Mike Brown Speaks

[HoosierCat]

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7334

Short version: Lewis stays, Chad stays, no GM, 2009 to be SSDY.

[TJJackson]

The answer on the GM question is hilarious....circular 'logic'

I wonder if former president Clinton coached him on that answer

[Bearcat1975]

Mike Brown doesn't even buy Mike Brown's bullspit anymore.

[Kazkal]

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk."

1 Winning season since you've taken over good job Mr. Brown!More of the same how much will we have to endure.....

[Walrus]

The Enquirer's version of the story makes even less sense. What a bizarre interview. "Themes"?

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2008120...010050/1062/SPT

[Dadraftnick]

Everytime I read something that Mike Brown says ,I am amazed how stupid he is.

When I look at his drafts I am amazed how stupid he is.

I know he went to an Ivy league school but, I guess they only teach how to bleed the masses and scam money.

They must not have any classes in common sense,judgement,logic,reason,sanity, ect.

If this inept steaming mass had any other job in life he would have starved to death along time ago.

Would let him run your company?

Would you let him sell you a used car?

Would buy insurance from this guy?

I will say that Mike Brown knows how to put money in his pocket, but when you look at it , all of the money that he has made has been at the taxpayers expense.

The taxpayers gave his father a stadium and he and his father used the taxpayer funded stadium to make money.

Then the taxpayers gave Mike a new stadium to make money with because, Mike wasnt making ENOUGH money but , as far as his ability to run an organization or reach goals(playoffs) Brown is a joke!

Anyone of us could be given an NFL franchise and stadium funded by the taxpayers and make money.

But, most of us would hire a gm if we realized that we were not able to cut it.

Most of us would not be so damn greedy.

Most of us would at least try to win!!!!

[Kazkal]

Would let him run your company?

He makes profit off a pro team that's had one winning season since he's taken over...My company may be a s**tty product but hey he'd be making me money lol.

Q: What has to happen to turn the team around?

A: “I think things would take a quantum leap forward if we had Carson Palmer back on the field and playing the way he can play.”

0-4 With Carson this season,Carson would help but him being out isn't why we are 1-10-1

[futurebengal08]

"Part of being in this job, the good side of the coin is it shows the emotional connection the fans have with this football team.”

I'm really glad to hear that my personal anguish means so much to Mikey.

[Tee]

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"Everything is fine with the Bengals. We are ready to CRUSH our opponent every Sunday!"

[Dadraftnick]

Would let him run your company?

He makes profit off a pro team that's had one winning season since he's taken over...My company may be a s**tty product but hey he'd be making me money lol.

Q: What has to happen to turn the team around?

A: “I think things would take a quantum leap forward if we had Carson Palmer back on the field and playing the way he can play.”

0-4 With Carson this season,Carson would help but him being out isn't why we are 1-10-1

An NFL team has a built in profit, a freakin monkey could make a profit with Bengals all that Brown has to do is collect TV money to make a profit.

Part of a GM/Owner of any business owner is to produce a good product,which is my point if Brown were any other thing in life he would starve.

In real life if Brown made cars as a product , for example, it would be the equivilent of making a car that wouldnt go 100 miles falling apart regardless, of how much profit he made per car people would stop buying them.

Even if people stopped going to games Brown would make money from TV money.

I think the only way Brown would ever try to win or hire a GM is if proffit were tied to how much a team makes.

[DesperateDerelict]

“It is hard to have success in this league without your key players. We’re playing with literally less than half of the people we thought would be our starters. … We lost Carson Palmer, who is our linchpin player. We lost our best defensive player before the season started, (linebacker) Odell Thurman.

"The linebacker corps we thought that we would be playing with was (Keith) Rivers, Thurman and (David) Pollack. They are all gone, two for good.

“When you have that kind of erosion on your football team, it is hard to be successful. We have not managed to overcome it.”

OMG! Where to start...

Gee whiz, Mikey, the Patriots lost Tom frickin' Brady for the year, and at least they are competitve. And how do you include Pollack and Thurman in your 2008 starting linebacker corps? We've known they were long gone for over a year - with David it's more like 3 years.

“You cannot answer that question without undercutting someone. I am not going down that path. I think in many ways he has done an incredibly good job. Our players still try hard. He has them out there trying to the best of their ability.”

Hey IDIOT: Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But those who never win and never quit are idiots (in this case, filthy rich idiots)

Q: Are you going to essentially fire yourself and hire a general manager?

A: “I call them themes. They (fans and customers) like to talk about different themes when things don’t go well. Part of being in this job, the good side of the coin is it shows the emotional connection the fans have with this football team.”

You call them THEMES??? We call them non-sequiturs, you senile old fart. Try addressing the problem instead of labeling the symptoms, and look up the definition of INSANITY.

