Ex Post Facto: Bengals vs Patriots

[Kazkal]

I Guess you could fault him on not making it on to the field but Personally I put that blame on the coaches because clearly they can make the wrong call about putting players on to the field as you mentioned See Daniel Coats

Just read on Bengals.com, that the defense is going to simplify there playbook. I think this is a good thing, let these young players play loose, and fly around to the ball. They were just playing to tenative, and too stiff to be any good. So i hope this works, but i like what i heard.

What Young players are Starting that we need simply for?Rey He was only one who really seemed to be flying around anyways...It's not like they were using Geno,dunlap and hardly MJ...They Need to Sit Dhani the guy simply doesn't have football speed anymore in a Pinch I'd welcome him to play but I'd much Rather let Rey take over middle so It would let them get MJ & Brandon Johnson on the field more (Bjohnson was our best linebacker last year)

[HoosierCat]

The second half score is irrelevant, simply window dressing for a building on fire.

Yes and no. Yes in that the points came against a secondary that had switched gears to a prevent D. No in that the offense did actually score those points. Even against a prevent last year's offense would more than likely have imploded due to drops and penalties on one or more of those scoring drives.

[COB]

Just read on Bengals.com, that the defense is going to simplify there playbook.

We didn't get beat because we got outschemed. The stronger, more physical team won by physically dominating the weaker team.

If there is truth in what you say, that simplifying the playbook will let our players play harder and faster, good. I'll believe it when I see it.

I think I have post-traumatic stress disorder from watching Tom Brady stand around going through like a 6 read progression without a striped uni anywhere near him. Do something, anything.

[ArmyBengal]

I don't think we were a couple plays away from a win either, but I would say that two big plays for the Pats aren't something a team plans on going into a game and minus those miscues, the Bengals, for how poorly they played, are right in the game. It's really a shame and yet a little reassuring. They just need to execute sooner AND later, not just later.

As far as comparing this to last seasons loss, you guys are absolutely right, it's not the same.

This season they actually scored some serious points in the opener.

Don't make it sound like they were dominant in last seasons opener.

[volcom69]

The reason i say simplifying the playbook might be a good idea is because Zimmer and the players say they stood there scratching there heads because they didnt know what to do. That dosnt sound to good to me. Now maybe if they make it simple, then maybe they wont have to think so much, and just react to the play. Let them fly around and tackle. I dont know i just hope it works.

As far as the pass rush, from what i saw with these players good luck. They didnt look like they had anything in the tank from the start. Zim said he has been working on getting more pass rush this offseason, but so far it hasnt worked.

[ArmyBengal]

Oh yeah, someone tell Rivers to get his money back for the MMA training that we were told was going to produce some "anger" from him.

I just wish this LB corps would show some f*cking intensity. YOU ARE LINEBACKERS FOR F*CKS SAKE !!! Go hit someone.

[jjvolt]

Oh yeah, someone tell Rivers to get his money back for the MMA training that we were told was going to produce some "anger" from him.

I just wish this LB corps would show some f*cking intensity. YOU ARE LINEBACKERS FOR F*CKS SAKE !!! Go hit someone.

the biggest lack of intensity that I see comes from carson palmer. he doesn't play hard. he refuses to move around, side-step, or step up to create even just a half of a second more time for himself. if the pocket isn't perfect for him he panics and just chucks the ball into trouble. he is capable of these things he just won't do it. I gather that carson treats his job like a job. he doesn't have the fire and passion of a lot of other nfl QBs. brees has twice the passion on the field that palmer has.

[jjakq27]

How much affect did the purge of the special teams guys hurt things? Hebert and Hoge were missed. First kick return for a TD in over 5 years.

Also the whole lack of fullback thing just baffles me. Unless we are running the spread 80% of the time I really don't see how we can justify not having a true fullback. Hopefully they will pick up this Owen Daniels or Owen Wilson or whatever his name is. We need someone that is not a convert or stop-gap.

[Whur CHad At?]

