Week 2: Bengals @ Chiefs

[gregcook68]

Looks to me like another 0-2 start.

I always thought the problem was PB, ESPECIALLY when he turned over most of the decisions to Katie, who produced 5 playoff wins in 2 years, the same amount of wins it took the franchise 52 years to produce.

However it’s still a mystery why they can’t produce any consistency year after year like Pitt and Baltimore?!?

 

[TJJackson]

silver lining:  we got our new punter now

yeah, thats all of it

anyone heard any updates on BJ Hill's injury yet?

[ArmyBengal]

Seeing where Higgins and Chase may not play Sunday.

Can we just move on from this?

Hate to say this but I really hope they are hurt or sick or whatever. If this is just some bullshit. They can shit can both of them.

Reinvest that money into a new o-line coach and new o-linemen.

[HoosierCat]

Higgins is still dealing with the hammy. Zac said he’d have an update on him, Jenkins and Mims Wednesday. I’m not expecting any of them but we’ll see.

Not seeing anything about Chase. Probably just betting site bs.

[AMPHAR]

Chase/Joe/Higgins all will benefit from a huge offensive production day.   Until that day happens the drama will continue.     You do have to be careful about what you are reading now a days because one of the annoyance's of sports betting are the click bait articles preying on sports gamblers.    You kinda have to wait for the injury reports.  

 

 

 

 

[ArmyBengal]

Yeah, the gambling aspect of the game these days is really fucking annoying to me as a non-betting fan.

[HoosierCat]

On 9/9/2024 at 2:24 PM, AMPHAR said:

Hard to defend Chase if any of that is true.  $36m per year average.  

So Rapien has some more details today.

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The two sides were close to an agreement, league sources say. In fact, the Bengals offered Chase a four-year, $140 million contract with $90 million guaranteed. That guaranteed money included a $30 million signing bonus.

Those raw numbers worked for Chase's camp, sources tell Bengals On SI. The lone snag in the agreement had to do with when guarantees would kick in.

Chase was willing to sign a four-year extension that would've put him under contract through the 2029 season, sources say. His camp wanted the guaranteed money and injury protections to kick in earlier in the deal. That's when talks broke down.

Essentially, the two sides couldn't agree on when Chase's guarantees would vest (become fully guaranteed).

The Bengals' offer pushed it down the line (2027), which would protect the franchise over the next few seasons. Meanwhile, Chase didn't have the assurance of guarantees early in the contract, which puts him at risk if he were to suffer a serious injury.

 

I can honestly see both sides here. Trying to wait until 2027 to give Chase the bulk of the guarantees is pushing it a bit. OTOH This would give Chase around $55 million this year and next, all of which is actually or effectively guaranteed, which ain't pocket change. Sucks they couldn't close the gap.

[ArmyBengal]

Haven’t these fuckers ever heard of meeting in the middle?

[AMPHAR]

 Hard to really see Chases side of things, IMO.

Without the seeing details he'd be around $90m for 2024,25, and 26 seasons.  Status quo would get him $50m      JJ would collect more in the first 3 years but less overall. 

Not really understanding Chase's strategy.   Doesn't seem like a whole lot to gain while risking a bunch.

 

[HoosierCat]

4 minutes ago, AMPHAR said:

 Hard to really see Chases side of things, IMO.

Without the seeing details he'd be around $90m for 2024,25, and 26 seasons.  Status quo would get him $50m      JJ would collect more in the first 3 years but less overall. 

Not really understanding Chase's strategy.   Doesn't seem like a whole lot to gain while risking a bunch.

 

It's tough to say without a year by year breakdown. Is the $60 million they want to guarantee in 2027 all that's left, so it's just like all guaranteed salary? Or it that $60 million a second bonus and there's $30-40 million or whatever in non-guaranteed money in those last three years too? The Bengals trying to push the guarantees to 2027 makes me think the latter is the case. That would give the Bengals an out year in 2027, when instead of guaranteeing his coin they could cut him for a $15 million dead money charge.

[COB]

The date of the guarantee vesting - that was the thing they couldn’t agree upon.  

[ArmyBengal]

If the Bengals could miracle their ass to a win this week, fans will be quick to forget last week.

I want to be hopeful, but I’m not.

Color me the doubting Thomas.

[WelshBengal]

I think there is more to this wrist injury not healing properly shit because burrow was sure shy of pushing the ball down the field.  I just have no idea why this team starts so slow, its like its ingrained in them to just go ah fuck it its only week 1.  I also read Taylor was going to give up more of the play calling duties, sure as shit looked to me like he was calling the plays.

