Bengals Want to Extend Marvin

[HoosierCat]

However, Lewis seems to be in no particular hurry to do a deal.

/>http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/24/2821817/mike-brown-has-already-approached-marvin-lewis-about-extending-his

Interesting. I can think of any number of reasons Marvin might be dragging his feet.

[ArmyBengal]

I can't say as I do or don't care much about this news.

I'm left feeling very whateverish...

[Spor_tees]

I can't say as I do or don't care much about this news.

I'm left feeling very whateverish...

There is one thing to take from that article and what Marvin said that leads to an argument we previously had on this board. Marvin makes it VERY clear that last year he started to get more say in the decision making process of team, and that there is more of an attitude towards making a winning team.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

10 years, 3 winning season, no playoff wins...my God who else gets that kind of luxury in the NFL? Only in loser town USA - there literally is no other place for a suck-up to "succeed" than Cincinati.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

10 years, 3 winning season, no playoff wins...my God who else gets that kind of luxury in the NFL? Only in loser town USA - there literally is no other place for a suck-up to "succeed" than Cincinati.

This is 'Be careful what you wish for' territory. What coach, better than Marvin, would come work for Mike Brown? Best case scenario is you get a second-tier assistant, or (worse) a re-tread head coach like Wade Philips with a crappier HC track record than Marvin. Worst case scenario is you get a complete loser like your namesake.

Marvin has his faults. He's a terrible in-game decision maker, to the point that I would take Bill Simmons' (ESPN) suggestion that the team hire a 14-year-old Madden expert to make all situational decisions. He doesn't appear to be the defensive genius he was billed as. However, Marvin is a steady hand on the wheel, and has usually managed to hold his teams together despite being handed a whole lot of cast-offs and rejects by Mikey. He runs a fairly tight organization. Basically, the improvement Marvin has brought is that he runs the Bengals like a modern football team, and he doesn't let the players walk on him.

That makes him better than anything else we've seen since Wyche, and better than anything we're likely to see going forward. So long live the king, and extend him so he isn't a lame duck.

[COB]

10 years, 3 winning season, no playoff wins...my God who else gets that kind of luxury in the NFL? Only in loser town USA - there literally is no other place for a suck-up to "succeed" than Cincinati.

In the last 7 years, only 10 NFL teams have made the playoffs 3 times or more. The Bengals are one of those teams. Is a 42% playoff appearance rate any good? I know I have picked a pretty self-serving sample, the last 7 years, but it's our most recent history, and Marvin has been the coach the whole time.

The Bengals have improved in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, during that time they were in a division with two juggernaut programs. Those two teams won't last forever. They may both be in decline right now. To just keep firing coaches every couple years because they can't beat the Ravens and the Steelers consistently is to condemn yourself to constant rebuild mode and permanant suck. See the Cleveland Browns for an example.

I like what the Bengals did better. Keep a proven coach, improve through the draft, build a team so that when Pitt and Baltimore begin to slide, you are sitting there with a good team that can give them a good hard push down the hill.

To just churn coaches in the hope that you'll find one who has some magic formula that can turn the previous coach's players into winners when the guy who picked them couldn't, just doesn't work.

[BengalszoneBilly]

10 years, 3 winning season, no playoff wins...my God who else gets that kind of luxury in the NFL? Only in loser town USA - there literally is no other place for a suck-up to "succeed" than Cincinati.

In the last 7 years, only 10 NFL teams have made the playoffs 3 times or more. The Bengals are one of those teams. Is a 42% playoff appearance rate any good? I know I have picked a pretty self-serving sample, the last 7 years, but it's our most recent history, and Marvin has been the coach the whole time.

The Bengals have improved in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, during that time they were in a division with two juggernaut programs. Those two teams won't last forever. They may both be in decline right now. To just keep firing coaches every couple years because they can't beat the Ravens and the Steelers consistently is to condemn yourself to constant rebuild mode and permanant suck. See the Cleveland Browns for an example.

I like what the Bengals did better. Keep a proven coach, improve through the draft, build a team so that when Pitt and Baltimore begin to slide, you are sitting there with a good team that can give them a good hard push down the hill.

