Does anyone like Andy Dalton?

[walzav29]

The player. This is different from the other thread. I'm just shocked by the anti-Andy sentiment out there. So i'm wondering. Is anyone happy to call him our franchise QB?

[COB]

You give me the alternative, by that I mean if we don't have Andy as our quarterback, who do we have? Wheedon? Palmer? Rogers? I can't decide if I'm happy with him unless I know the alternative.

Also, are we talking Browns Andy or Bills Andy? Big difference.

[HoosierCat]

This is different from the other thread.

Different how?

I'm just shocked by the anti-Andy sentiment out there.

A piece of advice: delete the Andy-haters from your twitter feed. I did that last week and replaced them with a bunch of political pundits. It was much more relaxing.

[COB]

For politics try David Frum.

[HoosierCat]

For politics try David Frum.

Did he start writing again? He went on hiatus a few months ago to find himself or something...

[volcom69]

This is different from the other thread.

Different how? :lol:/>

I'm just shocked by the anti-Andy sentiment out there.

A piece of advice: delete the Andy-haters from your twitter feed. I did that last week and replaced them with a bunch of political pundits. It was much more relaxing.

So you deleted Goodberry then? His handle the other day was Dalton Hater. I think he is not a fan of Burfict either he is always picking out his flaws. I like Goodberrys point of view so I still follow him, but it is annoying when all he does is pick on Dalton or Burfict.

[HoosierCat]

So you deleted Goodberry then? His handle the other day was Dalton Hater. I think he is not a fan of Burfict either he is always picking out his flaws. I like Goodberrys point of view so I still follow him, but it is annoying when all he does is pick on Dalton or Burfict.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Joe from our brief time working together at CJ and as a draft guru he's top notch. But yeah, after he, irishfootball and stanknasty started their gleeful little #QBPurgatory hate club, I bailed on all three. I'll probably pick Joe back up after the season for his draft work but for now he's off my radar.

[volcom69]

So you deleted Goodberry then? His handle the other day was Dalton Hater. I think he is not a fan of Burfict either he is always picking out his flaws. I like Goodberrys point of view so I still follow him, but it is annoying when all he does is pick on Dalton or Burfict.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Joe from our brief time working together at CJ and as a draft guru he's top notch. But yeah, after he, irishfootball and stanknasty started their gleeful little #QBPurgatory hate club, I bailed on all three. I'll probably pick Joe back up after the season for his draft work but for now he's off my radar.

Yea it's hard to read some of the stuff sometimes. He bashes on Burfict a lot as well, which bothers me, I think he just has some hate towards him or something.

[ArmyBengal]

I still go back to what Dalton has been asked to do since day one of him stepping on the field for the Bengals.

He was drafted in the 2nd round and some thought we reached.

He was given an OC who had never coached at that level.

His #1 WR was a rookie just like himself.

In his first season he had no OTA's, mini camps, or camp.

Then you look at what he has done.

Back to back playoffs and looking to make it 3 straight.

Solid numbers comparable to some of the best.

While I still have my issues with him, I don't think it's fair to say he should be like Brady, Manning, or Rodgers.

All of them came along in different situations and have different skill sets.

Look how long it took Brees to come along in the league.

I'm still good with giving him time to develop more and building the team around him.

They've done a better than average job in drafting around him and getting people to extend.

Yeah, I like Andy Dalton as our franchise QB.

I do like COB's question though, what's the alternative ??

[COB]

I don't follow any bengals writer except Reedy. Burfict is a very good player who has leadership and intensity qualities that coaches dream about. Not sure how you could hate on that kid. He's kind of the anti Keith Rivers.

[walzav29]

I still go back to what Dalton has been asked to do since day one of him stepping on the field for the Bengals.

He was drafted in the 2nd round and some thought we reached.

He was given an OC who had never coached at that level.

His #1 WR was a rookie just like himself.

In his first season he had no OTA's, mini camps, or camp.

Then you look at what he has done.

Back to back playoffs and looking to make it 3 straight.

Solid numbers comparable to some of the best.

While I still have my issues with him, I don't think it's fair to say he should be like Brady, Manning, or Rodgers.

All of them came along in different situations and have different skill sets.

Look how long it took Brees to come along in the league.

I'm still good with giving him time to develop more and building the team around him.

They've done a better than average job in drafting around him and getting people to extend.

Yeah, I like Andy Dalton as our franchise QB.

