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Would it really kill them to at least put forth some kind of effort for the fans? I mean I know the FO already thinks the fan base is just a bunch of slack jawed knuckle dragging retards with bank accounts for them to exploit but would it really kill them to fake interest in putting together a decent roster? They could "leak" stories to the media that they are 4th in the running for Manning, or a few good stories that they have visits lined up with 20 FA's making it look like they are big time players in the pool; just to give fans some kind of hope that we'll see a great team this year instead of the struggle we'll see against any team that is above .500 Deep down we'll all know that they are not serious but it would give a slimmer of hope like the first few minutes after you buy a Powerball ticket and think about the s**t you would do if you won and then reality slips back in when you walk back to your 99 Altima to drive back to work.

The "build thru the draft" mantra is getting old isn't it?

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Would it really kill them to at least put forth some kind of effort for the fans? I mean I know the FO already thinks the fan base is just a bunch of slack jawed knuckle dragging retards with bank accounts for them to exploit but would it really kill them to fake interest in putting together a decent roster? They could "leak" stories to the media that they are 4th in the running for Manning, or a few good stories that they have visits lined up with 20 FA's making it look like they are big time players in the pool; just to give fans some kind of hope that we'll see a great team this year instead of the struggle we'll see against any team that is above .500 Deep down we'll all know that they are not serious but it would give a slimmer of hope like the first few minutes after you buy a Powerball ticket and think about the s**t you would do if you won and then reality slips back in when you walk back to your 99 Altima to drive back to work.

The "build thru the draft" mantra is getting old isn't it?

Well it is what they should do, but to do that they need to keep there own players, guys that they have made good. It shows this year that they are not doing that even though that's what the plan was! I don't even know if this team has a plan

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I don't even know if this team has a plan

Just speculation on my part: Mike is so madly in love with the new CBA that he's forsaking veterans in favor of players who's contracts fall under the new CBA. Think about it. Look at what a good veteran costs versus a newly drafted guy playing the same position.

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At a guess, I would say the "plan" is something like this:

O-Line: The Bengals know they need upgrades at G. However, they are not going to use a first round pick on the position under any circumstance. DeCastro and Glenn are not options at 17 or 22. Instead, they think they can upgrade those spots later in the draft, which is why they engaged McNally as a consultant this year. It will be his job to watch film and find some late-round gems. If he's healthy, look for them to bring Bobbie back on a one-year stopgap deal. They will also probably sign some junk like Bell for depth.

Safety: If they can get Reggie back cheap they'll take him but they aren't concerned. They have Taylor Mays and they love him. It'll be him and Crocker as starters with young guys/draft picks/UDFAs as backups.

Corner: They are counting on Hall getting back and Clements having one more season in him. Eventually they'll find an average to poor vet who will play for their "number." Then they'll use one of their first three picks on the position.

Running Back: If they can get a vet like Bush cheap, great, but they've made it clear they want to do RB-by-committee. Again, they will look to the draft for a long-term solution.

D-Line: If you look at Ourlads' top 32, you''ll find a big pileup of defensive linemen ranked in the high teens and low twenties. Again, they'll find a scrub or two in FA, but I think they are planning to take a d-lineman in the first round.

Linebacker: Vontaze Burfict is going to plummet on draft day. He stunk up the combine and stunk up his pro day. Some think he won't even be drafted at all. He will be, by the Bengals, someplace in the mid to late rounds.

Wide receiver: They will go with buys like Binns, Hawkins and Shipley. Might add a mid-round pick and will almost certainly take one or two late for the PS. I still think Jerome will be back because Cincy is the only place he's going to get a "number."

If the FO had a track record of success I actually wouldn't think it was all that bad a plan. Unnecessarily cheap given their cap space, but doable. However, since the team is run by (as COB so perfectly put it) a triumvirate of idiots, I have no faith that they can pull it off.

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So much for Eagles not liking Mathis just received a Five Year deal worth 25 can go up to 32.

Does anyone remember the circumstances of his departure? Wasn't he part of the rotation with Livings a few years back when the bottom fell out (2008?).

