Kazkal Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Play the young guys to see what we have in them either @ LT or LG...Bench Levi and start him or Bench Stacey move whitworth and start him at LG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson85 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I agree. What the hell, the season is shot. The line definitely couldn't get much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Agreed start him now see if he is any good before the draft so they know what they have to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Agreed start him now see if he is any good before the draft so they know what they have to get.That sounds dangerously like planning. The Bengals don't take too kindly to that kind of talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Hey we're playing to win. Why mess with success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Agreed start him now see if he is any good before the draft so they know what they have to get.That sounds dangerously like planning. The Bengals don't take too kindly to that kind of talk.Wrong, they are great at tax planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadraftnick Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Andre Collins IMO will never be a quality starting LT in the NFL- I come to that by how many sacks he gave up in the NCAA.He may have what it takes to be a G or C , the only problem with that , is that , the Begnals are not teaching or letting him practice at any spot but, LT.- "they dont to overload him. " Marvins wordsWill Mike demand that, Marvin start him at LT for the next 4 years anyway?The whole things reminds me of the Melvin Tutan hell that I have already lived through once as a fan.Its funny how, when you are a Bengals fan, history(AKA bad decisions) keeps repeating itself.There is an old saying , a fool learns from their own mistakes, a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.Mike Brown never learns from anyone's mistakes and keeps repeating his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwedge Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Play the young guys to see what we have in them either @ LT or LG...Bench Levi and start him or Bench Stacey move whitworth and start him at LG.I agree.. Let's see what they have... I really would like to see Shirley play as well... We've already seen what some of the new DBs have and that wasn't so pretty although none of them were drafted.... Btw Kazkal, I like your o-line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Playing the young guys may actually give me a reason to watch the crap. However, Marvin has always been slow to let young players take the field. And right now he and his coaches are in full ' protect my job' mode. Why let a player make mistakes now that will benefit them in the future, when those mistakes might cost me my job?0 & freaking 8 and still no plan. Same ole same ole in Bengaldom. How a single person shows up to watch the foolishness is beyond me. Been a fan for 2 1/2 decades and I am really starting to doubt my own intelligence. I liked it better when I had HOF around to doubt my intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Mike Brown will not allow a guy making $7.5 million a year, or Levi's $ (whatever that is this year), to sit on the bench. That is not speculation. You guys should know this by now. THAT is the reason Collins is not getting any time anywhere, and is being groomed to replace Levi, which is laughable. If I'm Palmer I'm crapping my shorts. Alexander can't develop anyone, one of the worst position coaches in the league, and not one team has ever tried to lure him away, ever - he's awful.Brown operated in the same mode when Willie/Rudi/Deltha were cut, he stated in a letter to a season ticket holder, that those 3 were cut because "their salaries didn't match up to their level of performance." The problem there is he just put the money in his pocket, no one's going to extend here right now, instead of using it to keep players who would've helped with depth. And to just cut Willie unceremoniously with not even so much as a public "thank you," tells you all you need to know about this sorry ass organization.Classless, cheap, stupid, and pathetic. And it has everything and anything to do with Mike Brown, the Blackburns, Paul Brown Jr., and Lippinfart.Marvin has little to do with this kind of stuff. I have no idea why he would want to continue coaching here, if he has any amount of pride or logic left in his head. No one good is going to come here again without a whole new front office and cap/personnel philosophy.Marv acts like he's just happy to have a job somewhere, surely he can do better. He better get out quick before he's serving steaks at some restaurant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 'm crapping my shorts. Alexander can't develop anyone, one of the worst position coaches in the league, and not one team has ever tried to lure him away, ever - he's awful.I don't get how this guy has been a Offensive line coach for 14 years,I forgot mike brown is his boss \sigh.The only offensive linemen we've had produce with him are 1st rounders 2nd rounders and one 3rd in Rich Braham : / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Absolutely correct, I don't think you will see much of the young guys either unless someone get hurt, as long as the starters are healthy and able to collect that check on Monday morning they are going to play...We may see them if we are winning 27-10 with 1:27 left to go in a game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 THAT is the reason Collins is not getting any time anywhere, and is being groomed to replace Levi, which is laughable.I think Whitworth will replace Levi, not Collins. Mikey didn't just hand him $30 million this past offseason to play guard, and right now he would be better than Levi IMHO.What to do with Levi, who still has what, 3 years left on that $40 million extension, will be a big question come January '09. Cut him? Move him to guard or RT? I dunno what they'll do.That the team looks to be in line for the kind of high pick where OT makes the most sense only complicates matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Levi is not suited to play RTWhit is well suited to play RT, far more so that LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Levi is not suited to play RTMaybe, maybe not.Whit is well suited to play RT, far more so that LTThat was the book on him coming out of college, but he looked just fine at LT last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted November 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Levi is not suited to play RTMaybe, maybe not.Whit is well suited to play RT, far more so that LTThat was the book on him coming out of college, but he looked just fine at LT last year.He did and I would be happy with whitworth on either side,But could you Picture him on the right and Oher or another top end tackle in this years draft on the other side? Though we could target RT in round 2 or Trade down in the 