Carson Palmer Thread

[COB]

The ball and chain packed up and left well before the season was over? Nice.

Carson's wife has his balls, if he has any left, in her purse. It's totally obvious to me that Carson will not come crawling back to Cinci after the trade deadline, because he's too busy crawling back to California to be a henpecked little p***y.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, there is a pattern here. Carson lets Chad run all over him for 6 years, he lets Mike make mistake after mistake and never says a word, he lets his team disintegrate into the criminal element laughingstock of the league in '06 and never did anything, he let Bratkowski turn our good '09 offense into a weak pass-first shell in '10 and never spoke up.

Carson Palmer can take a flying f**k into the Pacific Ocean for all I care. I am officially done with him and his passive/aggressive do nothing bulls**t. Trade him or let him retire, I don't care anymore. Evaluate LeFevour or draft someone, then get a 1 season rent-a-wreck in here to mentor him. Let's get on with it, this constant Bengals drama has grown beyond tiresome.

[cincyhokie]

The Bengals would lose a great deal if they let a valuable trading chip wither away.

You say that like it's a bad thing. It's a point of pride with Mike. No one pushes Mike Brown around! /cue 3-13 season/

If Mikey would only be as perisistent and stubborn about wanting to win....instead of proving his point. Hell, we'd be the Steelers.

[HoosierCat]

Solomon Wilcots' suggested solution:

On his show Thursday, Wilcots laid out the following plan: The Bengals take their fourth overall pick in the upcoming draft and send it to the Philadelphia Eagles for their pick at 23 in the first round plus quarterback Kevin Kolb and the Eagles. At the same time trade Palmer to the Seattle Seahawks for their pick at 25 in the first round. Presto! The Bengals get a starting quarterback in Kolb and have two first round picks.

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[TJJackson]

GENIUS!

Wilcots has worked out all the details with the brass at those two teams, and each are eager to make these trades, right?

[jjakq27]

GENIUS!

Wilcots has worked out all the details with the brass at those two teams, and each are eager to make these trades, right?

He's hired. Now.

[volcom69]

Solomon Wilcots' suggested solution:

On his show Thursday, Wilcots laid out the following plan: The Bengals take their fourth overall pick in the upcoming draft and send it to the Philadelphia Eagles for their pick at 23 in the first round plus quarterback Kevin Kolb and the Eagles. At the same time trade Palmer to the Seattle Seahawks for their pick at 25 in the first round. Presto! The Bengals get a starting quarterback in Kolb and have two first round picks.

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If they only had a GM or somebody in the office that knew how to do this.....but im sure we are going to keep Palmer and make him retire, how stupid!!!!

I was listening to Sirus, and Pat Kirwin said he heard from Bob Poppa that at one of the Bengals game another coach said that Palmers arm is not the same, and Tim Ryan said that a coach told him that Palmers footwork is not what it used to be. Palmer is beat up, he is not the same, and is not very good. Get what you can for him the highest draft pick you can...Palmer is done with this team.

[ArmyBengal]

I will admit the idea Wilcots throws out there isn't that off base. It's making it happen.

If we were to get Kolb AND two first rounders, I would sh*t myself.

That 23-25 range puts us in line to look at the lines while getting value.

I would support that in a heartbeat and not look back.

Bye Carson.

[ben]

Palmer will be a top 10 qb if he is able to get in a good sysyem with a good oline, mark it down. A change of scenery would do wonders for this guy . Everybody says he has been so bad for the last 2 years simply not true. Last years 21 tds 13 int's 60 percent completion percentage for well over 3000 yds was a good season. Look at what he did over the last 4 or 5 games this season with receivers he can trust. 20 picks was not good but he still threw 26 td's for well over 3000 yds. He's 31 years old which puts him still in the prime of his career. Hiring Marvin back was just the last straw for him , who can blame him? I would want him back since there is no better alternative but the damage is done so it's best to let him go. Maybe explore a trade for Kevin Kolb. Palmer will go somewhere and revive his career, that is if there is a season.

[ArmyBengal]

Come to think of it. For Philly to move from #23 to #4, it would take more than Kolb and their pick.