[preyer]

would i let him run my company? i wouldn't let him run my carwash.

he makes money from parity, which guarantees every NFL team makes a profit. also, in effect he runs a monopoly ~ all team owners do.

blame the new stadium (cost: $458M) on idiots with voting power. bear in mind these are the same goombas that said no to riverboat casinos, yet flock en masse across the river and can't pisss away their money fast enough. we ohioans elected bush (shh. nobody tell anyone where we hid the *real* votes.) and we'd probably vote for taft again. the point is we gave him a new stadium despite the fact the 'old' one was still newer than the majority of schools in the system. you can see where our priorities (and intellect) are. still, there was supposed to have been performance expectations built into the stadium deal, as i recall. wanna know how to scare money out of ohioans? threaten to take away their high school football team. this works like you wouldn't believe. threatening to take away the bengals just proves hitler's point about the bigger the lie the more people will believe it.

so, yes, you or i could make money doing what MB does. the system is set up that way. that he makes money doesn't belie a particular talent. well, i guess you have to actually breathe. MB just does it with his mouth open. katie tells us we don't know how hard it is to run a football team, but i ask you, how hard is it to fail? continually? i think the hardest thing a person can do is admit they suck, eh? considering there's only been one constant lo these many, many losing years, and you'd think even a megliomaniac would come to the correct conclusion eventually.

[cincyhokie]

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"Everything is fine with the Bengals. We are ready to CRUSH our opponent every Sunday!"

That is an awesome comparison. What did they call that PR guy? Baghdad Bob?

We have our own Baghdad Brown.

[volcom69]

Its useless this team will never be good without the proper management, coaches, scouting department, we as fans will be screwed till the day we die. Hes happy with the effort, im not sure if hes watching the games im watching, but that one yesterday was horrible, and it looked to me like know one wanted to play (except Marvin White). As far as coaching, im not seeing a great teacher out there, some of these guys who could be talented, who could do great things seems to stay mediocore, and guys who play great for other teams suck here (take Odom for example). This team needs a huge makeover, and we will never see it. Thanks for the great years num nuts, cant wait for the next sucky years to come. Yipeeeeeeeeeee.

[BengalszoneBilly]

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"Everything is fine with the Bengals. We are ready to CRUSH our opponent every Sunday!"

Excellent comparison :lol:

[Bearcat1975]

add in the loot Mike Brown saved by cutting Rudi, Willie, and Deltha... and Mike Brown has done quite well for himself this year.

But you know what they say... "shame on them if they fool you once, shame on you if they fool you 18 times."

[Pidge]

Not to get oo into it and especially the socialism aspect but a closed league with revenue sharing means this can and will happen and will never change unless Mikey or whoever decide they'd like to win. As it is, they are good to go. Just exist and make a profit, no need to strive for excellence on the field.

The system works well but there's always a danger that a man completely devoid of a sense of shame ends up owning a franchise and voilà - the current Bengals are born.

[membengal]

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7334

Short version: Lewis stays, Chad stays, no GM, 2009 to be SSDY.

Ridiculously depressing. Not unexpected, obviously, but depressing all the same.

[gregstephens]

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"Everything is fine with the Bengals. We are ready to CRUSH our opponent every Sunday!"

Excellent comparison :lol:

It's Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House, shouting 'Remain calm! All is well!' while the crowd tramples him in panic.

[GregCook]

Not to get oo into it and especially the socialism aspect but a closed league with revenue sharing means this can and will happen and will never change unless Mikey or whoever decide they'd like to win. As it is, they are good to go. Just exist and make a profit, no need to strive for excellence on the field.

The system works well but there's always a danger that a man completely devoid of a sense of shame ends up owning a franchise and voilà - the current Bengals are born.

Mike Brown said some statements that are sheer delusional. To name one Mike Brown psychotic statement:

"The linebacker corps we thought that we would be playing with was (Keith) Rivers, Thurman and (David) Pollack. They are all gone, two for good." So when he drafted Rivers, he was counting on Pollack a full 18 months after he broke his neck? He further counted on Odell, even though he had been banned from the NFL in 2006, not to be reinstated by the NFL until early 2008?

Mike Brown is saying publically he counted on that threesome as his starting lineup when he drafted Rivers? A rookie, a drunk and a cripple?

There is more, he also said this

"He cited a team analysis done before the 2008 draft that showed from 2003 the 43 players the Bengals had drafted had played a total of 1,104 NFL games and started 525, ranking the Bengals 11th and 12th, respectively in the league in those categories."

A meaningless statistics for a team 1-10-1 if there ever was one. How many day 1 picks are still with the team? How many first round picks play like one? How many picks made the Pro Bowl? How many are still with the Bengals. He could ask those questions which would show the team can't draft, instead he quotes one metric that doesn't explain a record of 1-10-1.

Mike Brown went public with nonsense to justify his sorry record. This man lives in a place only Micheal Jackson can understand, fantasy land.

[Kazkal]

Not to get oo into it and especially the socialism aspect but a closed league with revenue sharing means this can and will happen and will never change unless Mikey or whoever decide they'd like to win. As it is, they are good to go. Just exist and make a profit, no need to strive for excellence on the field.

