ArmyBengal Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yeah, getting a 2nd top receiving threat at TE would suck. no way to use two on the field at the same time...oh, wait...And when all other needs that present a better value and fill bigger holes are gone, I will embrace Fleener with open arms.I'm not saying the guy sucks. I'm not saying he wouldn't be useful. I'm just saying when we pick at 17 and 21 he won't be the BPA or fill a need a large as other players I "expect" to be there. People need to stop reading into things, just like the conversation about Jenkins. Geesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I just don't get "pre-hating" a pick. I have no idea how good the Stanford guy is, but if he's another Gronk, then, no, I won't be pissed if they go that route. I figure they are in the right position to know that. And I definitely WILL be pissed if they pass over a Fleener if he is the best player available on their board to reach at a position of "need". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Suer the coaches are in the right position to know that. My point is Fleener is ranked anywhere from 25-30 overall. Almost all those ranked ahead of him that someone will be there at 17 and 21 will present both BPA and fill a need. Fine, you don't like pre hating a pick, but Fleener would be the pick that would be viewed as a reach at either of our picks. Two each their own I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 But that's based on rankings that are not Cincy's...and who knows how accurate or not accurate they are? The Bengals were raped for years for "reaching" on Levi Jones, but pre-injury he was a damn fine tackle for this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Fleener's draft rankings are going up he had a strong workout at his pro day. Pro Football Talk has him going #24 as the BPA so picking him at #21 isn't that great a reach.All of this is much ado about nothing of course, Army, you were the one who said you needed a little spice. I do not believe Kirkpatrick, Glenn, Decastro, Barron, Gilmore, and Floyd will be gone @ #21 but if they decided to go for Fleener I would not be surprised or disappointed, I think it would be a potentially lethal combination given that we now have a creative mind at the O-Coordinator position certainly would prefer Fleener over an untested Hill or Janoris "Pac-Man 2" Jenkins, it's food for thought.Oh and I still believe the best solution is to swing a deal with the Vikes for Richardson FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Fleener would not be a reach at 21. I've seen him ranked as high as 18th.As for how the Bengals board looks, well, subtract the QBs they aren't going to take, the safety they never take in the first, the guards they never take in the first, the OTs they don't need and the other players at the position (either WR or CB) they take at 17, and Fleener probably ranks pretty damn high when 21 rolls around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'll sit back on this as I don't think it will make a bit of difference, but i'm listening to what you guys are saying.I have always found it odd how player rankings change from seasons end to the draft on boards. Going back to January, many had Fleener as the 2nd best TE behind Dwayne Allen of Clemson. Now he's no longer viewed as a reach midway through the first. I'm just using this as one example. There are many more players the same scenario applies to. I would love to spend some time with an NFL scout at the combine to see how they view things and be able to ask some questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I have always found it odd how player rankings change from seasons end to the draft on boards. The great draft hype machine tends to do that. What I find interesting is that it seems to be doing it less now. I kind of expect some flux between the 1 and 2 guys at a position. Look at the Luck v. RGIII talk. That's a fairly recent phenomena. But what I'm seeing less of is guys just rocketing up out of nowhere. Remember when guys like Michael Johnson and Rey-Rey were top 10 picks, then come draft day they were second and third round guys? I'm not seeing that same kind of movement anymore. Brockers is about the closest to it this year, though Gilmore has jumped up a bit too (which may have more to do with the fact Jenkins and Kirkpatrick are character problems). I think we're seeing the impact of the rookie salary system, since there's no that big pot of coin to chase any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 The second round figures to be loaded with decent running back prospects. I definitely think there's a place in Cincinnati for Lamar Miller or LaMichael James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I think this is a funny year for RB's. There seems to be a ton of talent, but no one can really say one of them is so much better than the other after Richardson is gone. I think it all comes down to which one of them fits your system the best and can upgrade your situation better. I just can't get a feel for how the coaches view our current RB's either.Obviously BJGE is going to get the bulk and isn't going anywhere. Can the same be said for Scott ?? I think he's very underwhelming and if they think they could upgrade his spot, I wouldn't complain. If they bring in another bigger back, does Leonard get shown the door ??For example, if they were to get a RB like Chris Polk (yeah i'm pimping) who can run between the tackles and is a threat as a receiver, doesn't Scott still fill the "change of pace" role in the rotation ?? You could place another RB in there if you prefer, but my question stands. Who goes should they draft a RB ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Going back to January, many had Fleener as the 2nd best TE behind Dwayne Allen of Clemson. Now he's no longer viewed as a reach midway through the first. I'm just using this as one example.Teams are not falling for workout warriors like Vernon Gholston anymore... but a player can still improve his stock with a solid showing at the Combine. Think about Julio