ArmyBengal

So still ass nonetheless... I get it, we have zero TE's at this point. I'm really hoping they get Foster if even on a one year deal. Still draft a TE at some point and pick up another during cutdowns and shit. If it has to be Sample, I guess there are worse things, but that dude is not good.

Drew Sample = Ass

I'm not surprised teams are asking about Jonah. Finding even average OT's is a challenging task. The question becomes... what do the Bengals want in return? I honestly hope something gets done. Maybe instead of picks, there could be a swap of picks so the Bengals can move up. I would be just as happy with that.

109 million in cap space sounds really good. What people forget is it's not like we will have a full team under contract AND the 109 million to spend on upgrading the roster. (I'm not saying you AMPHAR just making a point) The reason for that 109 million is that half the starters for 2023 will no longer be under contract. If we don't spend the 109 million on extending those players, new ones will need to be found. This year is no exception. Plenty of people talking about how much room the Bengals have. An OT, LB, Safety and few other minor signings and we are at less than 10 million remaining. When looking at big deals coming for Burrow, Chase, and Higgins (if he sticks), this is why people are suggesting players need to be restructured or let go. It's the burden of success in building a roster that competes for the Super Bowl each year. You can't pay everyone. That 109 million will be gone so quick it won't be funny.

I get that as well, they have absolutely shit the bed more often than not when it comes to getting an o-lineman in here that they can develop into a starter. They either draft a guy that has the ability and will work at his craft (Volson) or they get some guy that is a turd and always will be (Carman). All that being said, you still can't just avoid it and hope a player figures it out and/or have free agency as your go to plan. Lets be honest, if Jonah Williams had lived up to his draft spot and they weren't looking at having to dump a ton of cash into him as a free agent while being average at best, Brown would never have been a consideration. I think that's another aspect that pisses me off about Jonah. It's like, dude, you aren't better than this guy... shut up. I would still have no issue with Darnell Wright, RT, Tennessee at #28.

Rookie pool is undefeated. Motherfucker has ice in his veins.

Yeah crazies indeed… I’m sure that kid playing nerf wars was wondering why the hell someone was shooting real bullets at him before one shattered his foot. There was a house full of crazies shooting real bullets at kids. I see kids playing with nerf guns all the time. Hell even I play nerf wars with my boys in the house. I’ve got a sniper rifle that shoots the big darts, but my personal favorite is the battery powered fully automatic rifle with nerf grenade launcher. I fucking dominate. What I don’t do is pull out my handgun and start shooting at them. I have no issues with guns. Have a small arsenal to tell the truth. I do however take issue with stupid fucking people that can’t determine what the fuck is going on around them and end up shooting kids.

Haven't heard anything about his asking price. Maybe that is the hang up ??

Oh yeah, Adeniji. I almost forgot about him. Let's go little girl, you can do it Jenny !!!

That's all they had on him, but here you go... https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-tight-end-rankings

So the competition for starting RT is between Ford (bust), Carman (bust), the towel boy, and the little girl that runs out on the field and grabs the kicking tee ?? Am I wrong in rooting for the little girl ??

Hey TJ, I'm right there with you. I would MUCH rather have a RT at #28 that we could count on for the next 5 years. Or give me that impact CB or DT at that spot before TE. All day long. My only point at this moment (God knows it could very well shake out differently) is that the impact guys at either OT, CB or DT will be gone by #28 and we are reaching for a 2nd or 3rd tier type of player. I would prefer the impact, top tier TE and then grab from those other spots starting in round 2. Again, all this can and most likely will change. Signing Moreau would be enough to make me wait on TE until later.

My bad, I didn't give the perspective from run blocking vs. pass blocking. Duh, that's kind of important. Last in run blocking... Here, read for yourself:

Well when looking at both Hurst's and Moreau's stats from last season, they are fairly close. Hurst- 52 catches on 68 targets, 414 yards and 2 TD's, 26 first down catches, 8 yards per catch Moreau- 33 catches on 54 targets, 420 yards and 2 TD's, 24 first down catches, 13 yards per catch Looking at that alone, it's not hard to see Moreau have the same impact that Hurst had in 2022. However, and this is big, he was the worst blocking TE in the league last year.

Same story, new season. Wash, rinse, repeat. By repeat, I mean fail.

I really haven't spent time looking him up. Great points...

