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I do agree he does some things well. Negotiations very well may be one of those things. The point is that it hasn't translated to the number one reason we follow the Bengals. We want to see them win and win consistently. That hasn't happened and I don't believe that bad luck for the last 20 plus years has alot to do with it.

Here's my biggest problem with the "winning" rant. It's like a trump card that defeats everything without regards to logic or timing or strategy. More specifically, it bulldozes any debate without any consideration given to logic or circumstance. Granted, Mike Brown's record taint's everything Bengal related, including the question of whether Palmer should be traded. But by the same token it's not something Mike Brown is going to consider when debating every question he faces. He'll make the decision based upon things that relate directly to this issue.

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MB is a skillful negotiator and lawyer. Until he has solid offers on the table it makes no sense to say he will trade him. He has all the leverage if he takes the stance that it will take a pot of

HairOnFire
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Reports? Plural? And all of them COMING from the Bengals? Maybe there's more to it but the blurb you posted seemed to be a manufactored story. As if somebody asked a Bengal staffer if it was p

kingwilly
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Sorry, he only looks smart to you. He looks lucky. Lucky as the guy who hits the goldstrike. Sure, there is gold in them tar hills but its not smarts or skill that strikes it. It is lady luck. SoP g

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If MB can do no right, then why do you guys keep doing this to yourselves? If you know for sure that every decision he makes is wrong even before he makes it why bother?

Which makes Paul Daugherty's recent article about Palmer noteworthy. Nutshelled, after a reader openly questioned how anyone could defend Palmer's position Daugherty admitted he was doing so only out of habit. More specifically, the habit of always assuming Brown was wrong about everything. In retrospect Daugherty admitted that regardless of your feelings for Brown, when judged without bias...Palmer's actions are extremely hard to defend. And there's the rub because the harder they are to defend the easier it is to accept an outcome that doesn't result in Palmer being traded at all.

All of which explains why so many of you claim you don't care what the reasons are. As fans the only thing you're interested in is getting something for nothing.

MB is the son of one of the greatest innovators this game has ever seen. I get that's ironic that he is stuck in time. The old school perspective doesn't work all that well in today's NFL, but it has some merits.

Point blank, the Bengals willingness to let Palmer retire has to be considered a viable outcome. It's got to be more than a threat used to gain leverage or a tool used for bluffing.

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I do agree he does some things well. Negotiations very well may be one of those things. The point is that it hasn't translated to the number one reason we follow the Bengals. We want to see them win and win consistently. That hasn't happened and I don't believe that bad luck for the last 20 plus years has alot to do with it.

Here's my biggest problem with the "winning" rant. It's like a trump card that defeats everything without regards to logic or timing or strategy. More specifically, it bulldozes any debate without any consideration given to logic or circumstance. Granted, Mike Brown's record taint's everything Bengal related, including the question of whether Palmer should be traded. But by the same token it's not something Mike Brown is going to consider when debating every question he faces. He'll make the decision based upon things that relate directly to this issue.

I get and understand that. I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. In fact, at the time I applauded his aggresiveness in the offseason last summer. But there's good intent and the human ego and when the ego is attended to more than the intent or the overall goal...you should be left open for criticism. If the Bengals go off and win a Superbowl, or hell a couple of playoff games in a row, you'd better believe I'd be the first one to say things change and I was wrong.

Until then, show me. Show the fans this way of business and strategizing has a bigger payoff to us. No words, just actions. Show us.

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The point is not how someone answers my post, it's throwing a beyond dead horse that you won't stop beating into a discussion. I just get tired of the hate colored glasses that some people view the Bengals and MB in particular with. I am a Bengals fan and by extension I root for MB to make the right decisions. When he does, I get sick of hearing the "but he still sucks" mentality. Those are the people who booed Carson when he hit 20,000 yds and before half in the last playoff game. There's a difference between criticizing/critiquing and complaining/whining. One is constructive and lends itself to conversation, while the other is/does not.

That's the thing. We only have so many measures of outcomes to judge MB's decisions. Do we really think that it's logical for fans to overlook the most important and efficient outcome, or way of measuring success? That would be "winning".

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Per PFT

Marino thinks Dolphins should trade for Palmer with a third round pick.

lol

You don't get starting QBs in the NFL for only a 3rd rounder.

I would rather see Palmer retire if that's all we could get for him.

Dan Marino is a flaming idiot. He's the same guy that took the GM job in Miami about 13-14 years ago and then promptly retired in some incredibly short period of time.

He stated something to the effect of "I didn't realize it was going to be that much work."

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/>http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/03/30/palmers-house-hits-the-market/

Carson's house hits the market at $2.1M.

I hope he has to take less than 1.5 mil for it.

Once again F Palmer!!

I agree screw Palmer, im so sick of him and his crap.

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Rosenthal makes a strong case for why waiting to trade Palmer is likely in the Bengals best interests.

For a team to get Palmer, they are going to have to really want him. If the Bengals are only going to get 2012 picks for Palmer, they can easily wait out Palmer until next March . . . when they get 2012 picks for him. There is no huge motivation to deal him this year.

A team interested in Palmer will likely have to make give up a huge bounty.

With the draft coming up and so much labor uncertainty, we’re not sure that team is out there.

