential 1st round picks next year. Their defensive depth was unreal.

So given all that talent around him, I'm wondering how often he was truly challenged. Who was the best QB Alabama faced? Tyler Wilson (Ark)? Tyler Bray (Tenn)?

I hope he comes in and shows me that he was the best player on that defense. I guess I'm just saying I'm not convinced that he was the best CB available.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I guess I'm just saying I'm not convinced that he was the best CB available.

Those were probably Clairborne and Jenkins, and eveyone is shaky about Janoris.

[ArmyBengal]

Trying to figure out if Kirkpatrick was what held that secondary together or Barron (I think it was a combined efort) is the same thing i'm wondering about the Safety from LSU, Taylor. That's another thread though. It was just a good time to relate a thought.

[derekshank]

I guess I'm just saying I'm not convinced that he was the best CB available.

Those were probably Clairborne and Jenkins, and eveyone is shaky about Janoris.

I mean available at the Bengals pick at #17.

I liked Jamell Fleming better... and think Casey Hayward might also be a better player (although not as good a fit for Zimmer). Honestly, I don' think the Bengals should have drafted a CB in the 1st round, because I don't think there was good value available. I think Melvin Ingram or Chandler Jones would have been a better choice.

I think Kirkpatrick was a big reach at #17. He feels like a top 50 prospect to me... not a top 20 prospect. Time will tell.

[ArmyBengal]

I thought Ingram was going to be the pick seeing how things were being said about Upshaw, only to see a better player in Ingram fall to them. Then they went with the player everyone apparently knew they were going to take regardless. What I did find amusing is them saying they weren't sure if he was going to be there at #17. I think most people knew without much thought he was going to be there. For them to say they were sweating it is kind of funny.

[HoosierCat]

I think Kirkpatrick was a big reach at #17. He feels like a top 50 prospect to me... not a top 20 prospect. Time will tell.

It will. Personally, I think I'd have to go back to Levi Jones to find a Bengals first round pick I was less excited about, and that worked out fairly well, at least for a few years.

[redsbengalsbucks]

I think Kirkpatrick was a big reach at #17. He feels like a top 50 prospect to me... not a top 20 prospect. Time will tell.

It will. Personally, I think I'd have to go back to Levi Jones to find a Bengals first round pick I was less excited about, and that worked out fairly well, at least for a few years.

You liked Cris Perry? I dont see the big concern over picking one of the best CB's in the draft, in the area he was predicted to go. Oh, and he fills the biggest need on the team. Hall may never return from his injury, many players lose speed after such an injury.

[derekshank]

I think Kirkpatrick was a big reach at #17. He feels like a top 50 prospect to me... not a top 20 prospect. Time will tell.

It will. Personally, I think I'd have to go back to Levi Jones to find a Bengals first round pick I was less excited about, and that worked out fairly well, at least for a few years.

Unfortunately, I must go back only to Jermaine Gresham to find the last 1st round pick I was this disappointed by.

And despite Gresham's large fan following here, he has not lived up to his draft status. He might not suck... but he's not the playmaker he was billed to be. He's been merely ok.

And that's my fear for Kirkpatrick. You simply don't use the #17 overall pick on a player you expect to be an "ok" player in the NFL.

[Kazkal]

He hasn't been Gronk but I still he has a chance to be that play maker,Offense was Terrible in 2010 and he had rookie QB in 2011...Now they have a entire offseason together with Gruden teaching them so I can only see offense getting better...More since our Oline got alot better.

[cHaD711Johnson]

I'm not worried about his talent. I'm worried about his attitude. Will we ever learn to avoid prima donna, selfish players?

Not sure if serious?

I still don't like the pick.

I think Kirkpatrick was overhyped. I don't think he was a true 1st round talent, and the Bengals reached for need. And they didn't need to because this CB class is very deep. They could have gotten a similar talent in the 2nd round.

All that said, at some point you have to stop complaining and embrace the players that make up the Bengals roster. I'll try to get over my disappointment with this pick.

You're the 1st person that I've seen call this CB class deep. I don't agree with that at all. By all indications he's a very intelligent player, while he may not be a shut down corner. I've seen Quentin Jammer comparisons and I'll take that for sure.

[skyline]

I'm not worried about his talent. I'm worried about his attitude. Will we ever learn to avoid prima donna, selfish players?

Not sure if serious?

I still don't like the pick.

