AMPHAR Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 There's other issues that are big factors to make a dome a smart move, IMO. The people of Cincinnati always overlook reality. They are surrounded by better cities in terms of big event hosts. Indy has a ton of other events that boost their hotel and airport. Louisville does too. Nashville. When your talking big events that make a dome worth it. Its hard to get past CVG and its state post Delta. The lack of hotels. Then the convention center. These are big issues to consider before dropping more money on a dome. Not impossible but it'd be hard luring the Big 10 champ game out of Indy. Cincinnati will never have the KY derby month or Indy 500 2 months, state fairs and other stuff that make the investment in massive hotel expansion worth it completely. Although there are some new ones planned in NKY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I agree with that as well. Start somewhere though. The extra revenue from one will help build the others. Typically when that type of investment is made you see that city hosting a Super Bowl. They are years scheduled out already so that would allow time for the other improvements to take place sooner. My thought is it has to start somewhere. It doesn’t have to be the stadium but since that is something that has to be addressed, it sounds just as good as any other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I'd think you'd have to knock down Paycor and start over. Lucas Oil connects to the convention center. Patrons can walk from convention floor to the 50 yard line underground through one of the endzones in about 10 minutes. Although, I don't think they'll ever get another Superbowl in Indy. Their set up was great. Lucas Oil is versatile. Cincinnati and a dome? I think they'd have to include massive plans for Convention Center/Hotel space. Connect it to the riverfront, because that's the best thing Cincinnati has over Indy, IMO. They'd also need to have a solution for the Coliseum. All these events have some sort of fan fest/convention tied to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 As much as I hate the idea of taxpayers funding large portions, this is something I could get behind when considering linking in more of the city and the economic impact it would bring. Tear down Paycor and just start fresh. Something about potential problems when adding something to a structure that wasn't originally built for that purpose that just makes me question that approach. Obviously, I'm not some structural engineer, so I could be way off there. Also, I think about what the Bears stadium looked like when trying to do an update last time. The whole spaceship landing on the old stadium always looked stupid to me and now they too are looking at something brand new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Yeah, it would have to be a whole new facility, the cost of which I suspect is why the Bengals are so resistant to the idea whenever it's raised. They don't want to pay and/or assume debt on the level it would take to build a dome, even with increased public funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I think it was mentioned before, but I agree with the thought of it being scaled back considering it's Cincinnati. I love Cincinnati, but we are not an Atlanta or Los Angles. We don't need those massive mega structures. Keep it mid west feeling, similar to the likes of Lucas Oil Stadium, which cost $720 million in 2008. Granted that number is going to be higher in 2024, but we don't need massive and glamourous. Give me functional and multi-use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AMPHAR Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 County can sell whatever it wants to Joe Public. The Bengals are probably like this is all we need for now. I can fully understand why they don't get caught in the dome request because in order to get all the glitz and glam events there are several major hurdles which are airport (County can't ever fix that), Hotels (there isn't a State fair, KY Derby or Indy 500 every year to spurn investment), Convention Center, and Coliseum (should get X or UC to commit their seasons down there). County sells the dome on the backs of the Bengals and doesn't do a good enough job in all the other factors then it becomes a political football. Hello Todd Opertune (RIP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I'm just talking from the what if's perspective, not what I think has a chance in hell of happening. "IF" they wanted to take the approach of of building a new domed stadium (they won't) I'm good with that. "IF" they wanted to work on connecting that with a restructured downtown (they won't) I'm good with that. "IF" they wanted to work public funding into the above thoughts (THEY WOULD) I'm good with that as well. If nothing comes of it, I couldn't care less. Again, I'm one of the ones who likes going to football games in the elements. If it's a matter of arguing the point, I will leave that to others here more interested than I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 As far as cost, right now I would say you would be looking at a range of between $1 billion (the inflation-adjusted costs of Lucas Oil) and $2.4 billion (the estimated cost of the facility the Browns proposed building in Brook Park in August). Note that doesn't include Paycor demo costs. And again, that's right now. You have to figure it would take a couple years to plan, design, get financing etc., and a couple more years to build, so those costs will rise. I wouldn't expect it to get done for less than $1.5 billion and honestly they'd probably be lucky to hold it below $2 billion. Given that the Bengals and the county can't settle on how much each side will pay for the $700 million-ish package of upgrades currently on the table, a sum two or three times that amount is a non-starter, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Browns are leaving Cleveland....again! Dome in area know as Brookpark out by the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Then there's also the talk about how much the state may or may not be willing to chip in on costs for the two cities as well. Again, don't care, but that conversation has been out there for a little bit since renovation conversations started. Yeah, keeping it under 2 billion will be a struggle IMO. I also don't know how long the builders, city, team, etc expected PayCor to last when it was planned, but Riverfront was almost 30. Seeing as how we are 6 years out from there, maybe that's the best plan. Do minor things to keep Paycor up, while planning out. Who knows? I do like the speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Another consideration is that the lease doesn't expire until 2026, with the Bengals able to implement 5 two year extensions if I read that correctly. I have no idea how all of that is considered when planning something of that magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Riverfront probably could have lasted with a renovation. We'll never know because Marge/Brown didn't see eye to eye on the value of stadium clubs, luxury boxes etc. Also the days of MLB/NFL teams sharing stadiums was quickly going away. So the county used the Bengals immediate threat to usher in a new Reds stadium as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, AMPHAR said: Browns are leaving Cleveland....again! Dome in area know as Brookpark out by the airport. Yeah, I saw that today. Lol. Unfortunately for them the first time resulted it Modell’s Law, which among other things would force ownership to put the team up for sale to local buyers (including the city and area residents) for six months ahead of any move. Pass the popcorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 Modell Law isn't an issue. The reality is any new ownership group to get approved will have to have a stadium plan. So if that is some Public entity they will need that money which is half a billion to 3 billion. Then they will need probably 6 or 7 billion to buy the team. That's before any legal issues. The bigger issue and fight will be the sin tax money. City already saying its theirs. But I'm sure county will fight that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 Can you imagine being a builder, a general contractor. You bid on Cincinnati’s new (hypothetical) stadium and you get it. Mike Brown is in charge of the project and you have to negotiate every change order, every material substitution, every schedule change, with him. You’d be smiling as you jumped off a bridge somewhere. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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