Carson Palmer Thread

[volcom69]

Why is it a Vince Young, who has maturity issues and hasn't done much of anything, just needs a change of scenery, but Carson is done ??

I think it's the frustration of the fans that won't consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, he really is simply irritated with the organization and is taking issue with all of the things we, as fans, do. I would really just love to hear it from Carson. Throw it all out there for the world to see. Spell it out and go from there.

I will also agree with the thought of IF Carson does come back and half asses it like TJ did, I will openly and as loudly as possible scream, F*CK YOU CARSON. Just like I did with Chad and TJ. I still think Carson is back in stripes.

Oh, for what it's worth, my money would IMMEDIATELY be on the 49er's to win their division if Carson goes there.

Or maybe Carson is that bad. So he was throwing pick 6 on purpose, he was throwing into triple coverage on purpose, i think Carson has had enough here, but i also think Carson is not that great of a player anymore. Carson was givin guys who he asked for, but yet could not get it done. He asked for Bryant,he asked for Coles he asked for TO, its not like Mike Brown didnt try to give him players, because he did he gave him the players that he asked for. I think sometimes Carson is in over his head, i dont think he knows how to read defenses anymore, in 2005 he was going up to the line on every play to change it because of how the defense was, i dont see that anymore. Something is not right with Carson maybe its physicaly or maybe its mentaly, but something is not the same with him.

The other day on Sirus Pat Kirwin was saying how coahces were looking at Carson and saying that his footwork was way off, how his throwing did not have the same zip as it once did. He was saying that Carson should have had surgury on the elbow. So for what its worth, it seems that some coaches are seeing the same thing many of us here are saying.

[ArmyBengal]

Ok, if Carson is in fact doing that poorly, why aren't our coaches seeing the same thing and making those changes ??

If Carson truly wants out, wouldn't him making himself more well rounded be the best approach ??

I recall Carson asking for players, but the next question I have is, did anyone expect those players to come in and have the things that happened, happen ?? Was it Carson's fault Bryant was given a clean bill of health when he obviously was broken ?? Was it Carson's fault Coles came in and played like he was 52 years old ?? Was it Carson's fault that his #1 and #2 WR's this past season would do their own thing while running routes and half ass it when things started going south ??

I am MORE than willing to acknowledge Carson had issues this season with what appeared to be mechanics and his pick 6's, but I'm simply not willing to place the whole thing on his shoulders. How else would you go about explaining how he played once Chad and T.O. were no longer in the lineup ??

Other QB's throughout the history of the league have gone through bad seasons, but have gotten coached up and come back to have very good seasons.

If Carson comes back and devotes himself to the task at hand, I think the team bounces back.

I'm just not of the mindset that he is going to do that.

Then again, no one has heard from him.

Oh yeah, I don't care what any analyst has to say about what "medical" procedures players should have done.

[volcom69]

Ok, if Carson is in fact doing that poorly, why aren't our coaches seeing the same thing and making those changes ??

If Carson truly wants out, wouldn't him making himself more well rounded be the best approach ??

I recall Carson asking for players, but the next question I have is, did anyone expect those players to come in and have the things that happened, happen ?? Was it Carson's fault Bryant was given a clean bill of health when he obviously was broken ?? Was it Carson's fault Coles came in and played like he was 52 years old ?? Was it Carson's fault that his #1 and #2 WR's this past season would do their own thing while running routes and half ass it when things started going south ??

I am MORE than willing to acknowledge Carson had issues this season with what appeared to be mechanics and his pick 6's, but I'm simply not willing to place the whole thing on his shoulders. How else would you go about explaining how he played once Chad and T.O. were no longer in the lineup ??

Other QB's throughout the history of the league have gone through bad seasons, but have gotten coached up and come back to have very good seasons.

If Carson comes back and devotes himself to the task at hand, I think the team bounces back.

I'm just not of the mindset that he is going to do that.

Then again, no one has heard from him.

Oh yeah, I don't care what any analyst has to say about what "medical" procedures players should have done.

Trust me im not putting all the blame on Carson at all. I do feel he was part of the problem, but there was alot more to it. They changed the offense philosphy again, by passing the ball so much, they didnt continue to do what made them succesful. My whole thing with Carson is there is something wrong, something is not right and like i said i dont know what it is mentaly or phyicaly. Maybe his Wife is pounding it into his head, that there needs to be change, i dont know, but Carson was just not himself this year.

