jjakq27 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 SI Mock DraftNo. 4 Marcell Dareus, DT, AlabamaDareus may not be as hot a name because he's been out there as a top draft prospect for so long, but he has had a quality body of work at Alabama. Dareus had 6.5 sacks in 2009 and 4.5 sacks last season. The Bengals' defense fell from No. 4 overall in 2009 to No. 15 this season and needs an impact player on the line.http://sportsillustr....html?eref=sihp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 If they select LSU DB Patrick Peterson, they will be saying goodbye to DB Johnathan Joseph. Is this true? I thought Peterson was equally likely to end up a FS as a CB, depending on who drafts him. Isn't this exactly what Marvin has been saying he wants from the FS position... a physical guy with coverage skills? If he is a true CB, then I'm dead against the pick. Resign your own successful 1st round picks!I was thinking the same thing. Marv has always preached that he wants guys that have coverage skills at the safety position. I believe that any of the above mentioned will make this team better. However, which one will be the difference maker? Which one will be the guy that puts the Bengals defense (or offense) over the top? I have to believe that it would be Peterson....at safety. If he is as advertised, how much would he change the dynamics of our defense? Not to play copy-cat but I'd love to have a dominant safety like Troy or Ed Reed. How much better are those two teams when they are on the field? I like Roy Williams but he is older and injury prone. This guy might be the answer. And to complete the d-backfield, I think they need to make a serious evaluation about JJoe. He is injury prone too and is he worth spending that kind of money on? Or do you have anyone else (Trent, Wade) that might be serviceable? In an ideal world I would like to keep JJoe and get Peterson.If Peterson is gone I would think about a D-lineman. I don't know enough about Bowers or Fairley but I worry about another unmotivated player like Big A. I am not sure our D-line coach can elevate them if they are slackers. As an aside I also hope that these young guys keep their heads on straight this offseason, especially Dunlap. We can't afford any regression, that seems to accompany success the year before.As for a wide receiver, I think that is a "nice to have" pick. I listed several big name first round WR from the last 5-10 years in a previous post and none of them have won a Super Bowl. Looks at Pittsburgh, they have Mike Wallace (3rd round). They burned a No. 2 on Limas Sweed who people forget is their version of Jerome Simpson. You can find good wideouts. I don't think this team needs to burn the No. 4 pick on a receiver. If they decide to keep Chad, I hope the departure of TO will help him focus and take the leadership role as the senior WR (and player) on the team.You don't have to worry about Nick Fairley being motivated, he is all about football, by all reports he is a football junkie and he is aggressive on the field. Bowers could regress as a pro if he is in the wrong system with the wrong coaches, again I believe it is a moot point, both Fairley and Bowers will be gone by the time we pick. Peterson is a very real possibility, in the modern draft era there hasn't been a corner selected in the top 5 (highest is #6 Adam Jones) some team (either Carolina or Buffalo) is likely to reach for a QB in the first because of the concern about the other QBs dropping to the 2nd. Fairley would be my choice if he is there would be fine with Peterson as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I was more concerned with Bowers. I read a few not-too-complimentary things about him but it's hard to tell.All I know is that I want two things. First I want a guy that will either start or unseat a starter early in the season and make a positive impact and second I want that guy signed quickly. Hopefully the new CBA will take the 2nd problem out of our hands forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Fairly is a 4-3 tackle, if carolina does not take him, then we have a shot. Denver and Buffalo are both 3-4 defense, so im not sure if they will take Fairly or not, guess time will tell. I just really hope he does fall, he is the one i want the most!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Exchanging JJ for Peterson doesn't really help us. I'd like to see Peterson in a Bengal uniform as a FSAgreed Even if we let Joseph walk I still wouldn't want a CB no earlier then day 3...We have alot of talent there already plus how many 220 lb CB's out there? or even elite ones that 200+ most seem 185-200? he seems like he'd be perfect for what Marvin wants out of a FS and even SS(they had Roy drop down to 220lbs.)He can cover he can hit he has the size.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Further spitballing... Fairley - Carolina can use help everywhere, but yeah....I think Rivera's remarks about staying in a 4-3 scheme make Fairley an option. Green - If Carolina had a QB Green might be a perfect fit for them. I admit they'll be pressured to get more impact from the top spot than any rookie WR can bring, but they could easily delay selecting a QB until the top of the 2nd round or buy themselves and Claussen more time with a FA QB. Bowers - He could be the top ranked player in the draft, but if Carolina passes on him he might be the most likely of the top 4 prospects to fall to the Bengals. Peterson - A physical freak but if he's the guy who falls to the Bengals I can't see them pulling the trigger. Rather, I'd expect them to shift their attention to the next group of defensive lineman. Von Miller - I've got nothing bad to say about Miller, but by the same token I wonder why we're talking about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Von Miller - I've got nothing bad to say about Miller, but by the same token I wonder why we're talking about him.name for trading down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Von Miller - I've got nothing bad to say about Miller, but by the same token I wonder why we're talking about him.name for trading down? Nope. Wraith did a