HoosierCat Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 This could be ugly, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Dehner published an absolute takedown of the Bengals week one debacle. I don’t know if I can link it here since it’s in the Athletic. On the Chase contract situation: “Then there’s the loss of a life-changing contract for Chase, who instead of agreeing to a deal he himself said represented the club bending over backward for him, passed on it, to play out the season and take on all the risks that come with it in hopes of making more in 2025.” https://apple.news/AR48eJ8NoRc6SnfMb5SMndA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Time to get that hard hat on grab a shovel and keep on digging!!!!! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Time to run on our own gas! Chase really needs a huge day. Talk about a PR disaster for him. He admits the organization is there on $$$ just need to move some things. Combined with the leaks that the contract would make him the highest paid and he comes off as a diva the whole weekend. So your mad at the organization for trying to make you the highest paid WR 2 years early? Then you throw up 64 yards. He really could use an elite day in KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, COB said: Dehner published an absolute takedown of the Bengals week one debacle. I don’t know if I can link it here since it’s in the Athletic. Here's a link: https://archive.ph/aBH3X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Really the whole team needs to be better, the coaches need to be better. They need to start scheming there star guys better so they can get the ball. Burrow needs to be a hell of a lot better, he plays so scared and timid, always looking down at the rush instead of looking down the field. Throw the ball deep every now and then! Need a run game maybe that would help the long passes! This offense needs to find its identity again, same thing like other years. The defense well not really sure what to say about them, I think they are going to struggle all season, but guess time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 I don't know if anyone else watched the postgame press conferences yesterday, but I thought Taylor looked like a beaten man and Burrow sounded like he was channeling Marvin. I have no confidence in either of them atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 13 minutes ago, HoosierCat said: I don't know if anyone else watched the postgame press conferences yesterday, but I thought Taylor looked like a beaten man and Burrow sounded like he was channeling Marvin. I have no confidence in either of them atm. Locker room drama? Nobody taking leadership? Who knows sounds like a lot of divas in the locker room. A lot of guys for themselves, and not for the team. There’s a lot of talent, and to look that bad is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Schemes only go so far. People accept a bad O-line so much its not looked at a critical factor. Fans and especially local meida don't like to say bad things about Joe Burrow. They ran 48 plays. This is directly related failures on 3rd down and the occasional 4th down attempt. I'll wait for the All-22 break downs but I believe 2 of the sacks came on 3rd down and they threw short of the markers multiple times that did not convert into 1st downs. NFL rules are pretty clear you have 4 downs to gain 10 or you don't get anymore plays. They can't feed the ball to any one particular player running 48 plays. The OL is an accepted failure, fans are tired of harping on it. 3rd down is a QB's down and Burrow flat out didn't get it done while probably facing pressure on most of them. Factor in 2 TOs and poor soft tackling allowing the Pats to grind off time before they punt and the game flips pretty easily. The NFL isn't SEC vs. OVC. You give any NFL team those advantages historically you lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 The Pats game seemed like a mirror image of last year's home opener vs. Ravens. Inconsistent on O. Turnovers. Inability to score early allows the running team to play their way. Lou's defense has never been a lock down defense top 10 yardage, I don't think. It seems like its always been Bend/Don't break - tighten up in red zone. Fine. His defenses have had big moments. But in a game were the offense can't sustain drives that defensive reality just dooms them over the game. Then you put the ball on the ground on a punt return. Bengals 4 drives in the 2nd half. 2 scoring. The 2 non scoring they threw the ball short of the markers on 3rd or 4th down. 1 was a 4th and 2 and they threw a 1 yard pass. I hate to point to the finger at Joe Burrow but on a 3rd and 10 are WRs not open down field to target, the best option is a 5 yard pass to a RB. Then again 1 yard pass to WR on a 4th and 2. Is the protection breaking down so fast? Guys not open? Missing open guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 Burrow was bad yesterday. You won't get any argument from me about that. I watched Liscow & Goodberry's postgame show and I think they said PFF had Joe pressured on like 27% of his dropbacks -- so the oline actually seems to have held up decently (except for Cappa who might be physically done). Jake was going to wait to watch the film but his impression was that Joe was at least half at fault for all the sacks due to holding the ball too long. So yeah, I don't know if he's seeing ghosts or just doesn't have his head in the game or just trying to do too much or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Cappa to the bench, Brown from ORT to ORG, Mims to ORT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Yea when Mims is healthy I want to see him play now! Same thing with Burton let him play, the guy was catching everything his way, let him play. I get so tired of them not letting the young guys play till it to late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 Ford is the backup RG so if they were to make a change that’s the least disruptive. Mims, Jenkins, Higgins, could have used all of them yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, HoosierCat said: Burrow was bad yesterday. You won't get any argument from me about that. I watched Liscow & Goodberry's postgame show and I think they said PFF had Joe pressured on like 27% of his dropbacks -- so the oline actually seems to have held up decently (except for Cappa who might be physically done). Jake was going to wait to watch the film but his impression was that Joe was at least half at fault for all the sacks due to holding the ball too long. So yeah, I don't know if he's seeing ghosts or just doesn't have his head in the game or just trying to do too much or what. Just saw on the last play Burrow had single high safety and a play down the field to an open/semi open guy, but instead he panicked and threw it underneath to the RB. Man sometimes Burrow looks like an all-pro and the next it looks like he so scared to be standing back there. To me there is something going on in his head, either the trust in his guys, his wrist bothering him, or he is just not who we thought he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 I made the comment in the Patriots thread that I felt that Burrow is one of those QB's that makes the guys around him better. He still probably is that guy, but it sure as shit wasn't that way yesterday. He didn't look like he had his head in the game