bengalsrz Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 next week we have the jags, taht will be our first test, although we got the win against houston, i dont think our defense played very well, and marvin needs to do somethin about these penalties, how long do you guys think we can stay undefeated?? i think we can go about two more games, the steelers will be tough to beat though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I think we will blow out the Jaguars. They struggle to run the ball, and that's all we need to hear. I think we should pull out a win in Tennessee, but who knows, it's always tough there.Pittsburgh is the game that will define our season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 the next three games got me nervous...two on the road, no matter the team, are tough, then the steelers...best to just focus on the jags....sure they struggle running the ball, but so did the texans til today....anything can happen at any time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDey42 Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 These next 3 games are going to be tests for us. Jags and Tennessee aren't great teams, but they are respectable. I think we can pull those two games out, if we play mistake free games...AND CUT DOWN ON PENALTIES.bengalsrz: what do you mean Marvin has to cut down on the fumbles? We only have 2 fumbles for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsrz Posted October 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 These next 3 games are going to be tests for us. Jags and Tennessee aren't great teams, but they are respectable. I think we can pull those two games out, if we play mistake free games...AND CUT DOWN ON PENALTIES.bengalsrz: what do you mean Marvin has to cut down on the fumbles? We only have 2 fumbles for the season. sorry, im an idiot, i ment penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Next week is looking like a 1st loss, has to happen some time.The Jags will be pumped up on national TV to take down an unbeaten, and missing two centers on the depth chart and Madeiu and possibly Ohlate is going to hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 When the defense comes up with 7 sacks, a fumble recovery,holds the opponents rb to under 100 yds, and only gives up 1 td ........ they've done OK.There are only a couple of other teams in the NFL that are as complete as the Bengals .... and only one of them is playing to our level ( Colts ). Pats got their asses handed to them today, and last I checked the Eagles were undergoing the same procedure .I look for us to beat the Jags ( not easily ) and the Titans ( them either ). That puts us at 6 and 0 and with the Steelers coming to Cincinnati ( at least ) a game behind .... it puts all the pressure squarely on them ... not us. I think Indy and not Pittsburgh is our benchmark game .............. Now how long can we keep it up ??? I've got no idea .... and that's why I'm enjoying each one for the whole week after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 When the defense comes up with 7 sacks, a fumble recovery,holds the opponents rb to under 100 yds, and only gives up 1 td ........ they've done OK.Well said. I was at the game with my dad, and as the offense wasn't doing a whole lot, I kept looking at the board with the stats on it thinking "Hey, everyone keeps praising the Colts for winning with defense."That is exactly what we did today. Our offense didn't show up the way it has in the past 3 weeks. THe only thing they really did well was run out the clock (we are dominating the league in TOP).We all know our offense is deadly. It was good to see the Bengals have some pressure on them in this game to keep a team from scoring... because this game was actually close. We are still allowing only 9.5 points/game, and that is damn decent. No complaints this week, except for those penalties. We will lose to Pittsburgh if we have more than 100 yards worth of penaties again.Not to mention that Marvin seem to really trust them out there. I thought he might throw the ball to try to get a 1st down so we could run out the clock towards the end of the game. Instead, he ran it on 3rd down, kicked a FG, and left it up to the D to stop them. They did. I'm becoming a believer in them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 When the defense comes up with 7 sacks, a fumble recovery,holds the opponents rb to under 100 yds, and only gives up 1 td ........ they've done OK.Well said. I was at the game with my dad, and as the offense wasn't doing a whole lot, I kept looking at the board with the stats on it thinking "Hey, everyone keeps praising the Colts for winning with defense."That is exactly what we did today. Our offense didn't show up the way it has in the past 3 weeks. THe only thing they really did well was run out the clock (we are dominating the league in TOP). Until the Bengals get to the playoffs and make a statement, they're simply not going to get the props like Manning and the Colts do. Be patient. Change is just a couple months away! Next week is looking like a 1st loss, has to happen some time. Okay, you're just trying to be a buzzkill aren't you shula? I've thought that very thing before every game so far this season (except this last one which was close!) yet Cincy remains unbeaten. And a 1st loss doesn't always have to happen. Remember these guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDey42 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 These next 3 games are going to be tests for us. Jags and Tennessee aren't great teams, but they are respectable. I think we can pull those two games out, if we play mistake free games...AND CUT DOWN ON PENALTIES.bengalsrz: what do you mean Marvin has to cut down on the fumbles? We only have 2 fumbles for the season. sorry, im an idiot, i ment penaltiesOh, alright. Haha. In that case, I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbusbengal Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Actually, I'm pretty sure the