If you are at least moderately interested in the trade value chart for picks, the #4 is worth 1800 and the #23 is worth 760.

That leaves 1040. They pick #54, worth 360, leaving 680. That's getting equal value if Kolb is considered bottom of 1st round talent.

SOOOOOOO....

Give me Kolb, the #23 AND #54 and the move from #23 to #4 would make more sense.

Does Philly NEED anyone to make the move to #4 ??

[James_Brooks21]

Palmer will be a top 10 qb if he is able to get in a good sysyem with a good oline, mark it down. A change of scenery would do wonders for this guy . Everybody says he has been so bad for the last 2 years simply not true. Last years 21 tds 13 int's 60 percent completion percentage for well over 3000 yds was a good season. Look at what he did over the last 4 or 5 games this season with receivers he can trust. 20 picks was not good but he still threw 26 td's for well over 3000 yds. He's 31 years old which puts him still in the prime of his career. Hiring Marvin back was just the last straw for him , who can blame him? I would want him back since there is no better alternative but the damage is done so it's best to let him go. Maybe explore a trade for Kevin Kolb. Palmer will go somewhere and revive his career, that is if there is a season.

LOL! Top Ten Quarterback! Maybe in the UFL, he's damaged goods. Bad footwork, no velocity on his balls. You guys will be all over this blog when he plays good and will disappear for the rest of the weeks. He doesn't have heart, take it from a Marine that's not the Field General that you would want to go to war with.

[TJJackson]

Philly cant let Kolb go because they know that Vick's playing style will ensure he will not last 16 games - so they need a top quality backup

Unlike in Indy, for example, where Manning never seems to get injured

[HoosierCat]

Things got busy today and I didn't have a chance to look up the numbers but now having done so I would say no to Solomon's idea.

In this trade the Bengals give up the 4th overall pick & Carson.

They get Kolb, the 23rd overall and the 25th overall.

Based on picks alone it's a bad deal. The No. 4 is worth 1,800 points on ye old draft trade value chart. 23 + 25 are worth just 1,480. So Cincy would be swapping one starting QB for another and losing value on picks.

[jjakq27]

Things got busy today and I didn't have a chance to look up the numbers but now having done so I would say no to Solomon's idea.

In this trade the Bengals give up the 4th overall pick & Carson.

They get Kolb, the 23rd overall and the 25th overall.

Based on picks alone it's a bad deal. The No. 4 is worth 1,800 points on ye old draft trade value chart. 23 + 25 are worth just 1,480. So Cincy would be swapping one starting QB for another and losing value on picks.

But in MB's eyes thins might be worth it because he won't be saddled with Carson's contract or top 5 money in this scenario. Dollar-wise he probably comes out ahead. He could potentially get three starting players for the less than the cost of two and have money to put towards someone else. I know it won't happen anyway but it's fun to noodle it around.

[jjakq27]

Palmer will be a top 10 qb if he is able to get in a good sysyem with a good oline, mark it down. A change of scenery would do wonders for this guy . Everybody says he has been so bad for the last 2 years simply not true. Last years 21 tds 13 int's 60 percent completion percentage for well over 3000 yds was a good season. Look at what he did over the last 4 or 5 games this season with receivers he can trust. 20 picks was not good but he still threw 26 td's for well over 3000 yds. He's 31 years old which puts him still in the prime of his career. Hiring Marvin back was just the last straw for him , who can blame him? I would want him back since there is no better alternative but the damage is done so it's best to let him go. Maybe explore a trade for Kevin Kolb. Palmer will go somewhere and revive his career, that is if there is a season.

LOL! Top Ten Quarterback! Maybe in the UFL, he's damaged goods. Bad footwork, no velocity on his balls. You guys will be all over this blog when he plays good and will disappear for the rest of the weeks. He doesn't have heart, take it from a Marine that's not the Field General that you would want to go to war with.

