Lewis must go

[cincyhokie]

It seems that some people vastly underestimate the importance of leadership. Without leadership, all the talent in the world is null. Marvin Lewis directly deserves a vast majority of the blame in this collapse of a season. Everything about this team relflects it's leader. Mediocre, accepting, non-chalant, no urgency, soft, etc.

We can blame the players, sure. But when the number one problem is at the top, I'm looking at him first and foremost.

[cincyhokie]

Now we have Dalton calling his own performance "pure passion" looking at how the Bengals came back to take a lead in the second half.

Next week maybe we can get a Jeff Blake like quote of "I was having fun out there today" ala 1997.

[volcom69]

These quotes are "to die for"! So tired of hearing it anymore.

[ArmyBengal]

I'm so sick of hearing any praise thrown at individual players when the team just lost their 4th game in a row.

Who gives a sh*t how many TD's you threw, caught, or ran for ??

Who gives a sh*t how many tackles, INT's, or pass break ups you had ??

YOU F*CKING LOST !!!

[jjakq27]

I think the time has finally come for a change. Marvin seems completely bored and all of the excitement has already left his third iteration in ten years. Maybe this team wasn't all that good last year and benefited from marginal competition early on. Obviously the rest of the league has caught up to the offense and defense this year.

This team is young enough that a new coach and staff could easily add some juice to a stagnant group. Unfortunately, starting with someone new could also mean re-tooling or starting over.

I think there are only a handful of guys that are worthy of a free pass and if it weren't for AJ Green, this team might be in the bottom of the league in everything.

I don't expect MB to make a change but come season ticket renewal time next year, I think they will lose a lot of fans...and they won't be back.

[ArmyBengal]

Starting over ??

It's either that or continue waiting for the time people are fired and we have to start over.

Either way, we are delaying the inevitable.

AJ Green, Atkins, and maybe a couple others at this point.

Go from there. Everyone else is suspect...

[cHaD711Johnson]

This thread is hilarious. The team just isn't good enough. Too many holes, patchwork secondary, patchwork linebacker corp, lack of an explosive running back. The team isn't good enough. We definitely should be better than where we are right now, but the team just isn't good enough. Coaching and personnel BOTH have been issues. When you have to bring back Chris Crocker after how bad he sucked last year and he begins getting significant snaps, then that shows you the problem there. Hopefully, we can steal some games going forward, but I'm not too enthused anymore. Just bring on the offseason.

No argument at all. But it should be noted that many of those holes were created by a coaching staff that thought it could do better or undervalued the guys in those spots last year. To use Bill Parcells' old analogy, you're right that many of the groceries are rotten. But Lewis was the one who went shopping.

Who did the staff undervalue? How do you know that they undervalued the spots, versus ol Mikey boy not wanting to pay them? Look at one of the most glaring holes on the team, being CB. Did Marvin undervalue JJoe or was that Mike Brown? When your owner places you in a position where you have to make patchwork signings then you simply have to do what you can. Our big signings were Wharton, Anderson, Terrance Newman, etc. We had a great deal of cap room and these are our marquee signings. As a HC hear you're basically put in a position where you need to hit on the majority of your draft picks because the owner isn't going to do much to help you. It's a sad reality, regardless of who the coach is here.

[HoosierCat]

Who did the staff undervalue? How do you know that they undervalued the spots, versus ol Mikey boy not wanting to pay them?

The first guy I would point to is Simpson. That wasn't a money issue. Jerome was terribly inconsistent but at least he was capable of elite play, if sporadically. But the coaches thought they could do better, and specifically do better with guys already here in Tate and Binns. Another case would be Crocker. Again, not a money issue, they just decided he could be replaced by Taylor Mays.

[cincy9275]

to me the main problem is mikey is ok with average or less. which is what marvin has done here. so until the expectations at the top change. we are going to keep getting the same bs. if the boss doesn't care, then why in the hell would the coach? when the coach knows just enough is good enough to get by. mike and pumpkin need to raise the bar and let marvin know if he fails to make a playoff run.. win a playoff game or else. nothing will change. i mean 9 years a 47% win loss and 0-3 in playoff, where else could a coach with that resume keep a job since 03? only here that where!! yes i am very sick of marvin. it's time to move on!

[rwjcgc]

Mike Brown is not going to hold himself accountable. Would you fire yourself? How about would

you fire yourself if you are making money hand over fist? He hangs out in the mansion and surely has

yes men hanging on his every word. He has the city in fact hostage, would you rather have

his brand of football or no football. He could always move if the city tried to get shed of him, there's

plenty of towns that would take him and the team in a minute.