[ArmyBengal]

I agree with the Carson criticism revolving around his mechanics and that he wasn't himself.

I also FIRMLY believe that being away from family is a real challenge.

I left for Afghanistan when my son was 2 weeks old. I came back and he was 15 months.

I missed all the important firsts in his life and it has taken some time to get back to normal.

That being said, I wasn't making 100 million dollars in the process.

What ?? Did they think NFL teams only existed on the west coast ??

If all is true, his wife needs to get over sh*t and Carson needs to take his balls back.

[Sea Ray]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for. It's put up or shut up. Well he didn't put up. He deserves some heat. That doesn't mean that I rule out him finding it again with new coaching or whatever but he hasn't been good for years. He was downright horrible in the playoff game vs the Jets.

I'm not sure how much football will be played next year and trades can't happen now anyway but I think the Bengals ought to fasttrack their "life after Carson" plan. Trade him while he has some value. If not before the 2011 season, then before 2012

[kingwilly]

I guess one question that should be mulled is "can this team make the necessary changes to prevent the next QB they have from facing the same ridiculous challenges that Carson faced, IE, have they learned anything from their mistakes?"

First, they must confront the fact that mistakes were made, so that is a big issue right there. Then they need to identify what mistakes were made, another difficult...

Ah, never mind. it's hopeless. With Carson, without Carson, drafted QB, Vet FA QB, not really gonna matter. SoP still sits at the apex perch of PBS, so nothing's gonna change.

[ArmyBengal]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for. It's put up or shut up. Well he didn't put up.

Neither did his weapons, who decided to do their own thing and then quit.

Chad was a non factor all season and T.O. became T.O. after losing to the Bills.

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation.

I agree with them exploring what they can get for him though. I hate that they appear to not be concerned.

[Sea Ray]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for. It's put up or shut up. Well he didn't put up.

Neither did his weapons, who decided to do their own thing and then quit.

Chad was a non factor all season and T.O. became T.O. after losing to the Bills.

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation.

I agree with them exploring what they can get for him though. I hate that they appear to not be concerned.

I agree with all that, Army. Let's not forget that he also got a talented TE and an excellent slot guy in Shipley. All we had to show for all that was a third win in week 15. A lot of those games were winnable with better QB play

[TJJackson]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for

He asked for one player, and that player then only played when he felt like it, making Carson look awful for having asked for him. Agreed that Carson never should have asked for Terrible Owens to be signed, but that doesn't mean he is responsible for Terrible's effort, or more to the point, lack thereof.

+1 to the following, and just cuz I haven't said it in a while, F*ck you Chad!

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation

[Sea Ray]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for

He asked for one player, and that player then only played when he felt like it, making Carson look awful for having asked for him. Agreed that Carson never should have asked for Terrible Owens to be signed, but that doesn't mean he is responsible for Terrible's effort, or more to the point, lack thereof.

+1 to the following, and just cuz I haven't said it in a while, F*ck you Chad!

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation

Yeah, he asked for TO when Bryant came up lame but after the 2009 playoff loss the concensus was he had no weapons other than Chad.

TO wasn't a disaster. He produced although the circus that came with him was a steep price to pay for that production. Chad on the other hand...

[jjakq27]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for

He asked for one player, and that player then only played when he felt like it, making Carson look awful for having asked for him. Agreed that Carson never should have asked for Terrible Owens to be signed, but that doesn't mean he is responsible for Terrible's effort, or more to the point, lack thereof.

+1 to the following, and just cuz I haven't said it in a while, F*ck you Chad!

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation

Here's my take. Carson worked out with the guy during the summer and was impressed, so the chemistry was there during the early part of the season. After awhile teams shifted their coverages towards TO and Carson kept trying to force it in there while not having much faith in Chad. I also think TO slowed down during the year. Running 30 to 40 wind sprints each game is bound to get tougher for a 37 year old no matter what kind of shape he's in. I also think Chad was overwhelmed by TO's personality in the locker room and seemed to check out at times since he was longer the center of attention.

I still believe the injuries have taken their toll on his body and that elbow probably needed surgery but I could see him not wanting to go through the rehab again after dealing with his knee a few years earlier. I think he's worn down mentally and physically and lacks the spirit to continue here.