I'm beginning to think he's on the top edge of that downward slide. I had a discussion with a co-worker yesterday and he's friends with someone that is an athletic trainer type here in town that has had professional contact with Palmer at some point. (I know....another five degrees of Carson Palmer story). He said this person told him that Palmer has a significantly diminished range of motion on almost all of his joints which obviously affects his ability to do his job. So as much as I like the guy and still hold out some hope that he will QB us to a playoff win or two very soon, I think it is truly time to part ways. If his heart isn't in it and his body can't do it, then what's the point? It's sad that he came in with such high expectations and lived up to them until the knee injury in 2005 and took another big hit when he hurt his elbow in 2008. MB better get something while he can. The second coming of Greg Cook is fading fast.

[ArmyBengal]

Things got busy today and I didn't have a chance to look up the numbers but now having done so I would say no to Solomon's idea.

In this trade the Bengals give up the 4th overall pick & Carson.

They get Kolb, the 23rd overall and the 25th overall.

Based on picks alone it's a bad deal. The No. 4 is worth 1,800 points on ye old draft trade value chart. 23 + 25 are worth just 1,480. So Cincy would be swapping one starting QB for another and losing value on picks.

Exactly why I said, it would also take the Eagles pick in the 2nd round (#54) along with everything already mentioned to make that happen.

Not a good deal with anything short of that.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Come to think of it. For Philly to move from #23 to #4, it would take more than Kolb and their pick.

If you are at least moderately interested in the trade value chart for picks, the #4 is worth 1800 and the #23 is worth 760.

That leaves 1040. They pick #54, worth 360, leaving 680. That's getting equal value if Kolb is considered bottom of 1st round talent.

SOOOOOOO....

Give me Kolb, the #23 AND #54 and the move from #23 to #4 would make more sense.

Does Philly NEED anyone to make the move to #4 ??

Those charts are out the window these days. If I'm a GM, and I'm not afraid of getting lynched by the fans, I'd willingly trade that #4 pick for one around #15. Maybe when they find a way to get rookie contracts under control it'll change, but until then those high picks aren't worth what they were.

[kingwilly]

What is the fascination with Kolb? He is only OK. He seems to have a bit of a weak chin, just gauging from him getting whacked last year.

I would be FAR happier taking Cam Newton and grabbing a vet QB. Even Alex Smith should get a shake. The guy has never been in a stable situation. Let him come here and push Newton.

Not very engaged with the Kolb concept.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

What is the fascination with Kolb?

At this point? Desperation.

[Kazkal]

Solomon Wilcots' suggested solution:

On his show Thursday, Wilcots laid out the following plan: The Bengals take their fourth overall pick in the upcoming draft and send it to the Philadelphia Eagles for their pick at 23 in the first round plus quarterback Kevin Kolb and the Eagles. At the same time trade Palmer to the Seattle Seahawks for their pick at 25 in the first round. Presto! The Bengals get a starting quarterback in Kolb and have two first round picks.

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If they only had a GM or somebody in the office that knew how to do this.....but im sure we are going to keep Palmer and make him retire, how stupid!!!!

I was listening to Sirus, and Pat Kirwin said he heard from Bob Poppa that at one of the Bengals game another coach said that Palmers arm is not the same, and Tim Ryan said that a coach told him that Palmers footwork is not what it used to be. Palmer is beat up, he is not the same, and is not very good. Get what you can for him the highest draft pick you can...Palmer is done with this team.

Ferk that trade,tell the eagles to suck on a egg and simply trade carson to the seahawks

[BengalszoneBilly]

What is the fascination with Kolb? He is only OK. He seems to have a bit of a weak chin, just gauging from him getting whacked last year.

I would be FAR happier taking Cam Newton and grabbing a vet QB.

I agree up to the point of grabbing a veteran QB. A player the caliber of Newton I feel would be more hindered than helped by an old washed up dude playing another style.

[cincy9275]

straight up f**k cam newton, i don't want akili jr on this team. i would rather tank next season and draft luck.

