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Round 1 - 17th and 21st Picks


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Things are a bit stuffy and stale.

Who do you want at 17? (backup pick, if you also want to mention one)

Who do you want at 21?

Why...

At 17, I want Dre Kirkpatrick. He is the most "Pro" ready cb, and has been playing in an elite environment for his college career. He's the guy I want.

- back-up pick - Cordy Glenn - also "Pro" ready... we need quality talent on the O-line, he is that guy.

At 21, I want Mark Barron. He can be the field marshall that Rey Rey cannot. We need young depth at safety, and if Barron is there, he will be tough to pass up. I really like the idea of taking two Bama guys in r1.

- back-up pick - Stephen Hill - can be an immediate 3rd wide-out and contribute in the run game, as it is widely noted he is a physical blocker, in addition to his excellent speed and very good hands.

I can be convinced of a LB, or even a DE in r1 but the above is what I'd like to see happen on the first day of the draft.

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I don't much care whether any of these players is taken at 17 or 21. I'd say my personal "draft board" of players I think the Bengals have a decent or better shot at getting would be:

1. David DeCastro

2. Cordy Glenn

3. Mark Barron

4. Dont'a Hightower

5. Stephon Gilmore

6. Dre Kirkpatrick

7. Courtney Upshaw

8. Whitney Mercilus

The two guards both look likely extremely safe picks to me. The Bengals are lucky that this draft offers two top-tier guard prospects when that remains their biggest offensive need in my opinion. At least one of them will be available and I hope to see him in stripes.

This is a terrible class for safeties, but I don't think that should imply that Barron would be a reach. He might not be around to take, but if he is he'd be a perfect replacement for Crocker. Are we really going to work with Taylor Mays starting?

Hightower hasn't been discussed much as a Bengals possibility as far as I've seen, and I can understand that. I wouldn't mind the pick at all though. Rey was better outside.

Gilmore is my favorite of the three corners we keep talking about (with Kirkpatrick and Jenkins).

Upshaw and Mercilus could both bolster the pass rush and improve depth at linebacker and/or end.

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17: DeCastro is the pick for me but if he's gone then Cordy Glenn or Stephen Gilmore would be pleasing. Hoping far too much for Claiborne to still be around that late.

21: Depending on whats happened earlier and if any of my No.17 preferences were still available. If not, perhaps a pick on Nick Perry or Mike Adams.

Although I like Barron, and think he will be a stud of a player, I think we're fairly set for a few years yet at S with Nelson, Mays, Sands, Wilson, Miles, et al, so I can't see a first or second day pick going on Safety.

Similarly I don't think a day 1 or day 2 option will be spent on a WR. With Green, Shipley, Hawkins, Binns, Whalen, Tate etc I think we're set at wideout. A lower round pick or a pick-up from undrafted players may provide some camp competition and unearth a future prospect but I can't see any surprise action in this draft.

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Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts have mocked the Bengals selecting the following:-

No 17: DE Quinten Coples ... CB Stephon Gilmore ....DT Michael Brockers ..... G David deCastro

N0 21: CB Janoris Jenkins (x 2)....... WR Kendall Wright.......CB Dre Kirkpatrick

just thought I'd throw that in for debate

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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/chad-reuter/130101?pickId=2532875

No 17 : Quinton Coples ...... inconsistent play ..... average athletisism .........Bengals (already) have talent at DE (but Coples) talent is too strong to ignore

Is this contradictory or what ???

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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/chad-reuter/130101?pickId=2532875

No 17 : Quinton Coples ...... inconsistent play ..... average athletisism .........Bengals (already) have talent at DE (but Coples) talent is too strong to ignore

Is this contradictory or what ???

So contradictory that I had to read it twice to figure out what they where trying to say. I guess they feel that an average athlete that plays inconsistent has too much talent to pass up.

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If DeCastro is there at #17, I want him more than any other.

He will give Dalton protection from the Guard position for many years to come.

If DeCastro is gone at #17, I would like to see the best CB available and I think that will be Dre Kirkpatrick.

With Gilmore getting more and more love, I think Kirkpatrick falls.

At #21 if the pick is Kirkpatrick, I want Cordy Glenn.

For the same reasons I wanted DeCastro, i'll take the next best thing.

If Cordy Glenn is also gone, I want the best player available.

A wildcard in all of this is Michael Floyd from Notre Dame. I love the kid, but more important than my personal thoughts about him in stripes, the coaching staff also feels the same way and have him coming in for a visit. I fully expect him to be gone, but if not, I would bet a large amount of money on him being the pick.

If Barron is there, a pretty good case could be made for him to be the pick. The best overall safety in the draft and just happens to play SS, where we currently have Taylor Mays and Jeromy Miles as the #1 and #2 at that spot. I don't think they go that way, but if many of the other players are gone, he would certainly equate to the BPA at that point.

