Lewis must go

[jonf45uk]

week in, week out. Year in, year out. Out coached, out thought, out manouvered. 14-6 up with a minute to go in the half, getting the ball back 1st in the second and we keep throwing. 24-17 down in the 4th and we keep running. Every week through the game we say there's no half time adjustment, and last night was no exception. Pittsburgh were there for the taking, just like cleveland, and miami and almost every other team we end up losing too. Sick and tired of it. Lazy coaching seems to turn decent players into average ones.

This is the worse Bengals defence since the 90's, So soft in the middle. Yeah we get a load of sacks, but who cares when you know you can pick up 3rd and long so easily??

Rant over........... for a while anyway. Gutted.

[walzav29]

TO me it's a catch22. One one hand Marvin has worked a miracle with Mike Brown as the owner. On the other hand we haven't won a playoff game with Marv as coach. There is never a witty gameplan. They were so outcoached last night. I've never seen the Bengals scheme someone out of a game like they did AJ Green. That team was wiped out. Ughhhh Totally blew it.

[HoosierCat]

Here's the problem: who replaces Lewis? Lewis is one of the lowest-paid HCs in the NFL because owner Mike Brown is...frugal. He also doesn't like coaches who give him too much guff (ask Sam Wyche). So Mike isn't going to pony up the coin needed for a top-tier coach, or hire anyone with a spine (hi there Tom Coughlin!) Until that changes, any head coaching change is just more rearranging of the deck chairs on the HMS Bengaltanic.

[cincyhokie]

Here's the problem: who replaces Lewis? Lewis is one of the lowest-paid HCs in the NFL because owner Mike Brown is...frugal. He also doesn't like coaches who give him too much guff (ask Sam Wyche). So Mike isn't going to pony up the coin needed for a top-tier coach, or hire anyone with a spine (hi there Tom Coughlin!) Until that changes, any head coaching change is just more rearranging of the deck chairs on the HMS Bengaltanic.

I think all of us knew this kind of season was coming. I think we all know where ML can ultimately take us. It's still so disappointing. Reality bites.

[ArmyBengal]

Hoosier, i'm to a point where I no longer care.

At least the next guy will come in with a new perspective.

To accept what we've gotten from a guy who claims he finally has a team of his guys isn't happening any longer.

At least not from myself.

[bwillycuse]

Sick of Lewis. Sick of terrible time management and replay wasting. Need to check on his review percentage. I know of three games he has lost both. Two of which were playoff games.

He is not smart. Routinely outcoached. Its embarrassing.

This season is pretty much toast.

Not sure if its good or not but, zimmer and Gruden stock has to be low around the league.

Steelers, browns, and Miami outplayed, outcoached the Bengals. And they are terrible.

I also fear that we are stuck with Dalton for years to come. Stuck with his bad decisions,bad accuracy. Bad ball security.

Being a Bengal fan right now feels so pointless.

Glad I boughta four game ticket pack thinking this team would show up for the fans. At least now I can go to the games and laugh and boo. A little fun in that.

Mike brown will see a large drop in revenue this year into next. He got lucky last year. Unless Marvin turns this around and gets to ten or eleven wins. Because we will win zero tie breakers.

Done with my rambling rant. Done with Bengals fora couple weeks. Been a bad month for cincy sports.

[HoosierCat]

Hoosier, i'm to a point where I no longer care.

At least the next guy will come in with a new perspective.

To accept what we've gotten from a guy who claims he finally has a team of his guys isn't happening any longer.

At least not from myself.

Oh, believe me, I understand. I think I hit the "don't care" wall about two years ago. It's the main reason my Bengals blogging has fallen off so severely; I just can't muster the effort any longer. There's golf to be played, leaves to be raked, etc. All I'm saying is that I doubt you will get even so much as a "new perspective," given the limitations on what kind of head coach the FO will consider.

[COB]

I'd give Zimmer a try right now. Or Gruden. I'm in the Army mindset - just get someone else in here. I've always supported Marvin, but these last 3 games have been a f**king disgrace.

[cincyhokie]

Hoosier, i'm to a point where I no longer care.

At least the next guy will come in with a new perspective.

To accept what we've gotten from a guy who claims he finally has a team of his guys isn't happening any longer.

At least not from myself.

