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Enjoy NFL football how you like. Its like your mad because 100% of NFL fans don't all cry on a message board.

Did this guy come up the idea the NFL is just trying to sell us food? Bitching about the sales tax? Sure. What about the increased sales tax revenue the events provide? OMG, Bengals make money and lots of it. Cry, Cry, Cry.

If Bengals aren't firing Zac. Get the fear they are going to Marvin Lewis this for the slim window of the Burrow era. They should at least considered real competition at the QB spot. At worse they need a better back up. The QB group as a whole is rated slightly better than Rookie Andy Dalton. It would be worse if not for Joe Flacco that produced the biggest games this season on the fly. Those metrics aren't 100% proof of anything regarding Joe but it does suggest there can be life after him. The ole Brady/Garoppolo card should be played here, IMO, if they aren't changing head coaches.

Bengals offense ranks highly in money paid and turnovers. The turnovers have now existed for 2 seasons and the amount of points scored off those turnovers happens so frequently that it can't be washed away as a Jake Browning issue. Team's rise and fall in the NFL all the time. There's a bunch of scenario's fans can paint up in their minds to "fix". The offense has a bunch of dead money tied into it so its likely they'll be among the highest paid offenses in the league next year. The most realistic return to playoffs starts with an offense that doesn't turn the ball over so much. Gets its franchise QB playing at high level again for the entire season. Fans act like they've been scoring 30+ every week this year or something. They've been shit from game 1 and its the number 1 reason to fire Zac.

Burrow is down and those shows love to kick when players are down. Point being Burrow IS DOWN. The Bengals offense collective QB rating is shit. Their overall production is shit compared to how much cap room was dumped into them. The amount of turnovers from that offense is shit. What's to argue? Burrow isn't elite this year. Its the number one reason to fire Zac Taylor. So I don't really see what there is to disagree with.

No one wants to read nerd shit about 1st round DE that doesn't have double digit sacks on the league worse defense. However, there are in depth nerd analysis on both Ossasi and Murphy and it was complimentary of them both. Basically Bengals don't ask all rushers to win every snap. They have various assignments and what not. When Murphy was been asked to win on his rushes he's performed very well. Usually Trey was the one getting the "win" reps. Again, no one wants to hear that shit with a defense still allowing over 400 yards a game. But there's nerd analysis out there suggesting the defense has been responding at all levels. Murphy was damn close to having 3 sacks, he played very well. As did Knight who was serving as a spy for a lot of reps vs Lamar.

Not when the highly paid offensive players can't score or rank in the top 5 in give aways. I think there is a couple paragraphs above you should read.

I wonder what reflective press conference we'll be treated to this week?

Is Joe Borrow allowed to score points?

I'm just saying spending in the top half the league and most of that money going to active roster isn't an example of a team that refuses to operate financially. You may think it does, but whatever. 2nd - Milton Williams was the No. 1 defensive FA available - IR 3.5 sacks to date. 2nd was Zac Baun who later confirmed he wasn't seriously thinking of leaving Philly. 3rd was Josh Sweat, has 11 sacks but Cardinals defense isn't any better. 4th, 5th, and 6th were CBs (Ward, Reed, Davis) Davis has been really good. The other 2 up and down. The point? Adding all those players would have gotten them a defense good enough to overcome the under performance of the offense. IF the Bengals just sign Trey and don't sign All top 6 defensive Free Agents they aren't trying? Is that your point? Because not 1 of those players makes a big enough impact alone.

Sorry. I don't know the intent of Joe's comments. I do take issue with fans/local media supporting a narrative that Joe is justified in whining. 1. This week we learned Trey and Tee both put health issues aside for the team. 2. The organization is top half in spending most of it on extensions for offensive talent that everyone demanded. 3. The offense added a 1st round TE and 2nd round guard late summer. Again Right Guard people demanded be fixed! 4. The offense got a first round OT over the draft's best CB. That is a move people demanded. The unit is built with the intention to be the unit that shoulders the burden of winning. They rank 20th. They give the ball away 3rd worse in the league. Until those 2 issues are resolved all they are doing is finger pointing away from their under performance. That's all it is. Again, I don't know the intent of Joe's comments but its a horrible look. He gets a free pass from a lot of people, IMO with protection issues/injuries/durability and turnovers. If he's crying, none of it is justified.