top 5 mock and had the Bengals reaching reaching reaching for Miller rather than selecting AJ Green. That's f'n unlikely IMHO. To be fair, Wraith also warned earlier not to sleep on Robert Quinn which I think is feasible if Fairley, Bowers, and Green are gone and the Bengals don't want to pull the trigger on Peterson. In fact, under that scenario I'd take Quinn over Darius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Ya, Though if Peterson is supposed be the stud he is I'd welcome him in Open arms to give us play making safety we've been lacking.Even if we let Joseph walk Pacman Played well when asked to start this season and we still have Ghee who has all the physical tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Just found one of the most interesting links on evaluating players at all positions. Bill Walsh's view on what to look for. Such keen philosophy. />http://www.sportsxchange.com/DS97/walsh/walsh2.htmVery good reading. Makes you think about not only how the game continues to change (he wrote it in 1997) but also how philosophies, and results, can vary.Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Ya, Though if Peterson is supposed be the stud he is I'd welcome him in Open arms to give us play making safety we've been lacking.Even if we let Joseph walk Pacman Played well when asked to start this season and we still have Ghee who has all the physical tools.Pacman did play well, but he was also hurt all the time. He would go out almost every game because of an injury, thats the only thing that worries me about Pacman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 My perspective is it may be a reach now but he has had 28 sacks in the last 2 years and I believe almost 40 TFLs which is better than anyone else in the draft I believe and when/if he runs in the high 4.4s at the combine you are going to start hearing hs name rather than top 15 more like top 5 at that point it won't seem like much of a reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 My perspective is it may be a reach now but he has had 28 sacks in the last 2 years and I believe almost 40 TFLs which is better than anyone else in the draft I believe and when/if he runs in the high 4.4s at the combine you are going to start hearing hs name rather than top 15 more like top 5 at that point it won't seem like much of a reach. Ignoring everything else for a moment, if given the choice would you select Miller over Quinn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I am against the selection of A.J. Green simply because of this, there are about 500 WRs in this draft with size and speed, can anyone say with confidence that they think A.J. Green is going to make a markedly better pro than Julio Jones? or Jon Baldwin? All three of those guys have similar production in college, all three had bad starting QBs all three played on a major college team against major college competition, all three are 6'4"+ and 220+ lbs, and all three have been recorded at between 4.48 and 4.49 in the 40 yard dash. Just saying I have seen nothing in the video that tells me one of these receivers is markedly better than another. FWIW the comparisons between Green and Julio Jones are valid. Teams will likely rank them based upon need, fit, and individual personalities. I prefer Green but it isn't a slam dunk. That said, Baldwin and the kid from Notre Dame decided not to enter the draft, weakening the WR draft crop substantially. Plus, the projected CB crop took a comparable hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 My perspective is it may be a reach now but he has had 28 sacks in the last 2 years and I believe almost 40 TFLs which is better than anyone else in the draft I believe and when/if he runs in the high 4.4s at the combine you are going to start hearing hs name rather than top 15 more like top 5 at that point it won't seem like much of a reach. Ignoring everything else for a moment, if given the choice would you select Miller over Quinn?Not only that but Vernon put up big numbers at the combine...nothing against miller he was productive in college... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 What would a draft thread be without a little Mel Kiper? Or should I say...KIPER!!!!Updated: January 12, 2011, 1:20 PM ETBig Board is a 'Fair' assessmentNo player has come as far as Nick Fairley has this season. Now, he's on top.By Mel KiperESPN.com/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/board_bar.png/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/1.jpg Nick Fairley * DT6-5310http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/2.gifAnalysis: Fairley simply dominated his final showcase game for scouts. A force all year while often not 100 percent, a perfect fit for a 4-3 interior. Last week: No. 2/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/2.jpg Da'Quan Bowers * DE6-4277http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/228.gifAnalysis: The most gifted pure pass-rusher on the Board, Bowers has followed through on his talent. An ideal 4-3 DE, but Bowers has a chance as a 3-4 edge. Last week: No. 1/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/3.jpg A.J. Green * WR6-4207http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/61.gif Analysis: Allays any speed fears with improved route-running; and speed is fine. Green has worked hard to become a complete WR. Last week: No. 3/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/4.jpg Patrick Peterson * CB6-1211http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/99.gifAnalysis: An extraordinary athlete, Peterson doesn't just have safety size, he'd measure up to a lot of RBs. Great special teams returner as well. Last week: No. 4 />http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/5.jpg Marcell Dareus * DE6-3306http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/333.gifAnalysis: A solid penetrator; pass-rush skills trump run-stopping performance thus far, which is a reason I can see him becoming a solid 3-4 DE.Last week: No. 6/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/6.jpg Prince Amukamara CB6-1202http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/158.gifAnalysis: