Bengals trade CB David Jones to Jax for S Reggie Nelson

[TJJackson]

I'm referring to the people equating him to Benson or Jones.

That's asking a bit much.

all we are saying here is that other castoffs who became Bengals benefited from the change of scenery, and so there is a possibility (Not a certainly - I think you think we are claiming this is a certainty) that he will benefit similarly.

There is a culture in place now, especially on defense, that seems to bring players like this back into line, brings out their best. I've never seen it before on this team, but it is a wonderous thing to behold for us long-suffering fans

I'm not saying (and I don't think anyone else is saying) he'll be the next Benson. But he could be. The upside is there, and keep in mind the cost - a bubble player without much upside

[Kazkal]

all we are saying here is that other castoffs who became Bengals benefitted from the change of scenery, and so there is a possibility (Not a certainly - I thin you think we are claiming this is a certainty) t

Exactly not like Matt Jones was seen as a steal(besides by TDlong)all that's going to be asked of Reggie is to play a little special teams maybe but in the mean time he'll be able to get coached up by one of the best Defensive coordinators who use to be a DB coach...on top coyle who I thought has done a great job for us.

[Stripes]

I think people are misinterpreting JoeMama.

Nobody is going to call it a "bad" move, because we gave up table scraps for Nelson. He's simply suggesting Nelson isn't very good, which is probably a necessary thing in the face of all this illogical "he was a first round pick!" or "Zimmer can turn wet diarrhea into pumpkin pie!" talk.

[whizzo]

don't forget we also gave up a draft pick for him. i'd've liked to avoid this, tbh.

[Stripes]

don't forget we also gave up a draft pick for him. i'd've liked to avoid this, tbh.

It's just a conditional pick depending on Nelson's performance, IIRC. That ought not amount to much.

[kingwilly]

I am still interested in Watkins. They could find another spot by moving Leonard to IR, or cutting him once healthy, as I feel Scott and Peerman are sufficient to back-up Benson.

Do we need a 4th RB, and a specialist one at that, more than they need a healthy S who can play ST?

Remember, Roy and Crocker battled injuries throughout the last two years.

I think they need one more guy back there.

[Trevor]

all we are saying here is that other castoffs who became Bengals benefitted from the change of scenery, and so there is a possibility (Not a certainly - I thin you think we are claiming this is a certainty) t

Exactly not like Matt Jones was seen as a steal(besides by TDlong)all that's going to be asked of Reggie is to play a little special teams maybe but in the mean time he'll be able to get coached up by one of the best Defensive coordinators who use to be a DB coach...on top coyle who I thought has done a great job for us.

He'll be a steal for whoever gets him next,..

[derekshank]

all we are saying here is that other castoffs who became Bengals benefitted from the change of scenery, and so there is a possibility (Not a certainly - I thin you think we are claiming this is a certainty) t

Exactly not like Matt Jones was seen as a steal(besides by TDlong)all that's going to be asked of Reggie is to play a little special teams maybe but in the mean time he'll be able to get coached up by one of the best Defensive coordinators who use to be a DB coach...on top coyle who I thought has done a great job for us.

He'll be a steal for whoever gets him next,..

On that point I agree with you. There are some UFL teams that are super thin at WR.

[Kazkal]

I think people are misinterpreting JoeMama.

Nobody is going to call it a "bad" move, because we gave up table scraps for Nelson. He's simply suggesting Nelson isn't very good, which is probably a necessary thing in the face of all this illogical "he was a first round pick!" or "Zimmer can turn wet diarrhea into pumpkin pie!" talk.

I get that ....but the same was said about alot of our players

-Tank wasn't very good for the cowboys

-Cedric wasn't very good for the bears

-Roy was considered Washed up

-Crocker was a Journymen who never really exceled

-Pacman was freaking terrible for the cowboys.

Now it doesn't always work see matt Jones,But I trust Zimmer & Coyle to develop Reggie Nelson more then I trust that he's a terrible player because jaguars didn't utilize him Like they don't most of their draft picks in the Del Rio Era...Seriously look at how many Defensive Ends they've drafted but how many have lived up to their draft status?

PS,Once again not saying he's going to turn in to some super stud he may be getting cut next season but for the Reasons TJ listed and Defensive Coaches we have I'd like to see what they can do with him.

[HoosierCat]

One take on Nelson:

How did Nelson fall so far so fast?