To just churn coaches in the hope that you'll find one who has some magic formula that can turn the previous coach's players into winners when the guy who picked them couldn't, just doesn't work.

Here's my problem with Marvin. He challenges plays that have no business being challenged. Play calling tends to be predictable. Wasting time outs has become a bad habit. His control of the locker room isn't what I'd put on a resume'. I hate to be a buzz killer, but there it is.

[ArmyBengal]

We could do worse than Marvin, but at the same time what's to say we don't have someone (Zimmer or Gruden in time) on the staff that wouldn't be able to replicate what we've gotten from Marvin ?? Gruden may well be gone before that chance comes and Zimmer will have to get a shot sooner or later. I agree with the idea of who are we going to get that works well with Mike Brown ?? It's why i'm still very much neither here nor there in regards to whether he stays or goes.

I'm still very whateverish...

[BengalszoneBilly]

We could do worse than Marvin, but at the same time what's to say we don't have someone (Zimmer or Gruden in time) on the staff that wouldn't be able to replicate what we've gotten from Marvin ?? Gruden may well be gone before that chance comes and Zimmer will have to get a shot sooner or later. I agree with the idea of who are we going to get that works well with Mike Brown ?? It's why i'm still very much neither here nor there in regards to whether he stays or goes.

I'm still very whateverish...

Personally I'd like to see Mike make Marvin the GM. If anyone could land that job in Cincy, it's him. Lewis is pushing the 10 year mark as head coach of the Bengals. I won't deny the improvement in the success of the organization, but he's seemed to hit the wall of playoff wins. Three times in and walks away empty handed.

OTOH Cowher spent many seasons as the HC in Pittsburgh before he struck gold. We're obviously at the tipping point.

[volcom69]

10 years, 3 winning season, no playoff wins...my God who else gets that kind of luxury in the NFL? Only in loser town USA - there literally is no other place for a suck-up to "succeed" than Cincinati.

In the last 7 years, only 10 NFL teams have made the playoffs 3 times or more. The Bengals are one of those teams. Is a 42% playoff appearance rate any good? I know I have picked a pretty self-serving sample, the last 7 years, but it's our most recent history, and Marvin has been the coach the whole time.

The Bengals have improved in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, during that time they were in a division with two juggernaut programs. Those two teams won't last forever. They may both be in decline right now. To just keep firing coaches every couple years because they can't beat the Ravens and the Steelers consistently is to condemn yourself to constant rebuild mode and permanant suck. See the Cleveland Browns for an example.

I like what the Bengals did better. Keep a proven coach, improve through the draft, build a team so that when Pitt and Baltimore begin to slide, you are sitting there with a good team that can give them a good hard push down the hill.

To just churn coaches in the hope that you'll find one who has some magic formula that can turn the previous coach's players into winners when the guy who picked them couldn't, just doesn't work.

Here's my problem with Marvin. He challenges plays that have no business being challenged. Play calling tends to be predictable. Wasting time outs has become a bad habit. His control of the locker room isn't what I'd put on a resume'. I hate to be a buzz killer, but there it is.

I thought he did a better job this year with his guys, when Chad and others were here, he let them run the show. Marvin seemed so soft, and let guys do as they wanted to do, and did nothing about it. This year i thought he did a better job of that. He is a good coach, but he is far from a great coach.

I think this next year will say alot! They have stated that they will not go after any big name free agents, and stick to young guys that they have like Mays, Sands, Hudson, Boling, Binns! I think there is such a thing as being to young, and feel they should mix some vet players in here, im not talking breaking the bank, but get a couple decent guys that can start. So i think this year will tell alot about Marvin as a coach, because if they stay this young, and this team goes backwards instead of fowards, then we will know where Marvin stands.

[ArmyBengal]

Here we go with Hudson again. Force feed us a name that is sure to make an improvement this season while leading us to believe we don't need FA help (even though we have the money) only to see that player not be able to replace the sh*tbags we currently have on the roster. I'm getting sick of that particular song and dance. Always hoping to see players improve, but THIS if not any other season is the one to actually spend some of the money they have and get fans back in the seats.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I thought he did a better job this year with his guys, when Chad and others were here,

I was not impressed. He made mistakes a HC with his tenure should never had made. Kick him upstairs and give Zimmer a shot.