It would not surprise me to see them wait on an OT and let the combo of Carman and Ford battle out for the RT spot in the hopes of Collins coming back early (he won't). In regards to an interior D-lineman, I agree with the need and would have no issue with adding one at #28. I still don't think Carter falls that far regardless of personal issues. I'm really not a fan of Bresee as he's not very dynamic and has injury concerns. Kancey I'm totally 100% all in on, just not thinking he makes it to us at #28. After that it's kind of a mixed bag for me. CB is another position I look at the same way. All the top end guys are gone and then it's a mixed bag for a player at the #28 spot. Do you reach or take a higher rated guy at another position? Jumping back to OT, I would have no problem with Wright from Tennessee. Initially I wanted a guy that could come in at RT and then possibly transition to LT when Jonah left. That's out with the addition of Brown, so give me the best RT there is. However, it doesn't appear that's what the Bengals are thinking. TE just seems like one of those positions where there will be a player they view as being worthy of investing a 1st round pick on. An outlier for me at #28 should everything else go to shit is RB. Then again, seeing as how I have no idea what the hell happens in the front office and the draft room, I could be completely off and they end up taking a WR or some shit like that...

Wonder if the owners are giving him a fully guaranteed contract ??

Sounds like Bates' situation. Had an offer and thought he was worth more. Difference obviously being that Bates wasn't a free agent. We could have gotten in on that one year deal, but if we weren't paying Bates that kind of coin, we aren't paying someone else outside the organization that coin either.

Maybe he thinks Joe Burrow is a dick ??

From all accounts, Perine wanted a change of scenery. Maybe he likes mountain views and smoking weed legally in the off season ??

My point in that is, for example... The Falcons are saying they are good with Ridder. While I think they are crazy personally for taking that approach, there may be more reasons for saying that than simply because they are pushing back against guaranteed contracts. I also acknowledge that could be the case. However, the Falcons did invest a 3rd round pick in him and it isn't like the guy is a total bust at this point in starting 4 games. If they want to (I guess they would) try to build around him, they wouldn't in and of itself, be wrong. They do have cap space to add a contract of Jackson's like. Maybe that's simply not their philosophy in giving up the picks, as they want to build through the draft and 2 first rounders are big. Also, if they are going to put in all this work to get him, what's it going to take for the Ravens to not match that deal? If the Ravens decide to match, now they have a QB that may be pissed (like Williams) in trying to bring in someone to take his job. That lets Ridder know how they feel about him. All that being said, I think they would crazy to NOT consider Jackson, but my thoughts aren't a consideration. That and I have no idea how the Falcons approach shit. Again, I'm not saying it's not collusion. I'm saying there are many reasons outside of that, which would keep a team from pulling the trigger.

Oh don't get me wrong Mem. I'm only talking about what the teams appear to be doing or saying. It has nothing to do with what I would want as a fan. Again, there are more factors involved then simply saying a team should do this or that. Salary cap implications in the time of the rookie wage scale are huge. The Bengals have benefitted MASSIVELY by not having to pay Burrow these last few years. It allows teams to continue building around their QB for years to come without giving up the farm.

So it got me wondering about each team and their QB situation. By "set" I'm thinking they either have their guy or wouldn't move on from what they have. AFC East- Bills and Dolphins are set. The Pats have Mac Jones they won't give up on right now (I think they should) and the Jets are going after Rodgers. I wouldn't guess either the Pats or Jets would give 2 first rounders. AFC North- Outside of the Ravens, everyone else is set. AFC South- Titans and Jags are set. Both the Texans and Colts are looking for a QB, but are sitting at the top of the pecking order to get one (#2 and #4). Question is, do they feel the draft is the better way to go considering you can get a QB for 5 years on the cheap and not give up a single pick to do it, let alone first round picks? I'm guessing the draft there. AFC West- Chiefs, Chargers and Broncos are set and the Raiders just got Garappolo. So no one I'm assuming. NFC East- Eagles, Cowboys and Giants are set, with the Commanders being in play and picking #16, but from all accounts are hurting from a cap space concern. That may have or will change. Plus that front office is a fucking nightmare that is looking to sell the team. NFC North- I don't think the Bears and Vikings are moving off of Fields and Cousins respectively (I could be wrong). Goff is signed with the Lions through 2024. Will the Packers go with Love after Rodgers leaves. I'm guessing yes. NFC South- The Saints and Falcons appear set to roll with Carr and Ridder respectively. The Falcons seem ok with Mayfield as their week one starter. The Panthers just traded up to #1 so we know how that ends... QB. NFC West- I don't think any of these teams (49er's, Seahawks, Rams and Cardinals) are moving off of their starters. So, by the way I'm looking at this I would say there are 2-5 teams total who actually "might" consider this with the Commanders leading the way. That's kind of slim pickings for Jackson. The points about giving up 2 first rounders, paying him top of the market, cap space concerns, and the Ravens being able to match are all really good considerations. That's why I don't really see the collusion aspect of things. Teams simply don't move off the starters they have invested time and money into very often.

Agree in that if I were betting, I would say a blocking TE will be the direction. The loss of Perine in being the best blocking RB we had plays a big part in that. His skills have to be replaced one way or another.