Also, why would Marvin voluntarily leave even if he isn't getting full support from the top - his credibility is shot,

it's not like he's going to get another head coaching gig anywhere else. It will take a Romeo Crennel situation with

a HC opening falling into his lap, otherwise he's back to being the second banana at probably less pay. Can you

imagine any fan base getting excited about getting a Bengals cast-off as their new head coach? It definitely

wouldn't sell many tickets. The owners must take this kind of thing in consideration.

I have to wonder who wipes Brown's glasses (so to speak)? Jerry Jones has his son-in-law for that!!!

[Horsemen]

Also, why would Marvin voluntarily leave even if he isn't getting full support from the top - his credibility is shot,

it's not like he's going to get another head coaching gig anywhere else.

He tried to leave, he received a phone call for a DC opening and another for SF where it was clear he was the Rooney Rule candidate only. It backfired big time on him. He knows he has no escape from here outside of maybe one day landing a TV gig and it's showing on the field, in his pressers, and in his facial expressions. He's stuck bending over for Mikey and he knows it. Mikey meanwhile has to be LOVING it, the boat can no longer be rocked and he has an average to mediocre HC who'll keep the stadium filled as long as he posts a winning season every few years by the balls. Make no mistake, he has Giggles by the raisin nuts and is in full control. This whole fantasy seen among Bengaldom that roles are reversed and Lewis is secretly the President and GM as well now is just that, fantasy.

Lewis is the new Paul Alexander/Jim Anderson. A lifer not good enough to land anywhere else who is stuck being MB's bitch.

[volcom69]

At this point fire Lewis and give me Andy Reid, do whatever you have to too get him! Reid had had only 2 losing seasons since 1999! At least he gives his team a shot, that all I want is to know every year my team has a shot! With Marvin I will never have that feeling, oh and at least with Reid we would actually run a WCO, not some UFL or Arena crap!

[COB]

Didn't Marvin sign a two year deal before last season? Which would put him at the end of his deal after this season, which may mean new head coach.

[volcom69]

No he still has next year yet. If mike does not fire Marvin after a year like this, then I give up. Expectations are so high, fans excited, and to play like this is just horrible! Give me some new blood for this team, we already know what Marvin has to offer.

[cincyhokie]

No he still has next year yet. If mike does not fire Marvin after a year like this, then I give up. Expectations are so high, fans excited, and to play like this is just horrible! Give me some new blood for this team, we already know what Marvin has to offer.

His contract is up after the 2013 season. Which means he'll be off his contract in January 2014.

[Horsemen]

Didn't Marvin sign a two year deal before last season? Which would put him at the end of his deal after this season, which may mean new head coach.

As I understand it after 9-7 and 1 and done last season Brown gave him another extension here through 2014. He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Vol: I hear ya. Sorta related but last year when Lewis was heading for FA after a 4 win season I proposed on another board that we needed to go after John Fox. Half that board was living out this delusional fantasy(and their Steeler worship) that Bill Cowher would come here and that Mike Brown needed him to get on the phone. The other half, comprised of a 450b Black Panther, his racist buddies and their apologetic liberal lapdogs were all arguing that Marvin Lewis was secretly this wonderfully great HC, just as good as Bill Cowher and that "the (white) man" was holding him down from his greatness. The only option was to keep him or replace him with Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, Herm Edwards, ect.

So I suggested Fox. Reality was Cowher would NEVER come here and Lewis blows and that for the Bengals our Jon Gruden, our Bill Cowher was John Fox. Fox was a guy who figured out how to win with an owner almost as bad as Mike Brown, had won playoff games, had posted back to back winning seasons and had been to the SB. People universally hated it over there. TBBP said Lewis was infinitely better than Fox and the daydreamers were in Cowher or nothing mode. Since that board no longer exists i'm briefly patting myself on the back. AFCC game with Timmy Teblow as his QB and now with Peyton Manning as his guy the skies the limit. Yep, glad we overlooked that one.

What's that got to do with Andy Reid? Well, Reid is the PERFECT fit here. He's experienced and successful as the GM/HC. He's one of the few able to do both jobs at a high level. Is he perfect? Far from it. Better than what we have? Infinitely. He's exactly what Mike Brown expects in a HC, a guy who'll do the jobs of five guys. Which is why Mike Brown will pass on him just like he passed on the other guy that would have fit here, Bill Belichick. The problem is Reid WOULD succeed here and he WOULD win year after year after year. That doesn't work for the Brown Family. That means having to spend good money to keep players, that means spending money on playoff games(which keep in mind, MB testified in a court of law you lose money in the playoffs) and that means raised expectations.

