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Can McCarron break the streak?

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If the Bengals beat the 49ers on Sunday, then McCarron will become the first former Alabama player to start at quarterback for the winning team in an NFL regular-season game since Nov. 15, 1987. On that date, Jeff Rutledge was at quarterback for the New York Giants in their 20-17 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles.

Since then, former Alabama quarterbacks have an 0-13 record as NFL starters – 0-1 for McElroy, 0-2 for Rutledge and 0-10 for Croyle

 

 

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40 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:

Sure they can - if he doesn't turn it over and can handle pressure better than Dalton does - then it could get interesting.  He doesn't need to be all-world, he just has to play smart and well under pressure - Dalton's biggest weaknesses.

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6 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:

Well, I hate to disappoint you (spoiler: no, actually I don't) but the job goes back to Dalton the second he's strong enough to grip the ball.

Barring any unforeseen injuries, I think Dalton will destroy all of Anderson and Esaison's records, INCLUDING playoff accomplishments...... wait.....before I make this outrageous claim, let's have a look;

Anderson - 2 playoff wins in 16 years. 0 SB titles.

Esaison - 3 playoff wins in 12 years. 0 SB titles.

Yeah, I think he can win at least 4 playoff games in his career, barring multiple injuries, providing he plays 13 or more years.

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1 hour ago, HoosierCat said:

I'm confident we can too.

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1 hour ago, BengalszoneBilly said:

I'm confident we can too.

The Bengals can win, if the players not named McCarron rally. Despite their 10-3 record, the Bengals have skated on a lot of thin ice this year. With Dalton playing out of his mind, they could let teams hang around and miss opportunities and still count on a late drive to pull a W out. That margin for error just evaporated. So, for example they don't get to give up that one long drive (like they did to start against Pitt Sunday) for seven before the D settles down and plays. They need to stop the opposition from the start. No more letting teams hang around when they have the opportunity to close the door. No more missed tackles, fumbles, miscommunications -- or at least as few as possible. No more stupid penalties, especially of the pre-snap and post-whistle varieties. In short, if the team plays up to its true talent level, they can win (as long as McCarron doesn't turn out to be total trash, and there's no reason to think that will happen at this point).

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18 hours ago, cincyhokie said:

Personally, I never thought they would get to the Superbowl this year.  But what they can do in the playoffs without Dalton might have a bigger impact on the team going into the future.

The way I see it right now, the Bengals are on a collision path to play the Steelers in the WC round.  They might even get the #2 seed.  But,imagine what beating the Steelers in the playoffs would do for them.

At this point, they're officially playing with house money.  

And bring on the Steelers.  That's who I want them to play.

The jury is out on McCarron. Take away two stupid throws and his day wasn't terrible. The game is actually quite close, since those two picks led to 14 points. ANd if duncy Dalton doesn't force the pick he threw, they were on the march to 7. This is a very good team that didn't fold up like a tent.

I can still see this team in the AFC Championship, @ New England. I don't think thy will be the 1 seed but that's all good.

Barnwell makes some good points: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14371328/the-cincinnati-bengals-built-competitive-even-backup-qb-nfl

I'd like to see how he does with a week or two of reps with the 1st team, getting the install while the starter. I point to Brock Osweiler getting a few wins, managing the offense, not making mistakes and having a strong D. To me its about the same thing.

Facing off against the Steelers would be fun, an purging their up-river rivals would boost their confidence. Getting Jones an Iloka back, with EIfert also on the field, and McCarron with 3 full starts under his belt would give them a good shot. F Fat Benji, and that punk-ass Mitchell. COmplaining about Burfict, while they target Eifert with a cheap shot on the first drive? Weak sauce.

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I am having a hard time finding actual game info on this guy. I can find stats, but I'm wondering about the "eye test". Preseason is nothing. In college, he had so much talent around him that I don't know if you can really get anything from that. Along with the NFL being completely different. I saw some bad last week, but some good. I am officially nervous. I would feel even worse if this was his rookie season. I'm looking for optimism. He kind of looks like a doofus, BUT. With a girl like that. He has to have some moxie to him.