He had 82 tackles, 12 pass breakups, five interceptions, two forced fumbles and a sack as a rookie. He has just nine breakups and two picks since, and his tackles also have dropped.

Some blame Nelson's struggles on having three defensive co-ordinators — Mike Smith, Gregg Williams and Mel Tucker — in four seasons.

Others point to Nelson shuffling positions. He started out as a roaming safety, then was asked to stay home and read opposing quarterbacks. He also spent time playing cornerback and working only in nickel situations.

Del Rio has a different take. He says what Nelson did so well as a rookie — reading quarterbacks and then reacting to the football — simply doesn't work anymore because teams know they can take advantage of him with pump-fakes and look-offs.

"Everybody has what-ifs," Nelson said. "I can't sit here and say, 'What if they didn't do this or what if they didn't do that.' They asked me to do some things. I did it with no questions asked and went out there and did it to the best of my abilities. Learned corner within a week, learned nickel. Whenever my number's called, I just go play football."

It hasn't always been pretty, though.

The same guy who made bone-bruising hits, touchdown-saving tackles and game-changing interceptions for the Gators struggled all over the field for the Jaguars. He missed tackles near the line of scrimmage, allowed receivers to blow by him deep, and more often than not, left coaches and teammates scratching their heads.

[volcom69]

I think alittle coaching up will do Reggie just fine. Put him back to his normal postion, and let him roam out there and see what he can do. If they play some 3 safties set i would like to see Nelson in there. I really like the pick-up and i do expect big things for him. Zim do him right!

[ArmyBengal]

Again, I think the fact he's not a starter here, has time to be coached, and has potential equal nothing but upside for the Bengals.

We are not expecting him to come in here and be an pro-bowl type of guy.

If he gets coached up and turns out to be that pro-bowl type of player, does anyone have a problem giving up a conditional pick ??

Not me.

Another question. Does anyone think David Jones even has the chance to turn into a pro-bowl type of player like Nelson ??

Yeah, me neither...

[TJJackson]

There are some UFL teams that are super thin at WR.

I am sure he could secure a backup spot on the Bengals unofficial minor league team, the Tuskers.

Maybe he could room with Odell?

They could party together

[agreen_112]

Seriously dude, you dont know what Zim can do. Every player on this defense was horrilbe till Zimmer came and coached. Crocker was horrilbe, Roy Williams was horrilbe, Adam Jones was horrilbe, so right about now ill take a horrilbe Reggie Nelson over a CB that will not play.

That's true. It's not really a question of what the Zim can do. Dude's got a proven track record with getting the most out of players.

And really, I have no problem with the trade itself. It's potentially low risk, high reward.

I just don't see Nelson turning it around. I've just seen way too much blown coverage from him. He takes bad angles, he makes bad reads, he doesn't position himself like a natural ball hawk.

Unloading Nelson is getting the kind of reaction from Jags fans that Bengals fans had when JT O'Sullivan was cut.

I understand what you're saying Joe... I'm happy with giving Nelson a shot. I'm not super excited about this trade though. What worries me is that Jax had decent corners. Corners and Safeties go hand-in-hand. A great corner will help make an average safety look good at times, and vice-versa. A terrible safety will make the whole damn defense look bad. With Jax having good corners and Nelson still not "shining" like a 1st round player should..... I'm just skeptical about this trade. D. Jones was a solid backup. Yeah, we have Zimmer who should be able to coach him up but that's probably something that will take a little time (at least another season).

I'm just happy to see the Bengals making move after move. That's what winning teams do. They take risks. They strive to get better and are always improving. For that, I'm happy about this move.

Thanks for the heads-up!

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

A terrible safety will make the whole damn defense look bad. With Jax having good corners and Nelson still not "shining" like a 1st round player should..... I'm just skeptical about this trade.

No doubt you're right, but if that weren't the case we wouldn't have gotten him for less than the price of a case of beer.

D. Jones was a solid backup.

No he wasn't. He's not dead, we don't have to eulogize him.

Yeah, we have Zimmer who should be able to coach him up

Maybe, maybe not. Zimmer's gotten good production quickly out of guys in the past. Getting traded should motivate him. Now let's see if the coaches can teach him how to play in the system. Even if you told me he wouldn't dress until week 8, but started figuring out the D and making plays after that...worth it.

I'm just happy to see the Bengals making move after move. That's what winning teams do. They take risks. They strive to get better and are always improving. For that, I'm happy about this move.