I think Kirkpatrick was overhyped. I don't think he was a true 1st round talent, and the Bengals reached for need. And they didn't need to because this CB class is very deep. They could have gotten a similar talent in the 2nd round.

All that said, at some point you have to stop complaining and embrace the players that make up the Bengals roster. I'll try to get over my disappointment with this pick.

You're the 1st person that I've seen call this CB class deep. I don't agree with that at all. By all indications he's a very intelligent player, while he may not be a shut down corner. I've seen Quentin Jammer comparisons and I'll take that for sure.

He's physical, has good athletic ability, and has been coached well. All the things you want for someone to be successful at the pro level. Put him with Zimmer, and I can't help but smile a little.

[Wraith]

Early in the draft process I was a big fan of Kirkpatrick, he is a big athletic corner who doesn't back down from a challenge and isn't afraid to hit someone.

As things went by I became enamored with Gilmore's athletic ability and so I moved him ahead of Kirkpatrick but that doesn't change my original evaluation. Not question in my mind that Kirkpatrick was the third best CB in this draft and there is a bit of a drop off after him, no issues with this pick and I think our secondary is sick, we have short term guys playing for a last big contract and long term young guys playing for a career, a TON of talent and experience not mention the depth. There is a LOT to like about the season coming up.

[derekshank]

You're the 1st person that I've seen call this CB class deep. I don't agree with that at all.

There were plenty of people that had Kirkpatrick rated as the 4th or 5th CB in this class. So if he's as good as the Bengals think he is... that's a pretty deep class.

I like Jamell Fleming more than Kirkpatrick.

Casey Hayward is a huge sleeper. Will be a very solid NFL starter.

Janoris Jenkins is the best CB in the draft if he gets his s**t together.

Brandon Boykin is a bit undersized, but is a great athlete, very smart, and versatile.

Josh Robinson ran a sub-4.3 40... and plays that fast too. He's also very skilled at making plays on the ball.

Trumaine Johnson is very similar to Kirkpatrick. He's not overly fast... but he has the size and physicality that everyone likes in Kirkpatrick to make him a solid press-corner.

Several of these guys will be available at the Bengals pick in the 2nd round - which in my opinion would have been a better option than reaching for Kirkpatrick at #17.

[skyline]

You're the 1st person that I've seen call this CB class deep. I don't agree with that at all.

There were plenty of people that had Kirkpatrick rated as the 4th or 5th CB in this class. So if he's as good as the Bengals think he is... that's a pretty deep class.

I like Jamell Fleming more than Kirkpatrick.

Casey Hayward is a huge sleeper. Will be a very solid NFL starter.

Janoris Jenkins is the best CB in the draft if he gets his s**t together.

Brandon Boykin is a bit undersized, but is a great athlete, very smart, and versatile.

Josh Robinson ran a sub-4.3 40... and plays that fast too. He's also very skilled at making plays on the ball.

Trumaine Johnson is very similar to Kirkpatrick. He's not overly fast... but he has the size and physicality that everyone likes in Kirkpatrick to make him a solid press-corner.

Several of these guys will be available at the Bengals pick in the 2nd round - which in my opinion would have been a better option than reaching for Kirkpatrick at #17.

Maybe they draft one of these guys as well, and then we can all watch Hoosier's head explode.

[TJJackson]

.....and mine

if they draft another db, the player needs to be a two-way safety

Janoris Jenkins won't even be able to cover my old dead gramma from a jail cell or on nfl suspension. If you can get him in r6 or so, fine, take a flyer.

[derekshank]

.....and mine

if they draft another db, the player needs to be a two-way safety

Janoris Jenkins won't even be able to cover my old dead gramma from a jail cell or on nfl suspension. If you can get him in r6 or so, fine, take a flyer.

I'm not suggesting they draft Jenkins... or any of these guys at this point. I'm just pointing out that I don't think they needed to reach for CB in the 1st round, because this CB class is equally as deep as the WR class.

[skyline]

.....and mine

if they draft another db, the player needs to be a two-way safety

Janoris Jenkins won't even be able to cover my old dead gramma from a jail cell or on nfl suspension. If you can get him in r6 or so, fine, take a flyer.

I'm not suggesting they draft Jenkins... or any of these guys at this point. I'm just pointing out that I don't think they needed to reach for CB in the 1st round, because this CB class is equally as deep as the WR class.

I hear you...I also would have been pleased with Hayward.

That said, I just don't believe that Kirkpatrick was a reach. Time shall tell.

Can't wait to point and tell you how wrong you were