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At a guess, I would say the "plan" is something like this:

O-Line: The Bengals know they need upgrades at G. However, they are not going to use a first round pick on the position under any circumstance. DeCastro and Glenn are not options at 17 or 22. Instead, they think they can upgrade those spots later in the draft, which is why they engaged McNally as a consultant this year. It will be his job to watch film and find some late-round gems. If he's healthy, look for them to bring Bobbie back on a one-year stopgap deal. They will also probably sign some junk like Bell for depth.

Safety: If they can get Reggie back cheap they'll take him but they aren't concerned. They have Taylor Mays and they love him. It'll be him and Crocker as starters with young guys/draft picks/UDFAs as backups.

Corner: They are counting on Hall getting back and Clements having one more season in him. Eventually they'll find an average to poor vet who will play for their "number." Then they'll use one of their first three picks on the position.

Running Back: If they can get a vet like Bush cheap, great, but they've made it clear they want to do RB-by-committee. Again, they will look to the draft for a long-term solution.

D-Line: If you look at Ourlads' top 32, you''ll find a big pileup of defensive linemen ranked in the high teens and low twenties. Again, they'll find a scrub or two in FA, but I think they are planning to take a d-lineman in the first round.

Linebacker: Vontaze Burfict is going to plummet on draft day. He stunk up the combine and stunk up his pro day. Some think he won't even be drafted at all. He will be, by the Bengals, someplace in the mid to late rounds.

Wide receiver: They will go with buys like Binns, Hawkins and Shipley. Might add a mid-round pick and will almost certainly take one or two late for the PS. I still think Jerome will be back because Cincy is the only place he's going to get a "number."

If the FO had a track record of success I actually wouldn't think it was all that bad a plan. Unnecessarily cheap given their cap space, but doable. However, since the team is run by (as COB so perfectly put it) a triumvirate of idiots, I have no faith that they can pull it off.

Nice lay out. Sounds plausible..

I once heard Dave Lapham mention that one of MBs flaws is that he is always looking to the future. He never seems to be willing to make an all-in move or push. He doesn't want to end up purging the roster like the Colts and Steelers have done this off-season. I get that to a point. The learning curve and chemistry is something they never seem to take into consideration. How many times will we hear about a player's inexperience or a position group still learning about each other?

I think that's what bothers me about Rucker and Fanene's situation. They had some serious depth and cohesion at that position. So much so that they traded Clinton McDonald who was a pretty good player for the Seahawks last year. Rucker mentioned how grateful he was to the team for keeping him and felt like they must really his play if they kept him around thru all of his injuries. I know he wanted to start but a respectable offer a long time ago might have kept him here instead of a low one the night before FA started.

I really don't get it. Unless they are planning on trading down with one of their two picks for a player or another 2nd or 3rd round pick..

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Safety: If they can get Reggie back cheap they'll take him but they aren't concerned. They have Taylor Mays and they love him. It'll be him and Crocker as starters with young guys/draft picks/UDFAs as backups.

Kinda frightening - I'm not sold at all on Mays based on what I've seen, and Crocker looked cooked last year (see Jones, Dhani and James, Tory). This sounds like a lot of long TD.

Corner: They are counting on Hall getting back and Clements having one more season in him. Eventually they'll find an average to poor vet who will play for their "number." Then they'll use one of their first three picks on the position.

Too much hoping for such an important position. Together with S, this DB corps sounds frightening. Hope the draft pays off...

Linebacker: Vontaze Burfict is going to plummet on draft day. He stunk up the combine and stunk up his pro day. Some think he won't even be drafted at all. He will be, by the Bengals, someplace in the mid to late rounds.

I imagine that scenario is so likely that Vegas took it off the boards. Here comes more yellow laundry...

I still think Jerome will be back because Cincy is the only place he's going to get a "number."

Also, this is where his customer base is.

I gotta say, I think your plan is quite likely, but I'm not so certain it sounds like a playoff team.

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I gotta say, I think your plan is quite likely, but I'm not so certain it sounds like a playoff team.

It could be, if everything pans out. But as it stands right now the team has taken a couple steps back, and arguably they didn't need to do that.

OTOH the schedule isn't grueling, Pitt had to cut a bunch of guys and the Ravens have been raided for talent. It will be an interesting division this year.