What about a LB, DT, or DE they didn't expect ??

Bottomline, I think that if certain players are there, the pick will come easily.

If not, BPA will make the call for them.

I expect good things at #17 and #21 !!!

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Yeah, I don't expect Floyd being around at #17 and certainly not getting by the Jets a pick earlier.

That being said however, if for some reason he did get to us, I fully expect him to be the pick.

Depending on who else happened to fall to that spot, I would guess he would also represent the BPA.

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Provided we do not trade up for Richardson...

at #17 I want DeCastro for all the reasons mentioned previously, if he is gone take the best CB available Kirkpatrick would be my #1 Gilmore my #2. If all three are gone take Cordy Glenn, I seriously doibt all four players will be gone by #17.

at #21 If we take an OG at #17, then I hope one of the two CBs fall to us here, if not take Barron, if he is not available look for a WR, Wright doesn't do much for me he was a human highlight reel at Baylor but I wonder if he will struggle getting separation in the pros. Perhaps Randle from LSU would be a good choice or Fleener the TE from Stanford. If we take a CB at #17 and both DeCastro and Glenn are gone, I would wait for an OG to the second and try to snag Osemele or Zeitler. I would want Barron if he is still there or one of the WRs or Fleener at TE, why TE....well Fleener would be an excellent compliment to Gresham and give us tremendous flexibility on offense.

I do not want to see us reach for a RB, I do not believe any are worth a 1st rd. selection outside of Richardson.

My Bengals Draft board looks as follows.

1) Andrew Luck (goes #1)

2) Robert Griffin III (goes #2)

3) Trent Richardson (goes at the latest #9)

4) Matt Kalil (goes #3 if there is no trade)

5) David DeCastro (potential draft selection because of position)

6) Justin Blackmon (goes at worst #6)

7) Michael Floyd (goes top ten)

8) Morris Claiborne (goes at worst #5)

9) Melvin Ingram

10) Dre Kirkpatrick

11) Cordy Glenn

11) Mark Barron

12) Michael Floyd

13) Stephon Gilmore

14) Fletcher Cox

15) Coby Fleener

16) Luke Kuechley

17) Michael Brockers

18) Whitney Mercilus

19) Nick Perry

20) Quinton Coples

21) Reuben Randle

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If they use another 1st round pick on a TE, I might dig out Mike Brown's heart with a spoon.

Don't be surprised if it happens. TE hasn't been talked about much, but it's noteworthy that, not counting LS/TE Nick Harris, the Bengals only have 2 TEs on the roster, Gresham and Cochart. There was a murmur or two before FA that they were interested in bringing Lee back, but I haven't heard a peep about him or Scaife since. And the Bengals usually keep 3 TEs on the final roster.

Fleener would be a very interesting choice. He's fast, quick, has great hands and is a decent blocker. He would create the kind of mismatch problems OCs love.

I'm not actually expecting them to pick Fleener, but if they are set on giving Dalton more weapons in the passing game and if there's a run on WR in the first round, I could see them pulling the trigger at 21.

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Oh, I would be surprised and mad.

With the thought of going WR at #21 and Floyd being gone, i'd be less surprised to see them take Stephen Hill.

It's not to say I want to see the kid in stripes, but just thinking along the lines of the coaches.

I think they wait until later to find another TE.

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I do not want to see us reach for a RB, I do not believe any are worth a 1st rd. selection outside of Richardson.

And yet a story about who the Bengals could take in the 2nd.

There are at least two people here that would like to see this happen.
/>http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120407/SPT02/304070084/RB-Polk-could-versatile-catch?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Bengals

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If they use another 1st round pick on a TE, I might dig out Mike Brown's heart with a spoon.

Somewhere, Sean Brewer just fired up another cigarette.

I agree, TE is not worth the pick here unless they are revamping the offense into something like NE does with their two guys. But even then , there are bigger needs elsewhere on both lines.

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So if Glenn, Kirkpatrick, Gilmore, DeCastro, Floyd, Barron and several others are gone, you all find drafting the top TE in this draft distasteful...got it. It would be one thing if somebody had success building an offense using two TEs as primary pass catchers but since no one has built such an offense I guess this is a ridiculous concept...oh wait....IMHO though there are many options I would prefer, I think that an offense that is running with AJ Green, Jordan Shipley, Jermaine Gresham, Coby Fleener has an immense amount of flexibility it keeps the defense guessing and off balance because it doesn't know where the attack is coming from, I believe that such an offense will have a tremendous appeal to Jay Gruden.

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Ok, if every other player that could help this team at every other position of need is gone, then sure give me Fleener. Somehow I don't see that being the case and why I would have such issue should he be one of our first round picks. There's simply no way we don't have players sitting there that present as a better value, at a position of need.

I rather them trade 3 picks away and move up than sit tight and draft a freakin' TE.

That's not a knock on Fleener, rather looking at what we need more.

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