Bengals will lose one of the next two games - I just don't know which one I actually think they can beat the Jags because the Bengals aren't going to let down when they're on national TV. However, due to the injuries, they may just not be capable of beating a decent team on the road. If they do beat the Jags though, the Titans are a perfect "trap game." On the other hand, a loss to the Jags will ensure that the Bengals show up (hopefully healthier) against Tennessee. So I guess 1-1 for the next two weeks. I really am not worried about Pittsburgh at home though. I'd guess I just figure it's almost a guaranteed split with Baltimore and Pitt both. I just hope we don't split with Cleveland, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 don't need to worry about any trap games for a while. The big silver lining for me in today's game is that it was exactly that for us, and despite a bit of a subpar performance, we pulled the game out. Injuries are a definate concern and will have an effect, but I don't think we have to worry about traps until we are at least 7-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Considering four of their first six games to start the year are roadies, I would have been thrilled with a 4-2 record coming out of them back before the season began. Now, I am hoping for 5-1 or 6-0. Unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsrz Posted October 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 sadly, i think we will lose against jax, but i think we can beat tennessee, texans really surprised me today though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Can they keep it up? Hard to say. The sked is entering tougher territory. They've got some injuries starting to pile up. Penalty problems are like a low-grade fever: no real damage yet and could go away, but bears watching. But that said, yeah, I think they still have enough to take Jax...and I'm taking the season one game at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Actually, I'm pretty sure the Bengals will lose one of the next two games - I just don't know which one I actually think they can beat the Jags because the Bengals aren't going to let down when they're on national TV. However, due to the injuries, they may just not be capable of beating a decent team on the road. If they do beat the Jags though, the Titans are a perfect "trap game." On the other hand, a loss to the Jags will ensure that the Bengals show up (hopefully healthier) against Tennessee. So I guess 1-1 for the next two weeks. I really am not worried about Pittsburgh at home though. I'd guess I just figure it's almost a guaranteed split with Baltimore and Pitt both. I just hope we don't split with Cleveland, too It grinds my teeth to admit that you're most likely right about splitting with Pittsburgh, but if the Ravens don't straighten up and fly right soon there's no way they beat the Bengals. Esiason said their game today " looked like a highschool game. " Everybody knows the problems their offense has, but even the defense hasn't been showing up. They played well for the first 3 quarters against the Colts .... then they went into the closet and haven't been seen since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lita Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I don't know... you say our defense didn't play well, but the stats say we did.. but... we did allow lots of big plays, we got gashed every third play it seemed. That being said, though, Houston's offense isn't so bad, they have lots of talent and Carr seems like he can really deal with being sacked. They've got a good RB, a good QB and a good WR... they're like a mini version of us... er.. without the OL...But anyway, getting hit so hard by the Texans isn't such a bad thing. I think our D just had a bad day and the Texans had a good game. Remember when I was saying they were due to play well? And we were due for a loss? We almost shot ourselves in the foot!Well, I said that to say this; I don't think our defense is really as bad as it looked. The Texans have a better offense than they're credited for and they were due for a good game, and our D wasn't used not to getting 5 picks every game. Of course, 6 sacks is okay too, but you get what I meant. ^.^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 All the remain undeafeted teams play away matches next week. I can see the Bengals beating the Jaguars and remaining possibly with Indy as the only teams with 100% come next weekend. Hope so anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I think we can beat Jacksonville, but it's not going to be an easy game. I'm concerned about our situation at center and the penalties. Both of those contributed to the offense being out of kilter against the Texans. In the first three games, the penalities weren't a big deal because the game was already out of reach and some of them were penalities from excitement. In the Texans game, the penalities were largely the stupid ones that teams, except the Raiders, don't want to have.Anyway, hopefully the game against the Texans was our "bad" game and we'll rebound for a nice win under the lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacD BengalFan Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 The formula for the Bengal's to continue winning is get out to an early big lead, which will force the opposition to abandon the running game. This will allow the defense to continue to get sacks and INT's. If the Bengal's continue to struggle defensively against the run and are playing a good running team (Steelers) they will not win the division, and possibly miss the playoffs. They have to reduce the stupid penalties, and continue with winning the turnover margin. If this formula continues, they will win the division and maybe a playoff game or two.But as far as going undefeated, no. Someone will find a way to trip up the Bengal's. Lets just hope it is not the Bengal's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 The formula for the Bengal's to continue