all day. He looked lost at times and maybe the frustration just got the best of him. When guys drop TD's and fumble at the goal line, that's a tough pill. However, like AMPHAR noted, so is being so poor at converting 3rd down's and 4th and short. Just baffling to see those plays. Anarumo's "Bend but don't break" needs revisiting. They broke. This team is lacking at the DE spot in being able to get Hubbard and T-Rex a breather. Ossai was the only one giving a breather, with Henry getting 2 snaps. They are really missing any production and help they need to be getting from Myles Murphy. Then there's DJ Turner getting 3 snaps, while Jordan Battle took zero. I'm not getting their RB approach either. While saying Brown was the better receiver of the two and going to get more opportunities, it didn't play out that way. Brown only got in on 17 offensive plays and had 3 carries for the game. He was targeted 3 times and grabbed all three for 12 yards total. Moss was targeted 4 times, while catching 2 but did slightly more with 17 yards. Granted, when you go 4-11 on 3rd down conversions, that limits things. What about Gesicki? Hated that the ball came out on that catch, but that was a hard landing for sure. Have to hold onto that one. That being said, on a day, where you are missing your #2 WR and have a #1 WR that has not practiced, don't you think you'd have your best pass catching TE in the game more? Nope, Gesicki only was in on 18 offensive plays and targeted only on 4 of those. So they started the season with a total of 4 combined reps taken by all four of their, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Burton owned all 4. They got a combined 3 reps taken from their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks from last year. DJ Turner owned all 3. Thankfully, Dax and CBT, along with Carter took a large amount from the 2022 1-3 round picks. From 2021, we got reps, but little from Chase, Carman is no longer with the team and Ossai with 13 reps. So they are getting next to no production from the majority of their 1-3 round picks over the last 4 drafts. That just can't happen. Oh yeah, if they play like that again, the Chiefs will blow them out. Calling it at 17 point loss as of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 I thought this had some good observations, especially: Quote We saw the Bengals offense operate more efficiently last season after Burrow went down with a season-ending injury because they actually attempted to be balanced, including going under center more, because that creates more opportunities for big plays down the field. Some wondered if that would pay dividends this season upon Burrow’s return, but it comes as little surprise that it didn’t in Week 1 because Burrow doesn’t like going under center, and the coaching staff apparently lacks the will to convince him of the value of doing so. Yes, this, a thousand times, this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 27 minutes ago, ArmyBengal said: So they started the season with a total of 4 combined reps taken by all four of their, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Burton owned all 4. They got a combined 3 reps taken from their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks from last year. DJ Turner owned all 3. Thankfully, Dax and CBT, along with Carter took a large amount from the 2022 1-3 round picks. From 2021, we got reps, but little from Chase, Carman is no longer with the team and Ossai with 13 reps. So they are getting next to no production from the majority of their 1-3 round picks over the last 4 drafts. That just can't happen. Good observation right there. They need these guys to produce and it’s not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 We all wondered about what we saw after Burrow went down last year and if that would continue come 2024... Fucking nope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 minute ago, HoosierCat said: They need these guys to produce and it’s not happening. Thinking about it further, that's a total of 13 players (since they had two 3rds this year). What should amount to damn near 60% of your starting roster. Again, can't happen. No team can survive that number being nullified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgowbengal Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 3 hours ago, volcom69 said: Yea when Mims is healthy I want to see him play now! Same thing with Burton let him play, the guy was catching everything his way, let him play. I get so tired of them not letting the young guys play till it to late Burton will play once he manages hold the playbook the right way up. As an absurd aside - Someone just told me that a certain disastrous Bengals 4th round pick, from Ohio State, started at G for NE yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Quote What about Gesicki? Hated that the ball came out on that catch, but that was a hard landing for sure. Have to hold onto that one. That being said, on a day, where you are missing your #2 WR and have a #1 WR that has not practiced, don't you think you'd have your best pass catching TE in the game more? I said this before the season. If they are not running 70 plays a game this is the problem you'll run into. Its up to Joe to convert 3rds. He couldn't and as a result could only run 48 plays. He just wasn't good and if the pressure numbers are correct then it looks even worse. However, I think 2 sacks came on 3rd downs. But if you are only running 48 plays you can't run all these guys in and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 A little more detail today on everyone’s favorite subject, Ja’marr’s bank account. Quote On his podcast, NFL Spotlight, The 33rd Team’s Ari Meirov detailed what prevented the team and Chase from committing long-term. “They tried Friday night. They even tried on Saturday into Saturday night, and they continued into Sunday morning, actually,” said Meirov. “They could not bridge the gap. It just was not happening. There were numbers they couldn’t figure out. There was a cash-flow issue. There was a years issue. The APY (average salary per year) was fine. It would have surpassed Justin Jefferson, but everything else was not there.” Meirov also added that the average annual value of the contract was in the $36 million range, which Chase’s camp was fine with, but they struggled with other aspects of the deal and ultimately were not able to close the gap. When Meirov mentioned a “years issue,” he does not give much more detail, but it is safe to assume the Bengals wanted a four-year extension, while Chase likely only wanted a three-year deal. “Cash-flow” issues could relate to guarantees, signing bonuses, or (as has been widely speculated) the Bengals' actual cash fluidity. Doesn’t sound like we can really fault the FO here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregcook68 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 3 hours ago, ArmyBengal said: We all wondered about what we saw after Burrow went down last year and if that would continue come 2024... Fucking nope. Didn’t he have a laundry list of injuries through high school and college? Makes no difference how good you are if you’re not on the field. The Don Gullett of the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Hard to defend Chase if any of that is true. $36m per year average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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