[ben]

Palmer will be a top 10 qb if he is able to get in a good sysyem with a good oline, mark it down. A change of scenery would do wonders for this guy . Everybody says he has been so bad for the last 2 years simply not true. Last years 21 tds 13 int's 60 percent completion percentage for well over 3000 yds was a good season. Look at what he did over the last 4 or 5 games this season with receivers he can trust. 20 picks was not good but he still threw 26 td's for well over 3000 yds. He's 31 years old which puts him still in the prime of his career. Hiring Marvin back was just the last straw for him , who can blame him? I would want him back since there is no better alternative but the damage is done so it's best to let him go. Maybe explore a trade for Kevin Kolb. Palmer will go somewhere and revive his career, that is if there is a season.

LOL! Top Ten Quarterback! Maybe in the UFL, he's damaged goods. Bad footwork, no velocity on his balls. You guys will be all over this blog when he plays good and will disappear for the rest of the weeks. He doesn't have heart, take it from a Marine that's not the Field General that you would want to go to war with.

How can you say he doesn't have heart , this guy has had his knee shredded his nose broke and is playing through a bad elbow , and still took every single snap this season . To say he doesn't have any heart is just plain stupid! He did have have some velocity toward the end of the season when he could trust his receivers were going to finish routes and not pull up like the cowards ocho and to. He has been here 8 years and we never heard a peep out of this guy till now. The 49ers and titans will be willing to give up their first round picks for Palmer , just watch. Let's see where you are when he takes off next year because that is what's going to happen !

[ben]

straight up f**k cam newton, i don't want akili jr on this team. i would rather tank next season and draft luck.

The only thing about Newton that interests me a little is with his size , can they make him a pocket passer like a big Ben and allow him to extend plays if he is able to shred tacklers like Ben. But that's a big if. He has the size and stenght but i'm skeptical how he translates to the pros. How would Gruden use him?

[HairOnFire]

Things got busy today and I didn't have a chance to look up the numbers but now having done so I would say no to Solomon's idea.

In this trade the Bengals give up the 4th overall pick & Carson.

They get Kolb, the 23rd overall and the 25th overall.

Based on picks alone it's a bad deal. The No. 4 is worth 1,800 points on ye old draft trade value chart. 23 + 25 are worth just 1,480. So Cincy would be swapping one starting QB for another and losing value on picks.

Exactly why I said, it would also take the Eagles pick in the 2nd round (#54) along with everything already mentioned to make that happen.

Not a good deal with anything short of that.

FWIW an earlier rumor claimed the Eagles had let other NFL teams know that Kolb could be had for...(wait for it)...a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Granted, that's just an asking price but if accurate it hows just how laughable is the idea Palmer is no longer worth a single 1st rounder.

Frankly, trade rumors are fun an they help to pass the time but my head and my gut both tell me Mike Brown will ignore Palmer's threats in exactly the same way he ignored Chads. Specifically, he may pick up a player as insurance in the event of a hold out, but all trade talk will simply be ignored. As the draft approaches trade talk will build to a fever pitch and then dry up instantly after the draft results in no trade.

BTW, John Clayton weighed in yesterday on where Palmer will play next season and he stated flatly that if Palmer plays anywhere it will be in stripes. Nutshelled, Clayton pointed to Mike Brown's long history of quashing any Bengal players trade demands and claimed Palmer will fare no better than others who have tried to force their way off the roster. Left unsaid was the idea that of all the teams in the NFL Cincy can least afford a policy that allows any of it's players to dictate trades.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

FWIW an earlier rumor claimed the Eagles had let other NFL teams know that Kolb could be had for...(wait for it)...a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Granted, that's just an asking price but if accurate it hows just how laughable is the idea Palmer is no longer worth a single 1st rounder.

Well, that's the thing - that's an opening salvo. What it means is that Kolb is definitely worth no more than a 1st and a 2nd, and likely quite a bit less. Considering that the Iggles made that statement in a blanket way, one would presume they're asking for a low 1st and 2nd. Add in room for negotiation, and also the fact that Kolb is younger and hasn't had the hype worn off by failure in many actual games, and...yeah. I'd say that leaves a bunch of wiggle room regarding Carson's worth.

Let's also observe that Kolb's helmet still has a wing on it.

I think the best case for Carson's value is that other teams will give him the Bengals reverse discount.