[volcom69]

I thought he did a better job this year with his guys, when Chad and others were here,

I was not impressed. He made mistakes a HC with his tenure should never had made. Kick him upstairs and give Zimmer a shot.

I agree I think he should have been gone after 06 but they keep giving him chances. I doubt he moves upstairs but if he fails this year with a team now that he built then it's time to go

[cHaD711Johnson]

Be careful what you wish for. I didn't even know that we were one of 10 teams to make the playoffs 3 times in the last 7 years.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I thought he did a better job this year with his guys, when Chad and others were here,

I was not impressed. He made mistakes a HC with his tenure should never had made. Kick him upstairs and give Zimmer a shot.

I agree I think he should have been gone after 06 but they keep giving him chances. I doubt he moves upstairs but if he fails this year with a team now that he built then it's time to go

Am I the only guy here who gets this? Yea! The draft. Yea! Free agency. It doesn't mean squat if the coaching staff isn't up to the job. You dudes can play all the games you want in the off season. Doesn't mean s**t. Talk about this prospect, or that prospect... so what?

Good coaching is what wins championships, and the Bengals do not have it. Not at the level it needs to be.

[ArmyBengal]

Don't go raining on my parade Billy, don't you do it...

F*cking killjoy !!!

[BengalszoneBilly]

Don't go raining on my parade Billy, don't you do it...

F*cking killjoy !!!

Don't worry. I enjoy the draft as much as anyone Mark. Well, maybe not like you and a few others here, but it's something to talk about.

My take this April is we need to bolster the offensive line and the defensive backfield. After that the LB and RB positions. We're lucky the Bengals got Dalton and A.J. last year. Those two are the catalyst for a very promising offense.

[ArmyBengal]

Don't go raining on my parade Billy, don't you do it...

F*cking killjoy !!!

Don't worry. I enjoy the draft as much as anyone Mark. Well, maybe not like you and a few others here, but it's something to talk about.

My take this April is we need to bolster the offensive line and the defensive backfield. After that the LB and RB positions. We're lucky the Bengals got Dalton and A.J. last year. Those two are the catalyst for a very promising offense.

I know Billy, I was just taking the chance to poke a little.

I know what you are saying about Marvin as well and why I have taken the whole "whateverish" stance. This coming season is going to be big for him I think. If the team doesn't get back to the playoffs after last season, two first round picks, and a buttload of cash to fill holes with quality players, it will be looked at as a huge failure in my mind.

[Scottishbengal]

Hmmmmmm.......I want to like Marvin, I want him to be a success, but I just don't know if he has it in him. His clock-management, time outs, and red flags are agonising!

I think I'm more in the camp of keep him (not necessarily extend him) just to add the continuity to proceedings.

I feel Pitts and Balt are on the slide, the Bengals are on the rise .....one more season for Marvin to make a cast iron statement that he can do the job, that he can win a post season game otherwise it's time to move on with Zimmer, Gruden or Jackson up for the HC gig.

PS ...Marvin ....do something positive in Free Agency .....it'll make the draft work so much better!!!!

[derekshank]

Marvin reverted to some bad habits in the playoff game... and I think that's what sticks out because it was the last thing we saw. But Marvin's bad clock management was mostly a thing of the past in 2011.

Marvin is a defensive minded coach, so it's not a surprise to me that managing the clock is a point of weakness. That's not an area that defensive coaches need to manage very often. My suspicion is that it was more Bratkowski... and Gruden came in and cleaned things up.

As for the challenges - they stick out because he is 0-4 in the last two playoff games. But he actually has a better than average challenge percentage than the league as a whole over his career.

It does seem like his philosophy seems to change when it's a playoff game, and he's willing to take more risks with challenges... but at the same time, all coaches rely on advice from the booth in those situations. I'm inclined to think that Lewis would not throw the flag if the guy in the booth tells him there is no way it would be overturned. So I'm more inclined to ask, who is the guy giving Marvin replay advice... and can we get that guy fired?