Joe is a great QB. Its a bad look whether he intended it to be or not. Higgins and Trey both showed they put their health before the team and Joe being reflective on having fun and it just so happens after they lose a must win game and he threw 2 picks leading in the 4th quarter. Whatever Joe. Move the fuck on already if that's how you feel. The majority will take your side and deflect blame. I don't think he's a quitter like that and I don't he is justified IF he does try to force his way out. I thought both Ints were great plays by Buffalo by the way. But everything has been set up for you to win those games and you didn't THIS TIME, so SFTU and move on. He wasn't reflective when people gave him all the credit in beating Baltimore.

Along the same lines: Sacks generated from player taken 20th or lower from Draft 2022-2025. There's been 6 players(?) that have recorded more than 10 career sacks so far. Ones I could find: Off the top of my head they never had a chance to draft the first 2. Are you giving up DJ Turner in order to draft Kobi Turner or Byron Young? Bengal fans are great about bitching about scouting and making vague claims. Here is an attempt to bring data into the conversation. Where are all the defensive draft picks a huge scouting department would have found?

Bengals have been building a defense drafting from the bottom of the draft since 2022. Pending on how you classify Pro Bowl honors (alternate etc.) or All Pro honors. There's 2 to 6 players you can identify that have been selected. I can tell you they never had a chance to draft Trent McDuffie as the KC used Tyrek Hill trade to move up. They chose Mims over Mitchell. So again simply stating "fix it" isn't really anything but message board banter. Emotion. Bengals kept their WRs and made an attempt to fix an O-line. That has resulted in 20th ranked offense and a negative TO margin. Bengal fans know our defensive draft picks have struggled. FACT. So they need to fix it by drafting other defensive players. Not so easy.

If you want to go with they refuse to compete financially when any objective measure proves they actually have been spending in the top half of the league, that's on you refusing to change your POV when facts are presented. Believe what you want.

With playoffs on the line Joe Burrow threw 2 Ints leading by 3 with 5 minutes to go in field goal range. Ints resulted in 14 points. I don't know if Joe Burrow is done. This has been a week in which the following has been confirmed 1. Trey put off surgery for the team 2. Higgins coming out of concussion protocol, back in after Buffalo game Its a bad look on Joe's leadership to have his reflective wishy washy press conference to be spun in such a way. You have to think this was by design on his part given the results of the Buffalo game. My opinion: IF you can't be happy playing football with the money spent on you and your offense, softball Cincinnati media then move the fuck on already. Any other real sports media would be frying his ass over those Ints and would have pointed out how bad he looks compared to Tee and Trey right now. He's a great QB, not durable. Its amazing how much he is glazed by local media.

Nothing to fear. Your body maybe getting old but your minds are young as can be. Its as if they are stuck in the 90s, lol.

This is false. As the good players they drafted came off rookie deals these past 3 years; their cash expenditure ranks in the top half of the league. The structure you take issue with actually moves them up higher in the top 10 of spending on current active players.

Is it surprising to see fans that supported the moves made previous off seaons, to see the results and identify with the thought of Burrow pouting? Nope. The offense was built for Burrow. It hasn't delivered. Mike Brown goes from a penny pinching SOB to suddenly not knowing what players could cost? Bullshit. Ineffective scouting? Sure. All that's easy to prove. What moves should have been made to build a defense? I think the more people try that exercise they get back to diverting picks and $$$ spent on offense and deploy that to defense. Mims over Mitchell? Chase Brown over his brother? The more moves of this nature that are suggested again run the risk of Burrow pouting. The offense hasn't produced with them. He's probably depressed over the same reason the offense is under performing. Hasn't been on the field AND he's been apart of some game flipping TOs.