1st to get one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He did and I would be happy with whitworth on either side,But could you Picture him on the right and Oher or another top end tackle in this years draft on the other side? Though we could target RT in round 2 or Trade down in the 1st to get one Again, it all depends on where they end up in the draft, and yeah, they could be way up top where an Oher is all that makes sense. And if so, fine.Me, tho, I'm in the tank for Alex Mack in the first. Trade down and get me a real center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted November 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Aye my fingers are crossed that we can land Alex Mack..if we can trade down far enough or Trade Chad or Trade up in the 2nd but Alex Mack is probably the player I want most in this years draft more then Reyrey More then Oher.....Though to land Oher+alex Mack.........Wet dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I liked it better when I had HOF around to doubt my intelligence. As you wish.Playing the young guys may actually give me a reason to watch the crap. However, Marvin has always been slow to let young players take the field. Maybe you're just slow to notice. Collins has been getting an increasing number of snaps for several weeks now. In fact, against the Jags I'd guess he had played in about 25% of the offensive snaps even BEFORE Whitworth was ejected. Why let a player make mistakes now that will benefit them in the future, when those mistakes might cost me my job? The Bengals seem to be developing Collins in exactly the same manner as they developed Levi Jones. Both players are held out until they have some comfort level, and then after a few games of watching get their first sniff of action as so-called Elephant TE's. After that comes an introduction to a regular rotation...usually involving both LT and LG positions. As for Collins, he's been doing the TE thing for a few weeks and against the Jags played his first significant snaps at LT. So it's coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Playing the young guys may actually give me a reason to watch the crap. However, Marvin has always been slow to let young players take the field. And right now he and his coaches are in full ' protect my job' mode. Why let a player make mistakes now that will benefit them in the future, when those mistakes might cost me my job?0 & freaking 8 and still no plan. Same ole same ole in Bengaldom. How a single person shows up to watch the foolishness is beyond me. Been a fan for 2 1/2 decades and I am really starting to doubt my own intelligence. I liked it better when I had HOF around to doubt my intelligence.Be careful for what you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I liked it better when I had HOF around to doubt my intelligence. As you wish.Playing the young guys may actually give me a reason to watch the crap. However, Marvin has always been slow to let young players take the field. Maybe you're just slow to notice. Collins has been getting an increasing number of snaps for several weeks now. In fact, against the Jags I'd guess he had played in about 25% of the offensive snaps even BEFORE Whitworth was ejected. Why let a player make mistakes now that will benefit them in the future, when those mistakes might cost me my job? The Bengals seem to be developing Collins in exactly the same manner as they developed Levi Jones. Both players are held out until they have some comfort level, and then after a few games of watching get their first sniff of action as so-called Elephant TE's. After that comes an introduction to a regular rotation...usually involving both LT and LG positions. As for Collins, he's been doing the TE thing for a few weeks and against the Jags played his first significant snaps at LT. So it's coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I liked it better when I had HOF around to doubt my intelligence. As you wish.Playing the young guys may actually give me a reason to watch the crap. However, Marvin has always been slow to let young players take the field. Maybe you're just slow to notice. Collins has been getting an increasing number of snaps for several weeks now. In fact, against the Jags I'd guess he had played in about 25% of the offensive snaps even BEFORE Whitworth was ejected. Why let a player make mistakes now that will benefit them in the future, when those mistakes might cost me my job? The Bengals seem to be developing Collins in exactly the same manner as they developed Levi Jones. Both players are held out until they have some comfort level, and then after a few games of watching get their first sniff of action as so-called Elephant TE's. After that comes an introduction to a regular rotation...usually involving both LT and LG positions. As for Collins, he's been doing the TE thing for a few weeks and against the Jags played his first significant snaps at LT. So it's coming.Forgive me if I do not have faith that the coaching staff has any clue when it comes to the offensive line, and how best to utilize the talent. The only reason they have enjoyed even mild past success is due to the inordinately high draft picks that they are forced to burn due to a grossly inadequate position coach. 14 years and counting....zero individual success stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Forgive me if I do not have faith that the coaching staff has any clue when it comes to the offensive line, and how best to utilize the talent. A fair point that you can debate endlessly with other posters of your ilk....assuming they exist. All I've pointed out is that several of you are asking/demanding something in this thread that is already happening, yet none of you seem to have noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I was out that day, so I did not see the game - but - are you saying that Collins was the guy who was first off the bench when Whitworth was tossed from the game?I ask only because the first guy off the bench used to be KooistraCollins played in Whit's spot the rest of the game?If so, great :-) -- another minor bit of silver lining in a very, very gray cloud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I was out that day, so I did not see the game - but - are you saying that Collins was the guy who was first off the bench when Whitworth was tossed from the game? No, I'm pointing out how Collins was getting snaps from the very beginning of the game, and continued to do so throughout, including after Whitworth was ejected. In fact, if you have a tape of the game you'll see Collins repeatedly during each of the Bengals first two drives....usually as an extra TE lined up outside of the OLT. And late in the game you can see action featuring Collins, Levi, and Kooistra.I ask only because the first guy off the bench used to be Kooistra That's still true. But again, if you watch the tape you can clearly see Collins getting snaps late in the game, after the ejection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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