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I merged, because it seemed like the same conversation.  Apologize if I was off on that.

In regards to the above, he did have a ton of talent around him, but he has a ton of talent around him now and more so.

The bad should be expected with the inexperience and coming in cold from the sideline.  I would expect this to improve as he gets practice with the #1's this week.

The good was real good by my viewpoint and that deep ball to AJ was beautiful.

He threw for a tad over 9000 yards while at Alabama.  A 66.9 completion percentage with 77 TD's and 15 INT's.

While I would still rather a healthy Andy, color me excited to see how McCarron does over the few weeks.

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He passes the eye test. Confident - seems to have no problem making the throws up the seam and down the middle. Not sure if his arm/decision making good enough for throws outside the hash. He will be fine. The team can win with him at QB this weekend. And even in Denver, frankly. 

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3 hours ago, walzav29 said:

I am having a hard time finding actual game info on this guy. I can find stats, but I'm wondering about the "eye test". 

Well, as far as the pro game goes, you got all the actual game info on McCarron that exists last weekend. My advice would be, don't get your hopes up. Odds are that AJ will look like exactly what he is: a second-year rookie QB making his first NFL (road) start. Last time that happened to Cincy, it was Carson Palmer in the Meadowlands in the 2004 season opener against the Jets. Palmer went 18/27 for 247 yards and two TDs. But down 7 with the ball at midfield and 2 minutes to go, Palmer tossed a pick. Curtis Martin proceeded to pick up a couple first downs and then Chad Pennington took a couple knees to end it.

Now the Jets would finish 10-6 that season, so they were a much better team than the 4-9 49ers McCarron will face Sunday. But McCarron is no Carson Palmer, either. If the Bengals win, my bet is that it will require a solid team effort, which is why the way they lost their poise after Andy went down last week concerns me. Good teams close ranks when adversity hits; poor ones fall apart. I thought we had the former here this year but now I'm not so sure. One way or another the SF game is going to set the tone for the rest of the year, however far it goes.

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Doc's thoughts today...

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The most relevant comparison locally is to Carson Palmer. Nine played behind Jon Kitna his rookie year, before becoming the opening week starter in 2004. His debut was terrific: 2TDs, 1 INT a rating of 105.2 in a 31-24 L to the Jets.

Howevuh. . .

Six of the next eight weeks, Palmer had a rating of 66 or worse, throwing 5 TDs and 11 picks.

Andy Dalton fared better. He shot from the blocks with a rating of 102.4. In five of his next nine starts, he did no better than 64.4., with 14 TDs and 11 INTs. That's good. But not playoff-good.

Each guy settled in after that, and made a nice jump in the last quarter of his rookie season.

What does that mean for McCarron?

That most guys making their first pro starts do well. Teams get a first-game bump (See: Osweiler, Brock). Maybe they're more focused, play more urgently, knowing the precarious situation they're in. But after that. . .

 

 

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1 hour ago, cincyhokie said:

Yep.  Notice because he said local comparison. 

But since McCaron in comparing himself to the great Tom Brady, this make's Doc's statistics null and void.

SB or bust!

And Ben is quoted in that article whining about Burfict:

Yeah, do you want to play the game as physically as you can, and try to win the game, yes. But never to intentionally harm somebody or put someone out of a game or end their season, maybe end their career. That's just not the way the game should be played."

 

The mind reels.  That's not the way the game should be played?  Then why the fuck has your team played that way your whole career?  Repeated success, especially in the limelight, can lead to people just becoming blind to reality.  That statement by Ben is so tone deaf, so imbued with hubris and self interest, that it almost reaches the level of self parody.  Go eat a 50 lb sack of shit you mouth-breathing colossus of stupidity.  

 

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