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Let’s talk about the run game a bit. I really don’t get it. A lot of us can sit in the stands or on our couch and predict the next plays and outcome on just about every play. I’ll sit here and tell my wife the next play is a run to the right side with Ellis which will net 0 to maybe one yard. And sure enough, that’s exactly what happens. If I can see this and most of you can see this wouldn’t you think the Coaches would see it? Come on man!

What’s really funny is that I bought the Madden 13 game when it came out and played it a bit but haven’t had a lot of time lately. So last night, I decided to stay up and play a game. I’m still in the preseason. So I thought, let me try to do emulate what the coaches run. Run up the rights side with Ellis, and then run up the middle with Ellis. Oh and it was against the Colts and you’ll never guess what happened! You got it, same results that we see on TV every Sunday when the Bengals take the field. 0 to maybe one yard.

On short yardage, I don’t understand why we don’t use a fullback to help open holes. We used to use Peko on goal lines with Benson!! I don’t know, I’m just lost this season.

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Let's talk about the run game a bit.

We have a run game ??? someone tell the coaches and get it in the playbook :read:

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Run game had been a problem since after 09, and they have yet to fix it. Gruden promises the power run game, and fails to bring it. When the run game does work, he stops running the ball, and decides its time to pass. They finally started to run the jumbo package like they did in 09, only to stop using it. The coaches are jokes, they promise alot! Green Ellis is horrible, they didn't even attempt to pick somebody up on the bye week. How long does it take to fix the run game, I'm guess many years with this coaching staff.

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BJGE is really really awful.

No, he isn't. He just is what he is, a solid short-yardage pounder with a knack for falling forward. But he isn't quick or fast and goes down easily. If Scott hadn't gotten hurt he would have been splitting caries with Ellis (if not getting more early in games) with BJGE left to pound out the hard yards in the fourth quarter. But Scott started the season hurt and then lasted all of two plays when he did get in. And at this point it's too late to do anything about it in FA. Guys who are on the street in October are there for a reason (they suck). Why they don't get Peerman more involved I have no clue. Right now he looks to me like the only hope.

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BJGE is really really awful.

No, he isn't. He just is what he is, a solid short-yardage pounder with a knack for falling forward. But he isn't quick or fast and goes down easily. If Scott hadn't gotten hurt he would have been splitting caries with Ellis (if not getting more early in games) with BJGE left to pound out the hard yards in the fourth quarter. But Scott started the season hurt and then lasted all of two plays when he did get in. And at this point it's too late to do anything about it in FA. Guys who are on the street in October are there for a reason (they suck). Why they don't get Peerman more involved I have no clue. Right now he looks to me like the only hope.

I'm not convinced that Scott was ever intended to be a "split carries" type contributor. Under Marvin that has never been the Bengals' strategy with any pair of backs (save maybe for Rudi and Perry when both were healthy). I think he'd have come in to spell BJGE for maybe 5 or 6 carries on a busy day. Thus, when tasked to be the starter and bell cow, I think BJGE is genuinely awful.

Really awful.

Really, really awful.

He'd be better as a short yardage and goal line specialist, but I really don't think that was the extent of the Bengals' plans for him when they brought him aboard.

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  • 4 weeks later...

Well waddya know? The coaching staff has finally noticed this strange object on the roster called a "Peerman."

Gruden also admitted that Cedric Peerman has taken the team by surprise as he moves from seldom-used backup to change-of-pace back. Peerman has had to fight the stigma of being a sixth-rounder who excels on special teams, but with bursts of 31 yards last week and 14 the week before, he is showing he can provide some of the quickness Scott was supposed to show.

“(Peerman) is another guy in training camp and preseason every time he gets the ball he has great vision and does good things. When we had Bernard and Cedric (Benson), he didn’t get the reps. Then on third down Brian Leonard would come in so he was never in the mix," Gruden said. "More of a special teams guy. He didn’t have enough handoffs in our game plan to get all four touches. But now that we have (Peerman) as the number two, he’s been able to take advantage of his reps. We had a feeling he would be pretty good but you don’t know until you give him those reps.