I do like COB's question though, what's the alternative ??

I like Andy as the franchise QB as well. It's amazing to me that he will go to the playoffs his 1st 3 years (excluding major letdown) and 2 NFL MVP's couldn't get the Bengals to the playoffs 3 times in their careers!

[redsbengalsbucks]

I am a Dalton supporter. I have complained about his tendency, early this season to force the ball to a covered AJ when others were open. He seems to have taken steps to fix that problem. I have nothing else to complain about. He is the best overall QB taken in his draft, and he has 2 of the top 15 seasons stats wise that any Bengals QB has ever put in the books.

I still have high hopes that Dalton and this young team will keep getting better and peak about week 14.

[volcom69]

I am a Dalton supporter. I have complained about his tendency, early this season to force the ball to a covered AJ when others were open. He seems to have taken steps to fix that problem. I have nothing else to complain about. He is the best overall QB taken in his draft, and he has 2 of the top 15 seasons stats wise that any Bengals QB has ever put in the books.

I still have high hopes that Dalton and this young team will keep getting better and peak about week 14.

The funny thing is the media never once mentions him in the conversations of good young QBs in this league. I think that's why people still hate Dalton they listen to the media to much, who bash on him if he throw an incompletion.

[Stripes]

My perspective of Dalton:

1.) He has flaws, and it is perfectly understandable when fans groan about them. He is still more turnover prone than anyone would like, and I think he deserves more blame for that than Gruden or his receivers.

2.) His performance has clearly been more positive than negative, and contrary to many people's perceptions I think he is clearly improving with experience. To call for him to be replaced by anyone save a proven, productive veteran (the likes of whom are simply not available often) is nearly bat-s**t crazy.

The Bengals have a young quarterback who has put up solid numbers and made the playoffs in both tries (and is well on course for a third appearance) and is getting better. Isn't that exactly what any team wants when they draft a quarterback high? To expect significantly better of Dalton than his performance to this point is completely unfair and frankly seems vacant of any actual league knowledge. This is how it works.

Maybe many people just hate to see these other young QBs having success early in their careers (Luck, Wilson, Griffin, Kaepernick, Newton) and want Dalton to measure up? If so, then Earth to Bengals Fan: he has measured up. Most of those players have yet to measure up to him.

I know he was bad in his two playoff games against one of the best defenses in the NFL on the road. Bummer. That's a terrible reason to abandon him now.

[Stripes]

I love that the media inexplicably treats him like Mark Sanchez. There is literally no valid argument to support the degree of negative press he has gotten in 2013, statistical or otherwise. I hope the talking heads continue to treat him like a career backup, that can only motivate him and every other player who follows his lead.

[Kazkal]

I'm just fine with him.

[ArmyBengal]

1.) He has flaws, and it is perfectly understandable when fans groan about them. He is still more turnover prone than anyone would like, and I think he deserves more blame for that than Gruden or his receivers.

I think this is the part of Dalton that people misinterpret.

I don't think it's that people (like me) who like Dalton, don't or can't acknowledge that he doesn't have ANY problems.

Most are more than willing to say that he does have problems and he certainly needs to improve in those areas.

I simply think people should give it time. Dalton was never going to be called "elite" in his first few seasons in the league.

Certainly not with the issues he faced (as I mentioned before) in his first season.

Will he ever be considered "elite" ?? Maybe not, but I still think he has the skillset, knowledge, and passion to get us to the Super Bowl.

He has more than enough ability to run this offense the way it is intended to be ran.

I don't think Gruden deserves blame for the poor INT's or his fumbles (Dalton needs to own those), but I think Gruden does deserve blame for when he calls a poor offensive game. That has happened more than once in this season so far.

People can moan and groan all they want and I did my fair share after the Cleveland game for sure.

Luck, Wilson, and Kaepernick haven't won a Super Bowl either and Kaepernick wasn't the starter at the beginning of last year.

RGIII and Cam Newton ?? Please, neither of them have had the success that Dalton has.

Russell Wilson threw 3 TD's last night, but fumbled the ball 3 times, losing 2. No outrage ?? Nope, he's special because they won.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

If he doesn't suck on Sunday in Detroit after the last two weeks of more consistent play, I'll be encouraged.

That stupidly awful 3rd and 3-7 yd QBR rating of 30 needs to keep improving (did so last week, but like Cleveland, that's one game).