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Rosenthal makes a strong case for why waiting to trade Palmer is likely in the Bengals best interests.

For a team to get Palmer, they are going to have to really want him. If the Bengals are only going to get 2012 picks for Palmer, they can easily wait out Palmer until next March . . . when they get 2012 picks for him. There is no huge motivation to deal him this year.

A team interested in Palmer will likely have to make give up a huge bounty.

With the draft coming up and so much labor uncertainty, we’re not sure that team is out there.

But doesn't the potential compensation plummet when you let an already 30 year-old QB sit on the shelf for a year?

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Rosenthal makes a strong case for why waiting to trade Palmer is likely in the Bengals best interests.

For a team to get Palmer, they are going to have to really want him. If the Bengals are only going to get 2012 picks for Palmer, they can easily wait out Palmer until next March . . . when they get 2012 picks for him. There is no huge motivation to deal him this year.

A team interested in Palmer will likely have to make give up a huge bounty.

With the draft coming up and so much labor uncertainty, we’re not sure that team is out there.

But doesn't the potential compensation plummet when you let an already 30 year-old QB sit on the shelf for a year?

I doubt it. Teams are so desperate for quarterbacks, they sometimes look at anything as a positive. He's well rested and all healed from his various injuries!

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Rosenthal makes a strong case for why waiting to trade Palmer is likely in the Bengals best interests.

For a team to get Palmer, they are going to have to really want him. If the Bengals are only going to get 2012 picks for Palmer, they can easily wait out Palmer until next March . . . when they get 2012 picks for him. There is no huge motivation to deal him this year.

A team interested in Palmer will likely have to make give up a huge bounty.

With the draft coming up and so much labor uncertainty, were not sure that team is out there.

But doesn't the potential compensation plummet when you let an already 30 year-old QB sit on the shelf for a year?

I find it amusing how often Bengal fans speak of Palmer's age as an important factor. It simply isn't.

As predicted by yours truly when the story first broke, and now echoed by Vic Carrucci, whenever trades are allowed to take place again the biggest single factor standing in the way of Palmer achieving his goal of a trade is his own threat to retire. Simply put, Palmer's willingness to walk away from the game harms his trade value far more than other factors like age, injuries, or mediocre play.

Regardless of your feelings about Palmer's ability to play in the future, when all factors are combined the end result isn't enough to generate the one thing Palmer needs to force a trade. That being, an offer so good that Mike Brown can't refuse it. And there's the proverbial rub because Carson Palmer simply isn't good enough to generate that type of interest.

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Rosenthal makes a strong case for why waiting to trade Palmer is likely in the Bengals best interests.

For a team to get Palmer, they are going to have to really want him. If the Bengals are only going to get 2012 picks for Palmer, they can easily wait out Palmer until next March . . . when they get 2012 picks for him. There is no huge motivation to deal him this year.

A team interested in Palmer will likely have to make give up a huge bounty.

With the draft coming up and so much labor uncertainty, we’re not sure that team is out there.

But doesn't the potential compensation plummet when you let an already 30 year-old QB sit on the shelf for a year?

I find it amusing how often Bengal fans speak of Palmer's age as an important factor. It simply isn't.

As predicted by yours truly when the story first broke, and now echoed by Vic Carrucci, whenever trades are allowed to take place again the biggest single factor standing in the way of Palmer achieving his goal of a trade is his own threat to retire. Simply put, Palmer's willingness to walk away from the game harms his trade value far more than other factors like age, injuries, or mediocre play.

Regardless of your feelings about Palmer's ability to play in the future, when all factors are combined the end result isn't enough to generate the one thing Palmer needs to force a trade. That being, an offer so good that Mike Brown can't refuse it. And there's the proverbial rub because Carson Palmer simply isn't good enough to generate that type of interest.

It's been going on for quite some time. Not sure why no one has raised it, though since I am a bit of a jerk, I will go ahead and do it.

I now dub thee "There's the Rub on Fire".

Your incessant use of the "there's the rub" expression forces us to infict this new moniker upon thee. What once was HoF, is now TtRoF.

That is all.

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It's been going on for quite some time. Not sure why no one has raised it, though since I am a bit of a jerk, I will go ahead and do it.

I now dub thee "There's the Rub on Fire".

Your incessant use of the "there's the rub" expression forces us to infict this new moniker upon thee. What once was HoF, is now TtRoF.

That is all.

I like it. Kinda catchy!

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55 pages and 30 thousand views, nicely done.

You know I don't even know what to say to you poor whipped kittens. You can have Jake Delhomme if you like, hehe. I came to talk trash but damn, having your beloved qb after what.. 10-11 seasons say he's gonna retire if he isn't traded is pretty bad, you even have Browns fans feeling sorry for you beaten bunch. I guess Carson just couldn't take Mike Brown (best owner ever) running criminal central up in Cincy. Tisk tisk.

Now you sit in the corner in 4th place for many years to come.

May this thread finally die in peace.

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The guy has no heart. Favre would kill to play. I know the Bengals have problems, but to just quit says he has no passion for the game. I would love to hear Tim Krumre's take on Palmer retiring instead of playing for the Bengals. This season is a wash, but Dalton will bring us back in 2012.

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