winning is get out to an early big lead, which will force the opposition to abandon the running game. This will allow the defense to continue to get sacks and INT's. If the Bengal's continue to struggle defensively against the run and are playing a good running team (Steelers) they will not win the division, and possibly miss the playoffs. They have to reduce the stupid penalties, and continue with winning the turnover margin. If this formula continues, they will win the division and maybe a playoff game or two.But as far as going undefeated, no. Someone will find a way to trip up the Bengal's. Lets just hope it is not the Bengal's. I don't think they're struggling against the run at all. Carr got a couple of big runs, but they held Davis to a pretty mediocre rushing game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbusbengal Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I don't think they're struggling against the run at all. Carr got a couple of big runs, but they held Davis to a pretty mediocre rushing game...I agree. There was no reason for Houston to give up on the run yesterday because they were never very far behind. If they DID give up on the run, it's because they knew they couldn't run at will on the Bengals and would need to mix up the play calling. Actually, I've thought that was the only way to beat the Bengals for over a year now. The Bengals can stop either the run or the pass, but mixing a running game with a short passing game is tough for anyone to stop, but especially the Bengals. Some of this is due to inexperience so I expect the defense to continue to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 The Jags have a decent team, but I've not been really impressed with them. It is a winnable game. We will lose if we rack up 100+ yards in penalties. But if we take this bad game against Houston as a wake up call, we should be able to take this one.I thought Tennessee was underrated until this past week, so that should be winnable too. We also need to win this first Pittsburgh game, because the next one is at their house. Then we should be able to handle GB in Cincy.8-0 seems a bit unrealistic to me. We will probably lose either the Jax game, or the Pitt game. I'd prefer to lose out of the division, rather than to Pittsburgh, but you never know. If Marvin keeps on them, 8-0 is attainable. My guess is 7-1 though... and given the last 15 years. I'd take that in a heartbeat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacD BengalFan Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 5.5 yards per carry by Cleveland, 5.3 yards per carry by Minnisota, 3.9 yards per carry by Chicago and finally 5.5 yards per carry by Houston and out gained 126-98. The first three games, the Bengal's jumped out to a large lead forcing the opposition to abandon the run. Against a team with a good defense that is able to slow down the Bengal's high powered offense, they may not be 4-0. If the Bengal's defense continues to get turnovers and sacks and the offense scores of these, they will be successfull. But if this dry's up and they come across a with both a good defense and running game, then the Bengal's will be exposed and other teams can game plan to this weekness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 5.5 yards per carry by Cleveland, 5.3 yards per carry by Minnisota, 3.9 yards per carry by Chicago and finally 5.5 yards per carry by Houston and out gained 126-98. The first three games, the Bengal's jumped out to a large lead forcing the opposition to abandon the run. Against a team with a good defense that is able to slow down the Bengal's high powered offense, they may not be 4-0. If the Bengal's defense continues to get turnovers and sacks and the offense scores of these, they will be successfull. But if this dry's up and they come across a with both a good defense and running game, then the Bengal's will be exposed and other teams can game plan to this weekness.Different member... same tired old argument. Since It's been refuted over and over, I'll merely post the address where this debate was settled, and quote my post that still stands valid.http://forums.bengalszone.com/index.php?sh...l=defense&st=20You do NOT give up on the running game when down by merely two scores early in the 1st quarter.The Vikings even had an excuse to be down by two scores. One big play by Chad, and a turnover. It was not time to panic... but they gave up on the run, because it was not sustaining their drive. They couldn't get a first down with the run on their second drive.It is assinine to assume that teams abandoned the run due to the score if you simply had paid attention to the games, instead of reading too much into one stat, and opening drives. Cleveland gave up on the run when down by only 3 points, because they couldn't get a 1st down running the ball anymore. Continue to say I'm ignoring these stats if you want, but simply watching the games tells a different story. The teams we have played abandoned the run before a huge point differential had anything to do with it.The Texans did not give up on the running game... made some nice stats, that resulted in a whopping 10 points. Aside from David Carr's scrambles (which he is one of the best in the league at), we only allowed 4 runs of 7 yards or more. Only allowing 4 decent runs a game is excellent defense. Take away those 4 runs, and Davis averages 2.7 ypc.I know you can't take away big runs from stats... my only point is that stats are overrated. If you watched the game rather than just looking at the stats later on you would know that the Texans running game was ineffective against our defense. The YPC stat is misleading.The Colts defense is still allowing 4.5 ypc, to our 4.9 ypc. We're allowing 20.8 rushes/game, they are allowing 21.8 rushes/game. These stats are remarkably similar... because both defenses have been playing well. YPC is a meaningless stat. Please treat it as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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