Oh yeah, someone tell Rivers to get his money back for the MMA training that we were told was going to produce some "anger" from him.

I just wish this LB corps would show some f*cking intensity. YOU ARE LINEBACKERS FOR F*CKS SAKE !!! Go hit someone.

the biggest lack of intensity that I see comes from carson palmer. he doesn't play hard. he refuses to move around, side-step, or step up to create even just a half of a second more time for himself. if the pocket isn't perfect for him he panics and just chucks the ball into trouble. he is capable of these things he just won't do it. I gather that carson treats his job like a job. he doesn't have the fire and passion of a lot of other nfl QBs. brees has twice the passion on the field that palmer has.

Wow, you are both 100% right.

We knew with Keith Rivers that we were either getting a Junior Seau or a Chris Claiborne. He was WAY overdrafted and the only signifcant thing he has done is get his jaw busted by Wines Ward. He is nothing more than average and if he doesn't step it up a the end of the year, it's time to look for a new LB.

Carson is an average QB with fading skills. Some of you will point to his numbers and say that he still has it, but for that i call you an apologist. He looks like he is to scared to throw the ball deep and throw anything other than an out route. When I saw him throw the ball to Dan Coates yesterday I almost punched my TV. Carson begged for TO. He begged for more weapons. He got him, now he needs to drop his balls and effing use them!@

[Kazkal]

Jets had a awesome Stratergy <yes I know I spelt it wrong it was on purpose> ...let's try run the ball on one of the best run defenses in football and not even think about throwing for more then 10 yards genius!

PS,My Bad They did get crotch for 13 yards....

[Kazkal]

Sanchize completed a 1st down and then he....Jizzed in his pants

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY&ob=av3n

[Kazkal]

wrong thread!

[Pidge]

Damn, we got gaped in the 1st half. Never expected that. Still, winning 24-7 in the 2nd half takes the sting out of it somewhat. 15 games to go.

Well maybe except the fact that the 2nd half score was 21-14.

Again I gotta ask, what game were you watching?

What do you mean again? You never asked me a first time. I didn't watch the game. I came back and watched some highlights. Pardon me for getting a minor detail wrong, your majesty.

If you're being pissy with me out of the blue because you're panties are in such a big bunch about the game, then stick your dick in your ear and go f**k some sense into yourself.

Other than that, no idea why you'd be a snide **** like that. Have a word with yourself.

[Stripes]

I hope the Bengals don't try to make too many adjustments to the defense because of just one game. The Patriots will do that to a lot of teams this year.

Granted, maybe that's their best plan for getting some pressure on the quarterback. Do it.

[AGrizzlyBaer]

I hope the Bengals don't try to make too many adjustments to the defense because of just one game. The Patriots will do that to a lot of teams this year.

Hope they can do it against the other afc north teams this year.

[Sea Ray]

Damn, we got gaped in the 1st half. Never expected that. Still, winning 24-7 in the 2nd half takes the sting out of it somewhat. 15 games to go.

Well maybe except the fact that the 2nd half score was 21-14.

Again I gotta ask, what game were you watching?

What do you mean again? You never asked me a first time. I didn't watch the game. I came back and watched some highlights. Pardon me for getting a minor detail wrong, your majesty.

If you're being pissy with me out of the blue because you're panties are in such a big bunch about the game, then stick your dick in your ear and go f**k some sense into yourself.

Other than that, no idea why you'd be a snide **** like that. Have a word with yourself.

Just say you don't know where you got the numbers 24-7 and spare us all the PMS meltdown...

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

the biggest lack of intensity that I see comes from carson palmer. he doesn't play hard. he refuses to move around, side-step, or step up to create even just a half of a second more time for himself.

There's the problem of him having no space, and not having confidence that the side-step you mention won't take him directly into a DT. The man has a swiss cheese O-Line that apparently cannot pass protect to save their lives.

[Whur CHad At?]

the biggest lack of intensity that I see comes from carson palmer. he doesn't play hard. he refuses to move around, side-step, or step up to create even just a half of a second more time for himself.