[COB]

I think he's worn down mentally and physically and lacks the spirit to continue here.

Agreed. Not only the team, but suppose his wife basically said I'm going back to California, and I'm never coming back to Cincinnati. That would wear a guy down.

Not to stereotype, actually I guess I am stereotyping, but her maiden name was Fernandes. Some latin women are pretty damn headstrong. Carson is not headstrong.

[TJJackson]

TO wasn't a disaster.

I guess you missed some of the purposeful alligators arms, and the lack of effort interceptions

He was an unmitigated disaster

When he left the field, and the youngsters took over, all was well again

[ArmyBengal]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for. It's put up or shut up. Well he didn't put up.

Neither did his weapons, who decided to do their own thing and then quit.

Chad was a non factor all season and T.O. became T.O. after losing to the Bills.

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation.

I agree with them exploring what they can get for him though. I hate that they appear to not be concerned.

Let's not forget that he also got a talented TE and an excellent slot guy in Shipley.

Both of whom tied for the lead for receptions by rookies in the conference at 52 receptions a piece.

No problem throwing to them...

[volcom69]

Remember when the season began the talk was OK, now he has the weapons he asked for. It's put up or shut up. Well he didn't put up.

Neither did his weapons, who decided to do their own thing and then quit.

Chad was a non factor all season and T.O. became T.O. after losing to the Bills.

Amazing how Carson was able to "put up" when the weapons he asked for were no longer a part of the equation.

I agree with them exploring what they can get for him though. I hate that they appear to not be concerned.

Let's not forget that he also got a talented TE and an excellent slot guy in Shipley.

Both of whom tied for the lead for receptions by rookies in the conference at 52 receptions a piece.

No problem throwing to them...

Thats why i cant believe he dosnt want to come back, under a new offense one that is QB friendy, with throwing to new recievers, young recievers who want to be here and bust there butts all the time. Why wouldnt he want to come back and try it under this new design. Unless Mike told him that Chad is not going anywhere???? Or im guessing his wife said nomore,and hes out the door, and im guessing he dosnt want that divorce???

[bwillycuse]

I cant think of another NFL player that has made demands like this because their wife wants him to.

Its a shame.

[cincy9275]

the more info that comes out the more carson looks like a passive little bitch. if that is the case, then really f**k him. carson and his wife need to look at the big picture here. 10 years from now when his playing time is all over. carson and wife will be sitting in their multi million dollar home, kids with the best education possible, family financially set for life. the ablity to do basically what ever you want when you want to. is it really that bad carson and yoko oops i mean shaelyn? the fact is they were married in 2003 so the knew what the f**k was going on here when he signed the deal of a life time.

more i think about it the more i think f**k him let him retire little bitch, the only problem is mikey, will mikey have enough brains to move on and find a new qb? or will mikey's insaine ass go in to the season with this bulls**t? ahhh this team makes my head hurt!

[TJJackson]

I cant think of another NFL player that has made demands like this because their wife wants him to.

Its a shame.

A man who doesn't listen to his wife is a fool

That said, the influence of his wife on the process is not a known fact, just a rumor

[derekshank]

the more info that comes out the more carson looks like a passive little bitch. if that is the case, then really f**k him. carson and his wife need to look at the big picture here. 10 years from now when his playing time is all over. carson and wife will be sitting in their multi million dollar home, kids with the best education possible, family financially set for life. the ablity to do basically what ever you want when you want to. is it really that bad carson and yoko oops i mean shaelyn? the fact is they were married in 2003 so the knew what the f**k was going on here when he signed the deal of a life time.

more i think about it the more i think f**k him let him retire little bitch, the only problem is mikey, will mikey have enough brains to move on and find a new qb? or will mikey's insaine ass go in to the season with this bulls**t? ahhh this team makes my head hurt!

You're an idiot. Just because he's going to be financially comfortable for the rest of his life doesn't mean that he should be ok with living in Cincinnati while his wife and kids live in California.

If you think that is what makes him a bitch... fine. For my part, if he retires for that reason, I say good for him. He is one of the few people out there that is willing to prioritize his family over his career. That makes him a bigger man than most.

All that said, everything we're hearing right now are rumors. But the one thing we know is true for sure is that Carson's wife and kids were not with him in Cincy toward the end of the season. If it were me, that would be a huge factor.

