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Lap doesn’t think Ben Martin will be OL coach. 
 

They could  consider Scott Peters assistant to Bill Callahan at the Browns.  IMO, that’s a little underwhelming considering experience. 
 

Frank Pollack expected to be released by Jets. 

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This better be a make-or-break year for Taylor and that entire staff.   I love how Brown basically blames the fans, "this is what you wanted 2 years ago."  Typical.  The fans simply have higher standards than the owner.

 

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Ha ha!  Bullshit smokescreen from the owner, then obfuscation and inaction from Taylor.  
 

Ultimately very little substantive change seems to be happening.  That defensive coordinator sucks.  Fuck this organization.  And Mike can shove his “you fans wanted it, so now you got it” attitude.  Eat shit you fucking somehow still animated collection of liver spots and brylcreem.
 

 What an unfair thing to do to Joe Burrow.  Get better quickly Joe and come back and save the whole fucking thing by yourself.  That’s pretty much the whole plan.  

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The most intriguing part of Mike’s statement:

“We remain bullish on the foundation Zac is building, and we look forward to next year giving our fans the winning results we all want.”

I’d like to know what the line is, what’s the goal?  Because that statement makes it look like 9 wins.  Also, Zac builds a foundation about as fast as a one-armed mason with a wheelbarrow and 1000 bags of sakrete.

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9 hours ago, princeton said:

3. Bengals should have fired Zackie yesterday and replaced him with Marvin 

Nothing would ruin my enthusiasm for Bengals football, or what's left of it, faster than this. It would be the ultimate insult.

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I don't think there's any value in dissecting the statement from the organization as though it has deep underlying meaning. It's generic filler spam like any organization spews, including the words getting lambasted here (e.g. "blame the fans"), and the only message that means anything in there is "Zac Taylor is returning".

The rest is message board fodder and nothing else.

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If Pollack is or will be available soon I hope they try and bring him back in.....but I doubt they can due to how he was treated when Zacky-Boy came in with his good ol' buddy Turner

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BTW, is there an official announcement or list of coaches who've been officially let go? I've yet to see anything.

Then there's this below, which I agree with 100%.  Something is seriously wrong with this org and their player health/injuries.  It is completely unnatural for this many players to have the amount of injuries this franchise has: (although again I'm still wondering what "clean house" means? I haven't seen anything other than 3 assistant names mentioned as being let go).  The local media coverage here is absolutely terrible when it comes to sports, everything is so fragmented now, I don't have time to do Google searches or pay for ths kind of content/news.

 

 

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Nothing official still. ZT said would be made known as week went on.

 

Frankly, I am suspicious that Turner survives this now.

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23 minutes ago, membengal said:

Nothing official still. ZT said would be made known as week went on.

 

Frankly, I am suspicious that Turner survives this now.

That would be an absolute outrage. 

The running backs were good this year.  Perine developed, Gio looked great, even our depth guy ran people over in garbage time.  Result?  Running backs coach gone.

The receivers were good this year.  Boyd is great, our rookie looked really good.  Result?  Receivers coach gone.

The offensive line was the problem with the offense.  If they keep Turner it would make no sense at all.  (Welcome to Mike's world!)

 

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I'm starting to understand keeping the DC.  Knowing Zac is on thin ice, who are we really going to get to come in here?  

Probably only someone on Lou's level.  So we might as well keep they guy who at least has some experience with these players and this organization.  Also let the players flourish as much as possible under the same system.  Mike always finds a way not to pay coaches who aren't actually coaching.

I can kind of see him sitting around ruminating, "So, other organizations reward a coach for failing by paying him not to work for two seasons?  A two year paid vacation?  Not around here!"

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the running backs coach fled to a downgrade.....same position but at UK, which isnt exactly known for its football team

understandable, really

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Zac couldn't get "name" D-Coordinators in here on a  fresh start.    The highest level names that could have entertained would be guys like Pauly G or Gregg Williams.   Otherwise you are grabbing a position coach getting their start as a coordinator.

 

 

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17 hours ago, TJJackson said:

the running backs coach fled to a downgrade.....same position but at UK, which isnt exactly known for its football team

understandable, really

Uninformed here.    UK is in the SEC which the conference pays their position coaches among the highest in all of college football.    UK position coach will range from $300K-$900K which is very competitive with the NFL.  UK spent nearly 6 mil on its position coaches last year. 

In addition the current UK staff has had 2 assistants promoted off that staff to head coaching spots in college, one reaching a power 5 conference last year.

AN SEC RB coach will average about $500K per year.   It is speculated a NFL RB coach is around $400K

It always possible he took less money to leave but I doubt it.   Stoops is trying to get a top tier program so I don't think he's bringing scrubs in when he has the budget not to.

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I knew Jim Turner would be taking a new job soon.  But I was surprised today to see that he’s apparently already taken the job as leader of the U.S. Capital Building police force.  

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Hank Fraley emerges as the first OL candidate.   Reports of interview.   From the Detroit Lions

 

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Hank Fraley
OFFENSIVE LINE
Biography
Hank Fraley enters his third season with the Lions and his first as the team's offensive line coach. He spent the 2018-19 seasons as Detroit's assistant offensive line coach.

His coaching resume includes experience coaching the offensive line at both the collegiate and professional level. His first two seasons in Detroit were highlighted by assisting former Offensive Line Coach Jeff Davidson, in producing an effective running game led by the talent upfront on the offensive line. In the 2019 season, the o-line assisted four different running backs accumulate at least 200 rushing yards on the season, which was an NFL-high. In Week 7 of 2018, Detroit's offensive line went on to help put together a season-best, 248 rushing yards at the Miami Dolphins. The performance on the ground marked the most rushing yards the Lions posted in a game since 249 rushing yards against the Indianapolis Colts on Nov. 23, 1997.