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Seeing that Sims is now back, Id like them to sign Lawson and also find another veteran WR.

Draft is going to be big, two r1 picks.

Cap space math entertainment will be provided by Hobson this week. It's tight, very tight.

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No longer #1 in cap space. Have spent about $20 - $25 million of their available space on 9 signings.

I don't know. According to what Hoosier posted they only burned up about $11mill in cap space

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So, the Bengals are currently $20.5 million under the cap. Cincy Jungle suggests that the $7.2 million difference boils down to when last weeks signings were submitted to the league. (Also noted was that Leon Hall and Nate Clements are the only Bengal players with a cap hit of $5+ million... which should prove how underpaid the majority of the Bengals star players are).

The interesting thing about the $20.5 million in cap space is that when you take away roughly $7-$8 million for rookie signings, the Bengals are left with $13.5 million in cap space. Remember that Mike Brown chose to carry over $15 million in cap space from last season. It was essentially's Palmer's cap space, and it was $15 million Mike Brown could have pocketed.

A couple things stand out to me. 1) Mike Brown has already spent more money on players this year than he did last season (although that was mostly Palmer's choice), and 2) Mike Brown's choice to carry the $15 million over gives him added flexibility to begin extending a few of those 26 Free Agents they'll have next season.

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So, the Bengals are currently $20.5 million under the cap. Cincy Jungle suggests that the $7.2 million difference boils down to when last weeks signings were submitted to the league. (Also noted was that Leon Hall and Nate Clements are the only Bengal players with a cap hit of $5+ million... which should prove how underpaid the majority of the Bengals star players are).

The interesting thing about the $20.5 million in cap space is that when you take away roughly $7-$8 million for rookie signings, the Bengals are left with $13.5 million in cap space. Remember that Mike Brown chose to carry over $15 million in cap space from last season. It was essentially's Palmer's cap space, and it was $15 million Mike Brown could have pocketed.

A couple things stand out to me. 1) Mike Brown has already spent more money on players this year than he did last season (although that was mostly Palmer's choice), and 2) Mike Brown's choice to carry the $15 million over gives him added flexibility to begin extending a few of those 26 Free Agents they'll have next season.

Ya Which could also mean what ever is left after they do extend people will be carried over to keep process going.Seems reasonable because with such a young team you don't wanna let alot of these guys get away.

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Thing is, according to this article, the Bengals still have $20.58 million to spend, with the 56 players they already have signed. Yes, they still have to sign the Rookies (which isn't as expensive as it used to be) but they will also have to get rid of at least 10 contracts to get down to 53 men (assuming they keep 7 or their 9 draftees).......So, add, rookies, but subtract about 10 contracts of players that are already signed......Bengals will still be waaaay under the cap. They could have done more.......

http://profootball.s.../2/1173063.html

*Note all of the teams $$$ are based on 51 signed players, yet the Bengals is based on 56.

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Okoye coming in tomorrow for a visit.

Get that done for at least a 2-4 year deal and I will be happy with the DT spot.

They really need to focus on the FA's coming up, but in looking at that list in the other thread, there are at least 10-12 players I wouldn't care one way or another about.

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Okoye coming in tomorrow for a visit.

Get that done for at least a 2-4 year deal and I will be happy with the DT spot.

They really need to focus on the FA's coming up, but in looking at that list in the other thread, there are at least 10-12 players I wouldn't care one way or another about.

Peko, Sims, Hayden, Atkins, Okoye.... looking good to me at this point.

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Everyone has to sign rookies yet we're still #1 in cap space. Does anyone doubt that we'll still be at the top of the league in cap space come Sept?

I'm not worried about September. The salary cap applies during the whole season. Leon Hall and Whitworth didn't sign extensions until September.

As long as the money gets used, who cares what month it is? I'm looking for several extensions to take place this year and I'm holding my outrage, because there is still plenty of time for the cap space to be used.

If the cap space doesn't get used by the end of the season, and Mike Brown pockets the cash... then there will be plenty of reason to be angry. Right now, fans are just angry because money didn't get spent the way they wanted it to as armchair GMs. But I think that's a silly reaction to have given the number of extensions that need to be taken care of asap.

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