There's the problem of him having no space, and not having confidence that the side-step you mention won't take him directly into a DT. The man has a swiss cheese O-Line that apparently cannot pass protect to save their lives.

Yeah, I never understood the love for Whitworth. Out of all the O-lineman last week he played the worst. The man is average.

[Pidge]

Just say you don't know where you got the numbers 24-7 and spare us all the PMS meltdown...

Why does such a little thing get you all worked up? I do know where I got the numbers. The highlights I saw indicated it was 31-0 at the half. It really isn't that big of an issue. The first half was ugly whatever. Take it up with Sky TV if you feel that strongly about it. I don't know if you're an a**h*** all the time or just when your football team stinks up the joint but either way, you're an a**h***.

[Sea Ray]

Why does such a little thing get you all worked up? I do know where I got the numbers. The highlights I saw indicated it was 31-0 at the half. It really isn't that big of an issue. The first half was ugly whatever. Take it up with Sky TV if you feel that strongly about it. I don't know if you're an a**h*** all the time or just when your football team stinks up the joint but either way, you're an a**h***.

I'm not worked up. You don't see any *** in my posts.

I'm ready to beat the Ravens this week.

Watching the entire game will tell you a lot more than highlights any day

[HairOnFire]

I don't think they were that much better either, but even a close separation between two good teams can sometimes result in an asswhooping like this one.

I'm not going to overreact by proclaiming doom, but I'd say the Bengals were outcoached in every phase of the game against the Pats. Obviously, defensively they were inept from start to finish, but offensively they opened with the mandatory "lets get Owens involved" drive, followed in close succession by the mandatory "lets get Ocho involved" drive, followed by the mandatory "let's not forget about Benson" drive. None of it worked, and there's the rub because that type of scripted playcalling isn't likely to work against any team.

I don't think it was under-preparedness or overconfidence, it was an actual football dynamic in which a serious Bengals weakness was exploited for gobs of points.

There's simply too much evidence of the Bengals being unprepared to support that. In fact, I'd say the Patriots were prepared for everything the Bengals attempted, offensively and defensively, until the game was out of reach. And if anyone needs proof of New England's level of confidence just review how often Patriot kick returners chose to return kicks from 5 and 7 yards deep in the endzone.

Frankly, the only positive a Bengal fan can take away from a game that had the Patriots physically winning more than 90% of the plays until the outcome was no longer in doubt is simply this. The Bengals were soundly outcoached in all three phases of the game....and that shouldn't occur very often.

[HairOnFire]

This is why whenever the Bengals lose, all members should take 3 hours away from the board.

Note: I needed more than 30.

[HairOnFire]

The second half score is irrelevant, simply window dressing for a building on fire.

Yes and no. Yes in that the points came against a secondary that had switched gears to a prevent D. No in that the offense did actually score those points. Even against a prevent last year's offense would more than likely have imploded due to drops and penalties on one or more of those scoring drives.

Put me in the camp that thinks the 2nd half offensive improvement was completely irrelevant. Granted, the Bengals passing game eventually showed what it was capable of, but we already knew what it was capable of simply by looking at the pieces that have been assembled. All that counts is when it mattered the most the Bengals offense couldn't produce more than 3 points and a handful of 1st downs....and failed utterly in multiple 3rd and short situations.

Frankly, the 2nd half offensive improvement wasn't just window dressing...it's statistical camouflage that is likely to appease only a few fantasy geeks and hardline BSOPB's.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Note: I needed more than 30.

I was worried you didn't make it.

[HairOnFire]

Note: I needed more than 30.

I was worried you didn't make it.

Me too. Frankly, win or lose I almost never post on Sundays so the 3 hour no-posting rule doesn't apply to me. However, I admit rather than post endlessly on Monday, as is my habit, I spent yesterday doing numerous things that had been on my "Honey Do List" for months, if not years.

FWIW, the wife seems happy with my choice.