Lewis is exactly what Brown wants. Now i'm not trotting out the tired old "Brown doesn't care about winning" cliche`. No he cares... Up to A POINT. Mikey is a guy... Who wants one of those one year bounces here everything clicks for a season and he gets his Lombardi. He ISN'T a guy who wants to be spending his money on making the playoffs year after year after year. It's expensive remember. .500 most of the time, some losing seasons here and there and taking a shot every 4 or 5 years is what Mike Brown likes and wants. Andy Reid would screw all that up by going 10-6 or better year after year, consistently making the playoffs and consistently costing Brown money. He has no interest in a guy like that.

[volcom69]

Yes which is why I can't understand why people don't like Reid. He is consistant and he wins! Look at the years he won his teams were far from talented, but he made it work with McNabb, because he built the team around him. Let him come in and build this team around Dalton and the WCO. Let him bring in his coaches, and do his thing. Philly fans are so mad with him, he'll ill take Reid and his 2 losing seasons, over Marvin and his inconsistency. Well this is just a hope I have, know it won't happen, but I can dream! Ill be pissed though if he ends up in Clevland!

[Horsemen]

Yes which is why I can't understand why people don't like Reid. He is consistant and he wins! Look at the years he won his teams were far from talented, but he made it work with McNabb, because he built the team around him. Let him come in and build this team around Dalton and the WCO. Let him bring in his coaches, and do his thing. Philly fans are so mad with him, he'll ill take Reid and his 2 losing seasons, over Marvin and his inconsistency. Well this is just a hope I have, know it won't happen, but I can dream! Ill be pissed though if he ends up in Clevland!

Philly fans are THE biggest morons on the planet is why. Despite being a perennially s**tty team that was turned around by Reid they feel entitled to being like the Pats or Steelers. They've always felt entitled to being a dynasty decade after decade. Reid can "only" get them deep in the playoffs each year, not good enough, he's trash to them. Just like Joe Banner was for whatever reason trash to them, despite having the ability to constantly have $40+ million dollars available in salary cap to spend each year. Ponder that for a moment. For over a decade now Philly has had a HC that consistently has them deep in the playoffs and SB contenders, they had a team President that was a math genius and able to create an endless supply of funds to keep their team built and stocked with players and they still bitched and whined the entire time. Ran Banner out the door and now Reid. Morons.

Hey, I dream of the same my man. I'd love nothing more than to see "BREAKING: Marvin Lewis fired from Cincinnati" followed by "BREAKING: Andy Reid named Bengals General Manager and Head Coach." I'd LOVE it. I would finally have hope every year and be excited FOR each new season. I'm just not holding my breath or getting my hopes up on it. If Lewis ever goes I fully expect Brown to return to form and hire from either within or hire someone formerly from here(Bresnahan? Brat? *Puke*) like old times. More than likely Lewis will be out, Hue Jackson will be in. My biggest fear right now with Clevelands new owner hiring Joe Banner to run the team Banner brings in Andy Reid. It is a possibility. They will then have the same F.O. and Coaching staff Philly has had up until two years ago. Same President, GM and HC that turned Philly around. Wouldn't be good for us at all.

[volcom69]

Yep that's my fear Reid to Clevland! Philly fans don't remember how bad it was before Reid got there that's the problem your right. At least they knew they had a shot, he got them to the big games, didn't always win, but hey he got them there. That's all in asking for here, and I'm so frustrated because we're stuck with this fool, and there are Philly fans crying because they are having a bad year, only the 3rd time since 1999!

[Spor_tees]

Hell no, we won't go! Hell no, we won't go.

Welp I'm back. I got banned I guess at the other site because they are fully of democrat hippies and didn't take to well for me pointing out all the national security risks that has happened in just the last year, up to and including the Libya attack and Petraeus resignation. Don't worry I'll be nice.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Welp I'm back. I got banned I guess at the other site

There is no "other" site. There is Bengaslzone, then there's bu**s**t. You obviously stepped in doo-doo.

[Spor_tees]

Welp I'm back. I got banned I guess at the other site

There is no "other" site. There is Bengaslzone, then there's bu**s**t. You obviously stepped in doo-doo.

Well I'm back and I'll behave. I just got on the bad side of some hippie tree hugging democrats that didn't like to be told how crappy national defense has gotten under Obama

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Everyone's tired of Marvin ball, just going through the motions until he quits or retires or takes another position with the org.

[Spor_tees]

Everyone's tired of Marvin ball, just going through the motions until he quits or retires or takes another position with the org.

I'll let you guys in on a little secret. I really think the 2 year extension was nothing but a ruse in order to keep players from thinking they were playing for a lame duck coach. If the Bengals do not make the playoffs, I truly feel that Marvin may just decide to resign, or Mike Brown will shift him within the organization so he can handle scouting and still be able to spend time with his family. Marvin's kids are roughly the same age I believe, as Bill Cohwer's were when he decided to retire.

[HoosierCat]

Welcome back, BB.