Jones vs. AJ Green. Jones had a freakish combine... better than Green's. Had Green and Jones been viewed as equal talents, the combine would have been useful as a tie-breaker. But the combine alone didn't allow Jones to leapfrog Green, who had proven on the field to be the best player. The main reason that Fleener passed Allen is that while the combine might not make a prospect's stock skyrocket anymore... it can still make a prospect's stock plummet. Dwayne Allen ran a 4.89 40 yard dash. He was exposed as a very average athlete while Coby Fleener had an impressive showing. Fleener became the undisputed #1 TE prospect, and as such is not viewed as a reach to be taken in the 1st round.Another example would be Vontaze Burfict. He was once viewed as an early 1st round pick. But his out of control style that got him benched hurt his stock. Many thought he might fall to the 2nd round. Then the combine came. He showed up fat and out of shape, put up embarrassing numbers, and interviewed poorly. Red flags all over the place. Many teams removed him from their draft boards entirely. The combine is used to look for red flags more than anything else. When you see draft boards altered significantly after the combine and pro-days... this is usually this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Dre was in town.../>http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/4/10/2939433/2012-nfl-draft-dre-kirkpatrick-recently-visited-cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Dre was in town...http://www.cincyjung...ited-cincinnatiInteresting ..... the scouting report states he'll never be a shutdown corner but could be a free safety and goes on to say in a few years he could be a Pro Bowl safety. If that is a serious stand then I'm not sure the Bengals would take him. I believe the coaches consider we're set at the Safety spots unless of course they have some serious questionmarks over someone. If that is the case and they do take Kirkpatrick then the question would be ...who goes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 My thoughts ?? If they draft Kirkpatrick, it's to play CB. I simply can't see them using a first on a guy they view as a backup to Nelson, who isn't going anywhere in the next few seasons. That's not to say he shouldn't be the pick, because prior to the drug arrest that got overturned, he was considered a top 10 talent and easily the #2 CB. Again, with things changing after the fact. I won't complain if he is the pick, will trust Zimmer to use him according to his strengths, and trust Marvin's evaluation of defensive players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 On the subject of TEs, word tonight is that they are finally getting around to re-signing Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I hope they do sign Lee I will be happy to see him back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 If I have to choose between the Bengals resigning Lee or spending a first round pick on Fleener, I choose Lee. It's not that I think Lee's a better player, it's that I just don't want a TE in the first round. I could probably warm up to it if it actually happened, but thinking about it now has me grimacing severely.I guess it's still possible they could do both though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Give me Lee as opposed to using another 1st on the TE position.He's a good vet presence, is more than serviceable at the position, and has said to be a huge influence on Gresham.Anything that has a positive influence on our young players is good by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8284835f/article/is-janoris-jenkins-worth-the-riskJanoris Jenkins??? No! No! No!He's no doubt a natural talent but this guy appears to be a f**k-wit from the off.As Robbie The Robot would say "Danger. Danger." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8284835f/article/is-janoris-jenkins-worth-the-riskJanoris Jenkins??? No! No! No!He's no doubt a natural talent but this guy appears to be a f**k-wit from the off.As Robbie The Robot would say "Danger. Danger."I don't care if he's the second coming of Deion Sanders. He can't help the team when he's serving suspensions for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.Dude has a problem, and will be an absolute waste of a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8284835f/article/is-janoris-jenkins-worth-the-riskJanoris Jenkins??? No! No! No!He's no doubt a natural talent but this guy appears to be a f**k-wit from the off.As Robbie The Robot would say "Danger. Danger."I don't care if he's the second coming of Deion Sanders. He can't help the team when he's serving suspensions for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.Dude has a problem, and will be an absolute waste of a pick.I'll echo these comments. Please Mike steer clear of Janoris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I don't care if he's the second coming of Deion Sanders. He can't help the team when he's serving suspensions for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.DING DING DING!!!!! We have a winner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8284835f/article/is-janoris-jenkins-worth-the-riskJanoris Jenkins??? No! No! No!He's no doubt a natural talent but this guy appears to be a f**k-wit from the off.As Robbie The Robot would say "Danger. Danger."Well, I didn't see anything to imply the Bengals would be willing to take that risk, so i'm not worried.However, when you hear analysts say they would only put Jenkins in a situation that had a strong veteran presence at the position and coaches that could handle him , I couldn't help but think about the fact we have Clements, Hall, and now Newman along with the secondary coaches in Hue and Carrier. Hell, you could throw in the fact that Pac Man, while an idiot, has done better for himself personally and professionally than he has in the past while with the Bengals.That being said, I still want nothing to do with him unless he were to fall in the 2nd, which won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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