I'm glad you enjoyed. But I hope Joe doesn't read it, I can't stand the thought of him huddled in the dark broom closet they put him in down at paycor. Hopefully they didn't listen to the NFLPA and put wifi in there so he could read something negative about him. But you can post your dream draft defensive line up that is so obvious an error anytime you want. It just a reality the 3 seasons since he signed a contract extension the offense ranks in the 20s and has never been top 5. Like it or not there has been a trend of critical offensive TOs that have had direct impacts on the win/loss. Don't want to hurt anyone's feeling in here. Yes, all the 1 score losses are Zac and Tobin's fault, fire them today wouldn't even think of blaming anyone else. Pretty sure Zac didn't call a run play that Burrow went off script on that Pick 6, Zac actually called the Pic 6 play. Dumb.

Message board fans try to simply things. Yes, just go draft defensive players all these years. Well, NO SHIT. Really? Care to post the names? The fact is: Since the Burrow extension in 3 season the offense has ranked in the 20s and the highest was 8th. It was success in producing 2 MVP level seasons for 2 individual players. So yes, post the defensive line up that could have been had via those drafts and make the case that defense could overcome the above reality. That's not even factoring the untalked about trend of offensive TOs that have flipped games the past 2 seasons. It a lot more than fans acknowledge, Burrow is involved in some of them but not all of them. Yes, so go post the All-Pros that could have been drafted to overcome the above and make playoffs.

Whatever reason or excuse the offense averages 315 yards a game and under 25 points. The defense is mid pack in take aways but the TO ratio is -4 because of offensive turnovers and several have gone for scores or set up easy points way over the average. Similar symptoms the year before as well. What was Bengal management supposed do in Free Agent or the Draft to re build a defense from crap to compensate for that at the same time resign all the offensive talent and the defensive superstar that hasn't played? It comes off as the offense must be perfect but quite frankly that's the path they chose and it was supported by a lot of people. Shitty season.

No need to have pity party for Joe. Bengals executed what many framed as the Burrow plan this past off season. I was very much in favor in that course of action and so was the majority. Shit happened. They needed 2/3 wins from the Browning/Flacco stretch. Its not realistic to think they could have built a defense good enough in 1 off season to overcome Jake Browning's performance. Jake Browning was starting because Joe wanted to extend a play instead of throwing it away. Hero ball cost this team AND Jake Browning never being challenged. Then Flacco on the scene, who the front acquired and some doubted. The defense shit 3 4th quarters in a row without Trey and went 1-2 in those games. Then Flacco runs out of magic and the offense slows probably because of his shoulder, I guess, drops a couple more games an improved defense effort. So to last week. On the road playing Josh Allen, 4th quarter, 14 unanswered points off 2 Ints in 2 plays in which no other Bengal touched the ball but Burrow. How can anyone really think this season sucks because the Bengals just need to fix it? That's emotion over objectivity. There wasn't moves that could be made while extending Chase, Higgins, Trey and the other offensive moves that would improve a defense to a level to beat Josh Allen without Trey while the franchise QB is giving up 14 points in the 4th quarter. Like it or not is also difficult to dream up a plan to overcome Jake fiasco.

AFC North is the most competitive division and sometimes the best. There's been losing division winners in the past so eventually at some point it will happen again. I would not rule out a 8-9 AFC North Champ. Is that the Bengals? We'll see.

I would not write Trey off just yet. The Bengals were rumored to have a 2yr 55-60m deal on the table. Trey wanted guarantees beyond this year and they compromised to 1 year. If he would have signed the 2 year offer without 2nd year guarantees, does anyone think the Bengals would cut him after the season he just had? I say no. To make that offer they have already budgeted the cash/cap ramifications. No one will argue with adding the best defensive FA to this unit. Trey will be the best defensive FA available. Tag. If Trey was smart he'd sign it immediately. If he doesn't Bengals can shop through a thin FA class and if they find several items they can sign, then remove tag or trade. Worse case scenario, they are adding the best defensive FA available.