The system works well but there's always a danger that a man completely devoid of a sense of shame ends up owning a franchise and voilà - the current Bengals are born.

Well I think some of the pro's put it best Mike Brown Does want to win he's just too Loyal,Cheap and stupid to do what it takes.

[HoosierCat]

Years ago, Paul Daugherty did an interview with Brown in which he asked what his strategy for building a winning team was. Brown replied that, someday they would get the right collection of players together, and then they would win.

I've always referred to this as the "Tinkerbell Strategy," the idea that one day, a magic fairy will flutter down out of the sky, sprinkle pixie dust on the team and *poof* they're winners!

The Tinkerbell Strategy is on display throughout this interview, no matter how many times Hobson airbrushes Brown's quotes. Notice how nothing is anyone's fault? The front office? No GM needed there. The coaches? Why, they've done an incredibly good job! The players? They are still trying hard. So...why are we 1-10-1? Well, the magic fairy didn't show up this year, of course!

But buck up! There's always next year!

[TJJackson]

"Tinkerbell Strategy"

this is pretty much dead on.

the tinker bell thing can also be expressed as "even a blind squirrel will eventually get a nut". Son of a Genius is most certainly a blind squirrel, but the league will happily let him go on year after year trying to collect that nut.

S-o-a-G knows that the occasional fluke (ala 2005) will occur eventually, and the season ticket holders fear that the year they give up their tickets will be one of those fluke years, despite their obvious rarity

it is quite literally a captive audience, imprisoned by the own fear and the fact that they can come up with a few hundred dollars every year

[COB]

Years ago, Paul Daugherty did an interview with Brown in which he asked what his strategy for building a winning team was. Brown replied that, someday they would get the right collection of players together, and then they would win.

I've always referred to this as the "Tinkerbell Strategy," the idea that one day, a magic fairy will flutter down out of the sky, sprinkle pixie dust on the team and *poof* they're winners!

The Tinkerbell Strategy is on display throughout this interview, no matter how many times Hobson airbrushes Brown's quotes. Notice how nothing is anyone's fault? The front office? No GM needed there. The coaches? Why, they've done an incredibly good job! The players? They are still trying hard. So...why are we 1-10-1? Well, the magic fairy didn't show up this year, of course!

But buck up! There's always next year!

Good theory. Mike probably took statistics at Dartmouth or wherever he went to school. With the measures in place to bring about a competitive balance in the NFL, Mike probably believes that he will end up with a Super Bowl someday.

He's probably wrong. He'll keep tilting at windmills until he just runs out of steam. And by steam I mean breath. Mike is not exactly a spring chicken, and since he appears to have absolutely no sense of urgency that would prompt him to make changes, adapt, etc., he will just plain run out of time.

Also, no mention of an oxcart in that interview, though he did use the word "pillory", which was probably last used by someone who was driving an actual oxcart.

[Kazkal]

Hey I made it on Hobsons CHoice

Hobson's Choice: Beyond Palmer

December 2, 2008

In a discussion with Bengals.com and The Cincinnati Enquirer, Brown said Lewis had done some incredible work as his coach and "This thing would take a quantum leap forward if we just had Carson Palmer back on the field playing the way he can play."

Does Mike Brown even believe his own words coming from his mouth? We were 0-4 with Carson starting this year. Carson does make us a better team but if we can't protect him or block for our running backs we are still a 1-10-1 team. Kzfan, Newport, OR

KZFAN: The worst thing that can happen in the next month is to write off the offensive woes to "Carson got hurt." The erosion began before Ryan Fitzpatrick learned the offense. If there is anyone who knows the Bengals have scored two touchdowns or less in 23 of the last 28 games it is offensive proponent Mike Brown.

Brown knows all this. The maddest he's ever been may have been the morning back in August after Palmer got his nose broken in a pre-season game. He knows the sack numbers and he knows the yards per carry and unless I'm misreading the thing completely, he and Marvin both know there are more problems than the change in quarterback. It's not like they've been on a cruise to Tahiti since 2007. In those stretch of 28 games, the Bengals have averaged 19 points, 298 yards, and 3.6 yards per carry. In the 32 games of 2005 and 2006, it was 24.8, 355 and 4.0.

Why?

Have you got an afternoon?

We all know the reasons. The running game never recovered from losing center Richie Braham. Their deep receiving corps shriveled to injury and free agency. Chris Henry has done nothing since Roger Goodell suspended him for the first eight games of the 2007 season and has not been worth the angst and turbulence. Chad Ocho Cinco has been hurt, plus his long-ball opportunities ebb and flow with the running game. The pass protection, which always made them dangerous in the sack-happy AFC North, is a shell of itself with production dropping off from everyone involved.

It is obviously both scheme and personnel and it's obvious that losing Palmer is the biggest factor in the current malaise. But you're also right. It's just as obvious if they don't fix it, we'll be talking about another Carson Palmer body part (take your pick) a year from now instead of a playoff run.