Prior to coming to Detroit in 2018, he most recently served as the offensive line coach at UCLA in 2017. He entered the NFL coaching ranks when he was named the assistant offensive line coach for the Minnesota Vikings in 2014, where he worked for three seasons (2014-16). While assisting with the offensive line, Fraley helped the unit produce one of the NFL's top rushing attacks in 2015.

With an offense featuring RB Adrian Peterson, the Vikings offensive line paved the way for Peterson to rush for an NFL-leading 1,485 yards in 2015, while the team finished fourth in overall rushing that season. Despite losing veterans C John Sullivan and T Phil Loadholt to injuries during the preseason, Minnesota's offensive line finished the 2015 season as the only NFL team to have the same starting offensive line in all 16 games.

Prior to joining the Vikings, Fraley served as the offensive line coach at San Jose State in 2013. He began his coaching career in 2012 when he was named the offensive line coach at the University of San Diego.

A former lineman himself, Fraley played 11 seasons in the NFL after entering the League as an undrafted free agent in 2000 out of Robert Morris (Pa.). He went on to play with the Philadelphia Eagles (2000-05), Cleveland Browns (2006-09) and St. Louis Rams (2010). Primarily a center during his playing career, Fraley started for the Eagles (2001-05) before being traded midway through the 2005 season to the Browns. As a mainstay along the offensive line, he helped Philadelphia win four-consecutive NFC East titles between 2001-04 and reach four-consecutive NFC title games. The Eagles advanced to Super Bowl XXXIX against New England following the 2004 regular season.

After joining the Browns in 2006, Fraley played under current Lions Offensive Line Coach Jeff Davidson and started all 16 games despite joining the team at the end of the preseason.

A standout athlete at Robert Morris, Fraley was an All-Northeastern Conference selection from 1997-99, helping his teams win conference titles each season. He had his No. 75 retired by the school in 2001 and became the first Robert Morris alum to play in the Super Bowl. He was enshrined in the school's Hall of Fame in 2006 and honored by the Northeast Conference in 2010.

Fraley and his wife, Danielle, have four sons, Trent, Mason, Travis and Beau, and one daughter, Scarlett.

_FRALEY'S COACHING BACKGROUND _

Detroit Lions 2018-

Offensive Line 2020

Assistant Offensive Line 2018-19

UCLA 2017

Offensive Line 2017

Minnesota Vikings 2014-16

Assistant Offensive Line 2014-16

San Jose State 2013

Offensive Line 2013

University of San Diego 2012

Offensive Line 2012
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PFF Final O-line rankings - Detroit Lions at 13: (Bengals were at 30)

 

13. Detroit Lions

Another year, another season of improved play from Frank Ragnow, who is asserting himself as one of the league’s top young interior offensive linemen. His 80.3 PFF grade in 2020 ranked second at the center position, and it came behind career-high grades both in pass protection and as a run-blocker. The fact that he played through a fractured throat late in the season only adds to the notion that this is a guy you don’t want to mess with in the trenches.

There were shuffling pieces along the line this season, but the play from both Ragnow and left tackle Taylor Decker (82.0 PFF grade) fresh off a contract extension this offseason helped stabilize the group. The Lions will be hoping for a second-year jump for Jonah Jackson at guard in 2021 to help take the unit to the next level.

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PFF Preseason Projections (Bengals 31)

 

16. Detroit Lions

The Lions finished with the No. 11 offensive line last season as they had two players finish in the top 10 at their respective positions — center Frank Ragnow finished sixth and right guard Graham Glasgow finished 10th — while left tackle Taylor Decker ranked 19th. There will be some turnover as Glasgow moves on in free agency and right tackle Rick Wagner also departs.

At tackle, Decker enters the fifth year of his rookie contract, and he has ranked above the league average on true pass sets and run blocking grade on both gap and zone runs since 2016. Left guard Joe Dahl performed well in his first year as a starter in 2019, though it was a bit lopsided as he ranked 23rd with a pass-blocking grade of 73.0, but he finished just 48th as a run blocker at 57.1. Ragnow had the No. 2 grade among centers in the run game at 78.2, showing off the skills that made him one of the best interior offensive line prospects of the PFF College era (since 2014).

The questions are on the right side, where Halapoulivaati Vaitai signed for $45 million over five years to start at right tackle. Vaitai is coming off a career-high 76.2 run block grade, but his pass-blocking grade of just 55.2 since 2016 ranks 84 out of 94 qualifiers, so that remains a major question mark. At right guard, third-round pick Jonah Jackson was our favorite pass protecting guard in the draft, and he has the all-around game to step right in as a starter. He’ll compete with veteran Oday Aboushi, who hasn’t posted an overall grade above 62.7 since 2014. Keep an eye on fourth-rounder Logan Stenberg, who brings excellent power and size to the line and may be a solid starter down the road.

Between Decker, Dahl and Ragnow, the Lions have a strong foundation up front, but the right side of the line will determine where the Lions finish in the end-of-the-season rankings. 

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Fraley would be a homerun. Trying not to get my hopes up.

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55 minutes ago, membengal said:

Fraley would be a homerun. Trying not to get my hopes up.

Always a good plan with this team.

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See if he can bring Ragnow with him.  Really wanted that dude on the Bengals.

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Yep.....Detroit knew we were gonna take a OC and traded 1 spot ahead of us to get Ragnow.

we ended up with Billy Price on the very next pick

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Rooting for the Jets on this one. They should do that.

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