Stripes Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 The better team lost. The better team was a donkey for the first half of the game. Again. Less than zero patience left for this trash. The turnovers were Marvin playoffs level. No excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 so while I have worked every Sunday all season long, an 8-4 schedule today afforded me the chance to try out a local sports bar and watch my very first game of the season My conclusions - and this wouldnt change even if they had pulled out the win 1. this is a poorly coached team who has immense untapped offensive potential, stymied by waaaaaaaay too conservative play except when the situation becomes desperate, as it was when the Bengals were down 20-6 late. This team should be playing fast, bu it isnt until it is forced to play that way 2. This isnt a playoff team. The early season victories and a possible fade by the Ravens and/or the Browns may mean we do get into the playoffs, but this isnt a team that I'd expect to win a playoff game. No, make that - I'd be shiocked if they won a playoff game. A good shocked, but shocked nonetheless. 3. The weakness on the OLine is showing heavily. Yes, its better than last year, tho thats faint praise indeed. No, its not even average yet, imo, despite what some stats may show. 4. Erikson was unspectacular at the end of his time here but at least he caught the ball. Do we have a guy who can hold onto punts and kickoffs? Is there a guy on someone's PS who can? at the sports bar I was at, people who calling for no returner, just let the Niners just down the ball whereever so we retain possession. If I am running this team, the two KR/PRs they used would both be released on Monday. How big is that injury to Brandon Wilson looking now? 5. The reverses and fake reverses to Chase need to go away. Scheme with him as a WR, not a running back. I am glad to see he got 2 scores today, but it was too little too late. 6. I am shocked Burrow isnt out injured yet. I will credit the guy with a ton of toughness, in addition to his many many many positive traits. We definitely made the right choice there. 7. The wings at Jimmy B's Sports Bar and Grille (on Ohio PIke in Withamsville) are better, bigger, and cheaper than BW3 or Wings and Rings. Couple next to me had chips, salsa, and queso and the order was legit - fresh fried chips, and they ooed and ahhed over the salsa and queso. Much better than I expected at a dive sports bar. Recommended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Running Mixon twice in a row in OT, after he averaged 3.2 ypc all day, was assinine. Needed a TD there to win, you have 3 great WR's, a #1 pick QB, and you don't use any of them. F'ing stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Burrow was torching them. Literally just keep throwing. It’s that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 This must be the 6th or 7th time Burrow has been robbed of a 4thQ/OT comeback in about 23 games played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, cincyhokie said: Zac Taylor ain't it. That's for sure. Nope. I am pleasantly surprised at the number of folks on Bengals Twitter who have come to the same conclusion tonight. Unfortunately I suspect Zac already has enough wins to get at least another year. So the pain will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Disappointing result but eventually this young core will break through to greater things. That taunting on Von Bell end of half was the difference. Don’t fumble kick off. Don’t get a taunting and they win. Great atmosphere in the Jungle today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, AMPHAR said: Disappointing result but eventually this young core will break through to greater things. That taunting on Von Bell end of half was the difference. Don’t fumble kick off. Don’t get a taunting and they win. Great atmosphere in the Jungle today. I agree, was it coaching to cause Phillips to muff two punts? Was it coaching that cause McPherson to miss a sub 50 yard kick? Was it coaching that caused Bates to drop an easy INT? Like it or not, this wasn't a coaching loss....young team, young coach growing together. Irreparable damage would be done to jettison him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 If any coach deserves heat it’s Frank Pollack. SF seemed to be playing a lot of cover 2, light box fronts. Couldn’t run it and pass pro was iffy at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Wraith said: I agree, was it coaching to cause Phillips to muff two punts? Was it coaching that cause McPherson to miss a sub 50 yard kick? Was it coaching that caused Bates to drop an easy INT? Like it or not, this wasn't a coaching loss....young team, young coach growing together. Irreparable damage would be done to jettison him now. The things you mention are a focus, preparation, and discipline issue. If it was one game in many, that’s one thing. This is a pattern. It’s about the coaching. Taylor won’t be fired. But he has zero business being the play caller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, HoosierCat said: Nope. I am pleasantly surprised at the number of folks on Bengals Twitter who have come to the same conclusion tonight. Unfortunately I suspect Zac already has enough wins to get at least another year. So the pain will continue. Look at the line coach if you want play blame game, IMO. Personally I think players should be accountable first but SF had cover 2 a lot and they couldn’t run it. Burrow had a bunch of pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, cincyhokie said: The things you mention are a focus, preparation, and discipline issue. If it was one game in many, that’s one thing. This is a pattern. It’s about the coaching. Taylor won’t be fired. But he has zero business being the play caller. I don’t recall a pattern of dropping kick returns prior to the game and they benched the problem. it was a shitty play by Phillips plain and simple. Can’t run against 7 man fronts cover 2? What coach is going to solve that via play calling? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, AMPHAR said: I don’t recall a pattern of dropping kick returns prior to the game and they benched the problem. it was a shitty play by Phillips plain and simple. Can’t run against 7 man fronts cover 2? What coach is going to solve that via play calling? Seriously? I’m speaking to the mistakes in general happening multiple times in multiple games. This isn’t about casting blame, it’s about responsibility and accountability. It’s core tenants of leadership. Good coached teams don’t do what the Bengals did the last 2 games. Luckily, they have the raw talent to overcome a self imposed deficit. They are fortunate to be 7-6 with a -5 turnover ratio. Another example is the days off given when they beat Pitt and Baltimore. It’s culture and leadership. Not blame and ego. Speaking of ego, ZT needs to let go of play calling. Will he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Jessie Bates is prime example of why PFF or whatever service proclaimed him to be the best safety can’t be relied upon. Solid player? Worth decent contract? Yes. Ed Reed? Nope. Reggie Nelson? Nope. Big money has to go to game changers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, AMPHAR said: Can’t run against 7 man fronts cover 2? What coach is going to solve that via play calling? Seriously? Yes but a good coach/play caller doesn’t stall the momentum of his best playmakers by running the ball in a game where there was zero run game. Situational awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 thats one change I would make immediately - let the OC call the O plays for the rest of the season, with a directive to play faster, less huddling, more passes. Let the pass set up the run 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Second straight week ZT has blamed himself for some sort of playcalling derp. I’ve been patient all year and generally picked up what he’s put down. No mercy now. 24-0 against LAC in “the biggest game of the year to us”. Special teams turnover clown show and another offensive dud in the first half tonight. I am blaming Taylor. He isn’t the only problem, but he’s the biggest problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, cincyhokie said: Yes but a good coach/play caller doesn’t stall the momentum of his best playmakers by running the ball in a game where there was zero run game. Situational awareness. Again what play caller is beating cover 2 with the inability to run the ball? You act this is some easy solution. It’s not and it’s a bad point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stripes said: Second straight week ZT has blamed himself for some sort of playcalling derp. I’ve been patient all year and generally picked up what he’s put down. No mercy now. 24-0 against LAC in “the biggest game of the year to us”. Special teams turnover clown show and another offensive dud in the first half tonight. I am blaming Taylor. He isn’t the only problem, but he’s the biggest problem. Blame Pollack. He’s the run game guru. Can’t run with 2 safeties parked at the hash marks 15 yards deep all game long ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, AMPHAR said: Again what play caller is beating cover 2 with the inability to run the ball? You act this is some easy solution. It’s not and it’s a bad point. Situational awareness. He has little feel for it. Why would you run when your QB is on fire? https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1470198377837117440?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, cincyhokie said: Yes but a good coach/play caller doesn’t stall the momentum of his best playmakers by running the ball in a game where there was zero run game. Situational awareness. They struggled in pass pro lot today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, AMPHAR said: They struggled in pass pro lot today. Not at the end of the game. And not nearly as much on 1st and 2nd downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, cincyhokie said: Situational awareness. He has little feel for it. Why would you run when your QB is on fire? https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1470198377837117440?s=20 Because they had several negative plays throwing and the brilliance of Burrow avoided a handful more going against cover 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, AMPHAR said: Because they had several negative plays throwing and the brilliance of Burrow avoided a handful more going against cover 2. The HC agrees with the majority of us. He played to “not lose”. The passing game was the best option to WIN the game in a game winning situation. Not the run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 If you or anyone wants to defend Taylor go for it. There are defenses available. There are excuses galore. I’m not doing that. I’m not keen to waste a single game with Joe Burrow at QB, and I no longer have faith that ZT isn’t a waste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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