Oh, believe me, I understand. I think I hit the "don't care" wall about two years ago. It's the main reason my Bengals blogging has fallen off so severely; I just can't muster the effort any longer. There's golf to be played, leaves to be raked, etc. All I'm saying is that I doubt you will get even so much as a "new perspective," given the limitations on what kind of head coach the FO will consider.

Indeed. There's only so many times you can watch the same story unfold. Bengals have bad season, then rebound with good effort season, then have disappointing season, then bad season, then have a decent season, then a diasppointing season, and on and on and on....

I realized something last night flipping back and forth from the game to other shows....I was kind of bored with them.

It was like I wasn't watching the game live, it was like I was watching a Steelers-Bengals game on DVR from the last 10 years. I already knew the outcome.

[BengalszoneBilly]

As much as I'd like to see a change at HC, I highly doubt Mike would ever fire Marvin. Sadly I just don't see it.

[ArmyBengal]

Hoosier, i'm to a point where I no longer care.

At least the next guy will come in with a new perspective.

To accept what we've gotten from a guy who claims he finally has a team of his guys isn't happening any longer.

At least not from myself.

Oh, believe me, I understand. I think I hit the "don't care" wall about two years ago. It's the main reason my Bengals blogging has fallen off so severely; I just can't muster the effort any longer. There's golf to be played, leaves to be raked, etc. All I'm saying is that I doubt you will get even so much as a "new perspective," given the limitations on what kind of head coach the FO will consider.

I got you brother and agree we may indeed be limited, but I still don't care.

I just think Marvin is done with what he's capable of doing here.

He probably reached that point a while ago and I just didn't want to acknowledge it.

Hope sucks...

[Sea Ray]

Here's the problem: who replaces Lewis? Lewis is one of the lowest-paid HCs in the NFL because owner Mike Brown is...frugal. He also doesn't like coaches who give him too much guff (ask Sam Wyche). So Mike isn't going to pony up the coin needed for a top-tier coach, or hire anyone with a spine (hi there Tom Coughlin!) Until that changes, any head coaching change is just more rearranging of the deck chairs on the HMS Bengaltanic.

I say fire Marvin this week and replace him with Hue Jackson. Hue has done a good job everywhere he's gone, including Oakland. If you don't believe me, checkout how well they've done since he left. This keeps the coordinators in place and we can evaluate their status at the end of the year. I think you'd see a resurgence and we'd not see anymore sleepwalking stinkers like we saw last night. Who's with me?

[HoosierCat]

I say fire Marvin this week and replace him with Hue Jackson.

Fine by me.

[ArmyBengal]

I say fire Marvin this week and replace him with Hue Jackson.

Fine by me.

As he falls directly in the "whatever works" category, sign me up...

[cincyhokie]

Here's the problem: who replaces Lewis? Lewis is one of the lowest-paid HCs in the NFL because owner Mike Brown is...frugal. He also doesn't like coaches who give him too much guff (ask Sam Wyche). So Mike isn't going to pony up the coin needed for a top-tier coach, or hire anyone with a spine (hi there Tom Coughlin!) Until that changes, any head coaching change is just more rearranging of the deck chairs on the HMS Bengaltanic.

I say fire Marvin this week and replace him with Hue Jackson. Hue has done a good job everywhere he's gone, including Oakland. If you don't believe me, checkout how well they've done since he left. This keeps the coordinators in place and we can evaluate their status at the end of the year. I think you'd see a resurgence and we'd not see anymore sleepwalking stinkers like we saw last night. Who's with me?

Cool. I'm for it.

[ArmyBengal]

Seriously, at 3-4 heading into the bye week and 1-3 in the Division, why not shake things up ??

If we are being honest, when considering the way this team has played and coached, where does anyone see additional victories coming ?? I keep hearing we will be lucky to go 6-10 on the season now and I keep thinking, SIX ??

Broncos ?? LOSS

Giants ?? LOSS

At Chiefs ?? WIN

Raiders ?? WIN

At Chargers ?? LOSS

Cowboys ?? LOSS

At Eagles ?? LOSS

At Steelers ?? LOSS

Ravens ?? LOSS

That's 5-11, but don't consider either of those two wins i'm giving them as "locks". It's always hard playing in Kansas City and the Raiders have both a running and passing game, regardless of how much I hate Carson Palmer's guts. I TRULY wouldn't be surprised to see this team not win another game this season.

Even with those two wins, how can Lewis be on firm ground ?? Ridiculous...