Top marks for instincts, ball awareness and really good hands. It's as if he's running the WR's route sometimes. Ready to start. Last week: No. 5/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/7.jpg Robert Quinn * DE6-4267http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/153.gif Analysis: Great natural pass-rusher, solid athlete, serious motor. He'll be a little raw but should shine during the workout process. Last week: No. 7 />http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/8.jpg Blaine Gabbert * QB6-5232http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/142.gifAnalysis: Strong arm, good mobility, prototype in terms of physical skills. The top QB on the Board minus Luck, but he will be under the microscope; volatile. Last week: No. 8/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/9.jpg Von Miller LB6-3243http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/245.gifAnalysis: Miller proved to scouts that he's more than a sack artist this season. He showed coverage skills to go along with known pass-rush production. Last week: No. 9/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/10.jpg Ryan Kerrigan DE6-4259http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/2509.gifAnalysis: Upside and fit a concern, production is not. Kerrigan led the nation with 26 tackles for loss and became impossible to block, even against double-teams. Last week: No. 10/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/11.jpg Julio Jones * WR6-4211http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/333.gifAnalysis: When healthy, Jones was dominant; when not, he was still good in 2010. Overcame drop issues, improved route-running showed off speed. Last week: No. 13/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/12.jpg Akeem Ayers * OLB6-4251http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/26.gifAnalysis: Exceptional athleticism makes him versatile, but his production has also been very good. Long, with ideal OLB build, skills for 3-4 at next level. Last week: No. 11/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/13.jpg Adrian Clayborn DE6-3282http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/2294.gif Analysis: Good size, capable of playing 3-4 DE. Good motor; batters offensive linemen. Needs to refine rush skills; down year for sacks but faced more attention. Last week: No. 15/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/14.jpg Cam Newton * QB6-6250http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/2.gifAnalysis: Great size and athleticism, but also underrated accuracy. Extends plays; good patience. Lacks experience and refinement aside from throwing motion. Last week: No. 12/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/15.jpg J.J. Watt * DE6-6286http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/275.gifAnalysis: Watt should offer versatility, a fit in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme. Relentless worker, solid pass-rush skills. New on the Board. Last week: NR />http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/16.jpg Drake Nevis DT6-1289http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/99.gifAnalysis: Lacks top-end size, but he's an explosive, up-the-field tackle with good pad level and leverage. Ideal three-technique, he plays with passion. Last week: No. 17/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/17.jpg Mark Ingram * RB5-10216http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/333.gifAnalysis: Patient runner, knows how to set up and wait for blocks; big-time competitor; good burst but not top-end speed. Won't shy from contact. Last week: No. 23/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/18.jpg Nate Solder OT6-9313http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/38.gifAnalysis: A physical specimen, has great length, ability to add bulk to chiseled frame. Will shine in workout phase and draft is short on elite offensive tackles. Last week: No. 18 />http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/19.jpg Gabe Carimi OT6-7327http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/275.gifAnalysis: A solid year of tape, battling a number of high draft picks. Better footwork, added consistency. Excellent frame; could go LT or RT. Last week: No. 21/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/20.jpg Ryan Mallett * QB6-7238http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/8.gifAnalysis: Huge arm, can make all the throws. Improved check-down skills and awareness. Footwork needs a lot of work. Last week: No. 17 />http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/21.jpg Anthony Castonzo OT6-7306http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/103.gifAnalysis: Smart, reliable with solid footwork, but could add lower-body strength and overall bulk to improve leverage. Consistent worker; smart player. Last week: No. 22/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/22.jpg Mike Pouncey C/G6-4310http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/57.gif Analysis: Bloodlines are there, as is a comparable skill set to brother Maurkice. Versatile interior blocker; like brother, ready to help. Last week: No. 25/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/23.jpg Cameron Heyward DE6-5291http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/194.gifAnalysis: On the Big Board most of the season, bounced back with dominant Sugar Bowl performance. Versatile, but ideal size to work as 3-4 DE. Deep DL class. Last week: NR/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/24.jpg Jake Locker QB6-3228http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/264.gif Analysis: Off-the-charts skill set and intangibles; solid character. Now begins a process to rebuild his profile for scouts. Last week: No. 24/>http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/images/kiperboard/25.jpg Ben Ijalana OT6-2321http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/ncaa/sml/trans/222.gifAnalysis: Can play either left tackle, or move inside to guard. Versatile, great athlete, good feet, good frame, and totally dominant at FBS level. Last week: NR/>http://insider.espn....tory?id=6014555 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 My perspective is it may be a reach now but he has had 28 sacks in the last 2 years and I believe almost 40 TFLs which is better than anyone else in the draft I believe and when/if he runs in the high 4.4s at the combine you are going to start hearing hs name rather than top 15 more like top 5 at that point it won't seem like much of a reach. Ignoring everything else for a moment, if given the choice would you select Miller over Quinn?The only concerns I would have about Quinn are injury and character. He lost almost the entire season due to taking money from an agent and it wasn't his first character ding at North Carolina. Now he seems like a smart guy when he talks so maybe it is just is a maturity issue that can be resolved it would have to come out in the interviews. From an injury perspective he had surgery to remove a brain tumor after his sophomore year, I would have to be very careful about investing millions in a guy who could potentially have a remission. That all being said, Quinn is a better fit with the Bengals, our defense designed for the 4-3 DE to be a playmaker and Quinn paired with Dunlap on the other side would give us a hellatious combo to pressure the passer. Because of the injury history and the character concerns I would take Miller over Quinn but if it were a simple issue of physical ability heck, I might take Quinn over Bowers. Mark my words with this, Von Miller will make the Pro Bowl pretty early in his career unless there is an issue or an injury and I would love to have him in Cincinnati.Oh and BTW, Baldwin has declared for the draft it is the Oklahoma St kid that stayed in school. And again I am not sure Green is a better prospect than Jones OR Baldwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Good news from Hobson....The Bengals appear to have all their draft picks because they didn't lose one in the trade for Jaguars safety Reggie Nelson at the start of last season. The deal that sent cornerback David Jones to Jacksonville also included a contingent draft pick, but the requirements weren't met… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Good news from Hobson....The Bengals appear to have all their draft picks because they didn't lose one in the trade for Jaguars safety Reggie Nelson at the start of last season. The deal that sent cornerback David Jones to Jacksonville also included a contingent draft pick, but the requirements weren't met…That is great news, the bengals need as many draft picks as they can get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Good news from Hobson....The Bengals appear to have all their draft picks because they didn't lose one in the trade for Jaguars safety Reggie Nelson at the start of last season. The deal that sent cornerback David Jones to Jacksonville also included a contingent draft pick, but the requirements weren't met…That is great news, the bengals need as many draft picks as they can getThat is good news.I realize there is a "Draft" section but check this link for seemingly ALL the mock drafts on the interwebs./>http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Now that we have our 6th rounder in tact, does anyone have faith it will be used wisely ??Maybe package it in a trade ?? Pick someone that won't be useless in the grand scheme of things ??Seriously, I could care less about the 6th rounder. I mean do we really need more fodder that can't be signed off the street ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Seriously, I could care less about the 6th rounder. I mean do we really need more fodder that can't be signed off the street ?? Go easy, Army. You're probably talking about this teams next starting SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Now that we have our 6th rounder in tact, does anyone have faith it will be used wisely ??Maybe package it in a trade ?? Pick someone that won't be useless in the grand scheme of things ??Seriously, I could care less about the 6th rounder. I mean do we really need more fodder that can't be signed off the street ??Bernard Scott was a 6th rounderTom Brady was a 6th rounderMatt Birk was a 6th rounderAdalius Thomas was a 6th rounder(etc etc etc)I'd rather have the pick on the chance it is used wisely (or failing that, used well by pure chance) rather than not have the pick at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Bernard Scott was a 6th rounder...Tom Brady was a 6th rounder...I'd rather have the pick on the chance it is used wisely (or well by pure chance) rather than not have the pick at allI think I might be too nauseated to check, but might the Bengals have done better in round 6 than round 1 lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Now that we have our 6th rounder in tact, does anyone have faith it will be used wisely ??Maybe package it in a trade ?? Pick someone that won't be useless in the grand scheme of things ??Seriously, I could care less about the 6th rounder. I mean do we really need more fodder that can't be signed off the street ??Bernard Scott was a 6th rounderTom Brady was a 6th rounderMatt Birk was a 6th rounderAdalius Thomas was a 6th rounder(etc etc etc)I'd rather have the pick on the chance it is used wisely (or failing that, used well by pure chance) rather than not have the pick at allI kind of get your point and you kind of made mine at the same time. While I can admit those are all good 6th round picks, Scott is the only one that was drafted by the Bengals (obviously) and I'm not sold on him being anything more than a change of pace back. I'll take that out of a 6th rounder, but what's going on here ?? Do all of you suddenly have great faith in what this teams scouting staff can do with their late round picks ?? I'm sure there are a bunch of great late round picks playing in the league, but outside of Douchmanzadeh, the Bengals simply aren't that great at it.Call me the doubting Thomas of the group here when it comes to our 6th round pick for the 2011 draft.I'll believe it, when I see it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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