Agree. And this isn't even a risk - more like an opportunity to get a playmaker for free.

[Wraith]

Seriously dude, you dont know what Zim can do. Every player on this defense was horrilbe till Zimmer came and coached. Crocker was horrilbe, Roy Williams was horrilbe, Adam Jones was horrilbe, so right about now ill take a horrilbe Reggie Nelson over a CB that will not play.

That's true. It's not really a question of what the Zim can do. Dude's got a proven track record with getting the most out of players.

And really, I have no problem with the trade itself. It's potentially low risk, high reward.

I just don't see Nelson turning it around. I've just seen way too much blown coverage from him. He takes bad angles, he makes bad reads, he doesn't position himself like a natural ball hawk.

Unloading Nelson is getting the kind of reaction from Jags fans that Bengals fans had when JT O'Sullivan was cut.

I understand what you're saying Joe... I'm happy with giving Nelson a shot. I'm not super excited about this trade though. What worries me is that Jax had decent corners. Corners and Safeties go hand-in-hand. A great corner will help make an average safety look good at times, and vice-versa. A terrible safety will make the whole damn defense look bad. With Jax having good corners and Nelson still not "shining" like a 1st round player should..... I'm just skeptical about this trade. D. Jones was a solid backup. Yeah, we have Zimmer who should be able to coach him up but that's probably something that will take a little time (at least another season).

I'm just happy to see the Bengals making move after move. That's what winning teams do. They take risks. They strive to get better and are always improving. For that, I'm happy about this move.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Jacksonville also had one of the worst pass rushes in the history of the NFL with 14 sacks for the season which reflects poorly on the secondary.

[agreen_112]

@dc_bengals, you're absolutely right. We got him for nothing. The more I think about this trade, the more I like it. Overall, I'm still in shock over the T.O. signing. He's been my fav WR since he was in San Fran.

I love Mike Brown!!

[agreen_112]

@Wraith, excellent point! A pass rush is HUGE for the secondary. That is why we were a number 4 defense last season. Zimmer is building a machine.

[COB]

I love Mike Brown!!

Internet message board riot pending.

[Wraith]

Dateline Cincinnati.

Police have discovered a blue 1994 Chevy Lumina with the license plate DADYS BOY buried deep inside Rumpke Mountain this appears to be a significant break in the case first reported in February about the disappearance of Bengals Owner Mike Brown, this case was brought to police by concerned NFL Owners because of extremely uncharateristic moves by the Cincinnati Bengals organization. One NFL Owner was quoted as saying "when the Bengals started making moves that would make sense to a football guy we knew something must have happened to Mike Brown!"

Bengals Head Coach Marvin Lewis is being held for questioning about the disappearance.

[whizzo]

Bengals Head Coach Marvin Lewis is being held for questioning about the disappearance.

more like every Bengals fan in existence.

[HairOnFire]

Others point to Nelson shuffling positions. He started out as a roaming safety, then was asked to stay home and read opposing quarterbacks. He also spent time playing cornerback and working only in nickel situations.

Del Rio has a different take. He says what Nelson did so well as a rookie — reading quarterbacks and then reacting to the football — simply doesn't work anymore because teams know they can take advantage of him with pump-fakes and look-offs.

IMHO, the above feels like the core.

Love him or hate him Nelson's past success came as a true centerfielder. A guy with his back to the endzone, looking into the offensive backfield, reading the QB. A high-risk/high-reward playmaker. After the position switch he's asked to play far more as a CB, defending a WR, with his back to the QB. Frankly, in that role, as a 3rd CB, David Jones probably IS a better option for the Jags, and Jag fans should be happy enough. And for the Bengals, precisely because they want to win now they need a FS who has more experience than all of the young options they just cut. If nothing else Nelson gives them that....and potentially more if they can restart for career at FS.

All things considered...a risk worth taking.

[whizzo]

i'm ok with that, Hair. have nelson roam the deep field, and williams or crocker play closer to the line, where they don't have to run as far and can provide run support.

[Pidge]

Nelson has certainly dropped in the last couple of yrs. Not to say he's bad at all. In fact, he entered the league and started making plays almost immediately. There's something there and maybe a change of scenery will help him re-find his feet. So, we have a decentish guy who adds depth right now at worst. He regains his form and confidence and we have a guy who is a starter on this team, and an effective one at that.

[cincyhokie]

Mike Zimmer is turning into the Dave Duncan of football. Should be interesting to see what he can do with Nelson.