[Sea Ray]

Does Mike Brown want to tolerate what we've seen so far this year or does he want to show that he's willing to do something that says "this isn't the same old Bengals"? He has a chance to change the perception.

[kingwilly]

I am embarassed to be a Bengal fan today.

Last night looked like the team was coached by a guy who won a contest to coach the team for a game. You all have well illustrated the issues, so I won't rehash.

What I saw from a scheme standpoint was an offense that simply didnt' show up.

1. How/Why was Whalen so involved? Whalen leads team with 4 catches for 31 yards. Are you f**king kidding me? Where was Hawkins, Tate, Binns, and Leonard???? I'm baffled. who is making these decisions. If Gruden, then I've lost any spark of confidence I had in him. If ML, then, wel, we all feel the same about ML...

2. When will they admit Gresham is just not very good. Runs crap routes, disapears for huge stretches of time... He might have looked good at combine but he is garbage. total garbage.

3. Dalton regression. Andy is playing with some realy poor form. Passes are not sharp, lots of indecision, no idea how to move or throw ball away... f**k.

4. Please cut Newman. He will not tackle. watched a play go right past him, for a first down, and he didn't even try to make th hit.

5. Please cut Rey. His game is one of simply running aimlessly into the line. He is slow, can't tackle, and has shown he is just too dumb to be on the field. Bargain in the second round, BS, he is not starter material in the NFL.

6. Really bad playcalls. Running the ball late. those 4th quarter 3 and outs... throwing long on 3rd and 2 in second quarter... just f**king dumb. outright incompetence.

7. TOTALLY OUTCOACHED. NO second half adjustments. the bengals D, personnel-wise, is two players away. Tey need another LB (bye Rey) and another CB (bye Newman), but the scheme is seriously bad. no blitzing, playing soft zones, no idea what to do about a TE for years... I give up on Zimmer. No coach has ever benefited more form dead cat bounce than Zimer.

8. Marvin is simply stupid. There is time and time again that he makes the wrong choice, now for years. His collection of idiotic coaching moves could fill an hourlong outtake reel. I can honestly say that any one of us could do at least as well, if not better than ML. He is seriously bad. Maybe the worst coach in NFL.

[cincyhokie]

Does Mike Brown want to tolerate what we've seen so far this year or does he want to show that he's willing to do something that says "this isn't the same old Bengals"? He has a chance to change the perception.

Why would he do anything at 3-4? He's thinking this team can finish 12-4.

[volcom69]

Yea I'm pretty much done caring anymore about this team until changes are made, and I don't see it happening for a couple years. I like the Hue Jackson idea, if not head coach then let him run the offense Gruden blows!

Here's a question how is that teams can make changes in a game to stop the bengals, but the bengals can't make changes, to stop the other team? That is horrible coaching all the way around!

[Scottishbengal]

I say fire Marvin this week and replace him with Hue Jackson.

Fine by me.

Can't see Lewis falling on the sword, can't see Mike Brown dropping the axe ....but if either did happen then Hue Jackson would get my shout to take over

[volcom69]

Marvin Lewis says he is open to personnel changes! However he is not looking to change MLB! There needs to be alot of changes for this team and Marvin your on the top, with Gruden next. I know the defense had been crap, but I blame the offense for these losses with not getting 3rd downs, turnovers everywhere, keeping the defense on the field to long. How do they go from scoring over 30 points a game, to not moving the ball in the second half of each game. Hope Gruden looks at himself in the mirror!

[ArmyBengal]

Not looking to change MLB huh ??

You mean you don't want to replace the man who said the UDFA rookie has a better grasp on things than he did ??

Yeah, that would suck...

[cincyhokie]

Not looking to change MLB huh ??

You mean you don't want to replace the man who said the UDFA rookie has a better grasp on things than he did ??

Yeah, that would suck...

Lack of accountability starts from the top down. It's the Bengal way.

[HoosierCat]

Not looking to change MLB huh ??

You mean you don't want to replace the man who said the UDFA rookie has a better grasp on things than he did ??

Yeah, that would suck...

Lack of accountability starts from the top down. It's the Bengal way.

Well, to be fair, replace Rey with...who? If Howard hadn't gotten hurt, I think Rey would already be second string, but as is next year's MLB is currently playing WILL. And given how well he's doing it's tough to move him. I guess they could try Muck but remember, he didn't even make the final cut.

Not trying to defend Rey's play at all here, just saying they're basically screwed right now.