[derekshank]

I cant think of another NFL player that has made demands like this because their wife wants him to.

Its a shame.

That may or may not be the case. There are almost never stories like this that are officially reported... because how could you know unless the guy's wife went on record. But recently I remember hearing that the reason Cliff Lee took less money to sign with the Phillies instead of the Yankees was because of his wife. And again... that was more rumor than anything being reported.

Certainly nothing official has come out about that or about Carson's situation. It's merely a rumor based on the fact that their yard got trashed and she left for Cali with the kids before the season was over.

Sure, it's possible she's giving him some sort of ultimatum. I think it's more probable that she misses her family and is done with Cincy. If she has let Carson know that she's staying in Cali from now on, I'm sure Carson knows that being a Bengal means only seeing his family in the offseason, and that's no good. And who can blame him? You know... besides people who think loving your family makes you a bitch?

[agreen_112]

I cant think of another NFL player that has made demands like this because their wife wants him to.

Its a shame.

Not a shame at all. I bet you have a loving relationship with your significant other?? Palmer is just another Corey Dillon, Spikes, Pickens, Ocho, etc. etc. etc. We will continue to lose our players for as long as Mike Brown owns this club.

[agreen_112]

the more info that comes out the more carson looks like a passive little bitch. if that is the case, then really f**k him. carson and his wife need to look at the big picture here. 10 years from now when his playing time is all over. carson and wife will be sitting in their multi million dollar home, kids with the best education possible, family financially set for life. the ablity to do basically what ever you want when you want to. is it really that bad carson and yoko oops i mean shaelyn? the fact is they were married in 2003 so the knew what the f**k was going on here when he signed the deal of a life time.

more i think about it the more i think f**k him let him retire little bitch, the only problem is mikey, will mikey have enough brains to move on and find a new qb? or will mikey's insaine ass go in to the season with this bulls**t? ahhh this team makes my head hurt!

You're an idiot. Just because he's going to be financially comfortable for the rest of his life doesn't mean that he should be ok with living in Cincinnati while his wife and kids live in California.

If you think that is what makes him a bitch... fine. For my part, if he retires for that reason, I say good for him. He is one of the few people out there that is willing to prioritize his family over his career. That makes him a bigger man than most.

All that said, everything we're hearing right now are rumors. But the one thing we know is true for sure is that Carson's wife and kids were not with him in Cincy toward the end of the season. If it were me, that would be a huge factor.

Agreed... I wouldn't want to be here either. It's a shame that we can't keep quality players around here. All cast-offs and high draft picks that end up either busts or we run them off... Bungles 4 LIFE.

[HoosierCat]

the more info that comes out the more carson looks like a passive little bitch.

I would caution that most of what has "come out" so far falls in the category of either conjecture by fans and the media; or from "leaks" by alleged "insiders," most prominently two or three people who have suddenly popped up at the new Who Dey Jungle board claiming to be Bengals employees or friends/relatives of Bengals employees.

All the conjecture about Shaylen driving the issue is just that -- conjecture, based on the fact she moved back to the West Coast with the kids last year and Carson's now selling his home. But even if Palmer was planning on staying, I doubt he would keep a big expensive house in Indiana Hill. Is it possible that Carson is just a big wimp with a demanding shrew for a wife? Sure. It's also just as possible that he has a perfectly normal relationship with her, and that she would have stayed in Cincy, but Carson is in fact dead set against playing for the Bengals. The only ones who know are the Palmers themselves, and they ain't talking.

As for the new crop of WDJ "insiders," I'm deeply suspicious. Funny how after years of the front office being notorious for its secretive, close-mouthed ways, suddenly we get all these guys on the inside speaking out. Are they for real? Front office plants? Carson campers? Just a few guys playing a huge mindf**k on Cincy fans for sh*ts & giggles? I have no idea. I read their stuff, but I wouldn't take any of it as fact.

[TJJackson]

I bet you have a loving relationship with your significant other?

Keep in mind as you read this that Agreen/Gizzle has promoted violence against women several times in these forums

[COB]

besides people who think loving your family makes you a bitch?

No one said that. Carson is the head of that household. It doesn't mean he doesn't love his family if he tells his wife, look, this is where my career is, this is where we're living until further notice. That's loving your family. Letting your wife run all over you, take your kids across the country and try to dictate your career choices to you, that makes you a bitch.