[HoosierCat]

That stupidly awful 3rd and 3-7 yd QBR rating of 30 needs to keep improving (did so last week, but like Cleveland, that's one game).

You don't have any idea how ridiculous you sound, do you?

[COB]

It's not ridiculous, it's simple fact. Andy looks horrible at times. He overthrows wide open receivers, throws wobbly long balls, and in certain games like Cleveland he just plain looks horrible.

When his shortcomings are pointed out, typically folks will point to his stats and say, "see these stats? Andy is better than Bart Starr, Joe Namath, and Tom Brady all rolled into one AT THIS STAGE OF THEIR CAREERS." So it isn't ridiculous to me when stats that don't shine, convoluted though they may be, are highlighted.

[Stripes]

Meanwhile, his predecessor is being treated like a helpless abandoned puppy on Grantland.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9842765/bill-barnwell-carson-palmer

[volcom69]

It's not ridiculous, it's simple fact. Andy looks horrible at times. He overthrows wide open receivers, throws wobbly long balls, and in certain games like Cleveland he just plain looks horrible.

When his shortcomings are pointed out, typically folks will point to his stats and say, "see these stats? Andy is better than Bart Starr, Joe Namath, and Tom Brady all rolled into one AT THIS STAGE OF THEIR CAREERS." So it isn't ridiculous to me when stats that don't shine, convoluted though they may be, are highlighted.

The only stat I give a crap about is winning, and in my book he has done a pretty good job of that. For years the only hope I wanted was for this team to make the playoffs, and year after year there was no hope. Since Dalton has come here, at least going into the year we can say there is a chance.

I guess for me im so sick of hearing people talk about how much he sucks, or how they wish they had a better QB, or just showing his flaws, but forgetting about the good things he has done.

We want to talk about Cleveland, did his game stink, hell yea it did, but all QBs have bad days not just Dalton. We should look at the team as a whole in that game, and every game, not just what Andy did. I remember how much the defense sucked in that game, giving up over 50% of third downs, not being about to stop a 3rd string QB. I remember recivers not getting open, no where for Andy to throw it, I also remember how much Gruden and his throw it 40 times a game, and forget about running the ball sucked. So I think as a whole team they blew in that game.

So for me I just wish people could remember the 90s or even the early 2000, hell even when Palmer was here, and how much hope they had going into a season. Least now there is something to look forward to anymore, but I guess that dosnt count for anything. Is Andy the greatest QB, or an All Star, no but he is the QB of this team, and knows how to win, and that's good enough for me.

[HoosierCat]

It's not ridiculous, it's simple fact. Andy looks horrible at times. He overthrows wide open receivers, throws wobbly long balls, and in certain games like Cleveland he just plain looks horrible.

When his shortcomings are pointed out, typically folks will point to his stats and say, "see these stats? Andy is better than Bart Starr, Joe Namath, and Tom Brady all rolled into one AT THIS STAGE OF THEIR CAREERS." So it isn't ridiculous to me when stats that don't shine, convoluted though they may be, are highlighted.

Did you actually read what Shula wrote? Dude, when you've moved the goal posts so far that you are down to complaining about a QBR rating on a specific down and distance, you've lost.

[COB]

Andy has a great team around him. I do remember the years before he got here and not very fondly.

Did you guys see Peter King's tweet during Palmer's game Thursdsy night? Something like, "Poor Bruce Arians, this is probably his only chance to be a head coach, and Carson Palmer is blowing it for him." Palmer's decline and his lack of leadership about wrecked this team, and I recognize how Dslton has helped stabilize the offense.

But it is a mistake to look at this team through a lens colored by the '90s and the Chad/Palmer decline. Learn from it, but don't let it be the primary ingredient in your perspective. Let the perspective be find the areas we can improve and try to improve those areas. Instead of comparing this team to the bad Bengal teams of the past, compare it to the really good teams of the present.

Finally, I wore rose colored glasses when Palmer was here. I just felt like we shouldn't even think of criticizing him because we'd never find anyone as good. I needed to wake up. Palmer blew games right and left with his decision making and lack of leadership. Andy doesn't have those issues. He has other issues, and I don't see the point in acting like he doesn't.

[COB]

For politics try David Frum.

Did he start writing again? He went on hiatus a few months ago to find himself or something...

He's writing, I wasn't aware he had stopped. In a column about the government shutdown, he wrote:

"We followed the most radical voices in our party, and they lead us to abject and irreversible defeat."