[AMPHAR]

1 hour ago, HoosierCat said:

It's tough to say without a year by year breakdown. Is the $60 million they want to guarantee in 2027 all that's left, so it's just like all guaranteed salary? Or it that $60 million a second bonus and there's $30-40 million or whatever in non-guaranteed money in those last three years too? The Bengals trying to push the guarantees to 2027 makes me think the latter is the case. That would give the Bengals an out year in 2027, when instead of guaranteeing his coin they could cut him for a $15 million dead money charge.

Its hard to understanding his thinking.

1. Current -  He can get $1m or $30m (already been paid roster bonus $3m)

2. Next  year - He can get $21m or another $30m.    So $60m vs. $22m

3. Year 3 a little murky without details.  But the new money is avp $35m.   

So he's looking at $90-$95m the next 3 years or $47m.    That 3 year range is in with CeeDee and JJ.   Plus he'll have more total money.

What's the fucking problem?  Running around on the field risking that much difference to gain what exactly? 

Chase being let go in 2027 would benefit him IF he is among the best still.   At that point he'd have $70m remaining with 27,28,29 seasons to go.  He probably beats that.

I don't get running around on the field with injury risk when you are looking at instant $29m bump and accumulative potential $40-$45m bump the next 3 years.    What's to gain exactly?   His market won't drastically reset higher.  There's more risk it goes down.

[HoosierCat]

26 minutes ago, AMPHAR said:

Its hard to understanding his thinking.

1. Current -  He can get $1m or $30m (already been paid roster bonus $3m)

2. Next  year - He can get $21m or another $30m.    So $60m vs. $22m

3. Year 3 a little murky without details.  But the new money is avp $35m.   

So he's looking at $90-$95m the next 3 years or $47m.    That 3 year range is in with CeeDee and JJ.   Plus he'll have more total money.

What's the fucking problem?  Running around on the field risking that much difference to gain what exactly? 

Chase being let go in 2027 would benefit him IF he is among the best still.   At that point he'd have $70m remaining with 27,28,29 seasons to go.  He probably beats that.

I don't get running around on the field with injury risk when you are looking at instant $29m bump and accumulative potential $40-$45m bump the next 3 years.    What's to gain exactly?   His market won't drastically reset higher.  There's more risk it goes down.

Yeah, if Chase stands to make $90-95 million in starting this year through 2026, he ought to take it. I just don't know that's the case.

The Bengals have reportedly offered him $140 million in new money, split into three pots: a $30 million signing bonus in 2024, and then beginning in 2026, $50 million in non-guaranteed coin, and then in 2027, $60 million guaranteed money.

To put it another way, he is being offered a four-year deal worth $110 million total starting in 2026, with no guarantees until 2027.

If he signs it, he gets $30 million this year and...something in 2025. I assume it's at least the $22 million he's already guaranteed.

What's 2026? We don't know. If it's $35 million, yeah, take the money and run. If it's, say, $12.5 million because the non-guaranteed coin is split equally over four years as salary? I probably still do it (who am I kidding, I'd do it for 10% of that!) but maybe he doesn't. And that leaves nearly $100 million on the table if the Bengals cut him before the 2027 guarantees kick in.

 

[HoosierCat]

Wednesday injury report:

DNP Higgins, Jenkins, Logan Wilson, Tanner Hudson 

Limited Mims, Hill

Full Burrow

 

[glasgowbengal]

Just watched today’s presser and Burrow looks utterly depressed 

[ArmyBengal]

Higgins and Wilson being out might be the nails in the coffin. I vaguely remember conversation about linebacker depth, but that might have been a long time ago…

[volcom69]

3 hours ago, glasgowbengal said:

Just watched today’s presser and Burrow looks utterly depressed 

This is what I don’t understand, why is he and others so depressed? Just a few years ago they were dancing in the locker rooms, and now looks like they don’t even want to be there. So not sure what’s going on but hopefully everyone’s MoJo comes back lol.

[volcom69]

Can Taylor Britt talking stuff on the Chiefs this week lol. I’m all about it, however I’m not sure this team is ready to talk that just yet lol. Guess will see how it goes this weekend 

[HoosierCat]

Thursday report:

Did Not Practice: Higgins (hamstring), Kris Jenkins (knee)

Limited: Amarius Mims (pectoral), Wilson (knee), Tanner Hudson (knee)

Full: Joe Burrow (wrist), B.J. Hill (knee), Zack Moss (neck)

im assuming the “knee” for Jenkins is a typo.

[AMPHAR]

I'm thinking Bengals this week with the win.

 

 

 

[ArmyBengal]

1 hour ago, AMPHAR said:

I'm thinking Bengals this week with the win.

So you found a good dealer then?

[HoosierCat]

Jenkins officially out. Higgins and Hudson listed as doubtful but were DNP all week so, yeah. Mims also doubtful after limited work all week.

Stone (back) and Sample (biceps) popped up on the report today, both limited.

[TJJackson]

also Jackson Carman is still not on the team