“I’d say a bit of a pleasant surprise. We needed him to step up in that role. It was a tough loss when Bernard went down, we had high hopes for him. When he went down we thought we would lose that change-of-pace guy. I didn’t think he’d be known for breaking a long one like he’s done but we are surprised about that. Just keep getting him more touches.”

With 240 yards, Peerman is just 140 behind Scott's total last season of 380 spelling Benson. Scott did that on 3.4 yards per carry while Peerman is at 8.3 per, but he has runs of 48 and 32 on fake punts. Yet take those two away and he's still averaging 5.9 yards per carry with 160 yards on 27 carries.


/>http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Notes-Red-head-zone-First-to-third-Change-at-change-of-pace/7bffbbac-1028-41c4-bcd7-d73604b9e519

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I'm really interested in seeing what the running game does moving forward in the season.

Maybe, just maybe, they simply needed some time for things to come together.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, it was playing two horrible run defenses.

I'm just hoping they stick with it and they keep doing better.

It's obvious how much it helps Dalton.

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I'm really interested in seeing what the running game does moving forward in the season.

Maybe, just maybe, they simply needed some time for things to come together.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, it was playing two horrible run defenses.

I'm just hoping they stick with it and they keep doing better.

It's obvious how much it helps Dalton.

In the past the Bengals believed it was more important to establish a running game in order to set up the passing game. As of late the Bengals have been using Dalton's arm to set up the running game. The only reason that this has worked well the last couple of weeks is because Gruden has been calling more screens and short passes to keep the defense honest. Just that extra second of defensive players flinching on a possible pass play, helps the running backs to hit the hole sooner without it being filled by a LBer or safety.

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I'm really interested in seeing what the running game does moving forward in the season.

Maybe, just maybe, they simply needed some time for things to come together.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, it was playing two horrible run defenses.

I'm just hoping they stick with it and they keep doing better.

It's obvious how much it helps Dalton.

In the past the Bengals believed it was more important to establish a running game in order to set up the passing game. As of late the Bengals have been using Dalton's arm to set up the running game. The only reason that this has worked well the last couple of weeks is because Gruden has been calling more screens and short passes to keep the defense honest. Just that extra second of defensive players flinching on a possible pass play, helps the running backs to hit the hole sooner without it being filled by a LBer or safety.

What you say? A well run West Coast offense passing attack will actually work to better the run game also. Why on earth did it take the team this long to remember this fact of a WCO?

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Funny how people are all upset with Peerman being gone when not only 3 weeks ago, people were saying how he doesn't provide that much.

Herron could make an impact if the o-line continues to block well, but my concern is losing the speed and quickness of Peerman.

Herron was never a speed type back and losing that dimension hurts.

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No more Peerman for a while is not good, blech on Boom Heron (the curse of Jim Lippinpants and his "master scouting").

But, BJGE is obviously doing very well and is doing what I hoped he would when they signed him (always liked him, thought he was under-utilized/valued a bit).

Yes BJGE will be getting 25-30 carries a game now. I hope he can handle it, because the rest of the season is VERY important. Every game the rest of the year is like a playoff game.

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Funny how people are all upset with Peerman being gone when not only 3 weeks ago, people were saying how he doesn't provide that much.

Who was saying that? :huh:/>

As for the Herron move, meh. Now we have have BJGE and mini-BJGE.

You don't remember when the topic came up about giving Peerman more snaps and people eluded to all of his yards coming from fake punts ??

I wanted him to get more snaps over Scott early on, but knew that wasn't going to happen. When he finally did, this happens. D*mn.

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Funny how people are all upset with Peerman being gone when not only 3 weeks ago, people were saying how he doesn't provide that much.

Who was saying that? :huh:/>/>

As for the Herron move, meh. Now we have have BJGE and mini-BJGE.

You don't remember when the topic came up about giving Peerman more snaps and people eluded to all of his yards coming from fake punts ??

I wanted him to get more snaps over Scott early on, but knew that wasn't going to happen. When he finally did, this happens. D*mn.

Nope, must have missed that one. FWIW I was just arguing for more Peerman the other day...


/>http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/11/28/3704378/peermania-catch-it

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