3rd Round #1: Jordan Shipley

[Kazkal]

You didn't want a WR drafted at all which would mean our corps would look like Byrant,Ocho,Caldwell,Simpson,Jones & Quan....

Yeah, those guys AND two new TE's, including one drafted 21st overall.

My money is on he ends up being more productive then 4 of those guys "shrug"

Well, that's the thing about endlessly churning and burning. The new 3rd round pick who hasn't played a lick is always considered instantly better than the 2nd and 3rd round picks you just gave up on.

That said, what's the over/under on how many new WR's will need to be drafted NEXT year? Can I assume it remains steady at three?

Well 2 WR & 1 TE seem be magic number so ya 3 sounds good.

[HairOnFire]

Well 2 WR & 1 TE seem be magic number so ya 3 sounds good.

Your show of restraint is impressive.

I hear Hoosier wants four more.

[derekshank]

So two years from now none of us are going to be wading through articles and posts about how Shipley can't get seperation from defenders?

It's a fair point, but only if they use Shipley incorrectly. He's not the player you use to stretch the field. But, he is said to have the best hands in the draft, and is an incredibly crisp route runner. I'm not concerned about his inability to get separation any more than I was concerned about that with Housh.

If there is a complaint to made about Shipley, it's that neither he, nor Gresham help with making safeties respect the deep ball. On the other hand, both of them do force teams to respect the middle of the field, instead of the endless out routes. And on an optimistic day, I wonder if that might not help Chad and Bryant go deep. Perhaps I hope against hope.

That said, what's the over/under on how many new WR's will need to be drafted NEXT year? Can I assume it remains steady at three?

It's another fair point... and the main reason I hated the Briscoe pick so much. For all the attention the Bengals paid to pass catchers in the draft (and free agency for that matter), none of them addressed a true deep threat.

When you don't have at least one player than can run down the sideline with the type of speed that demands safety help, you end up with a log jam of receivers and DBs running 10-20 yards deep, and no one open. So yes... the Bengals will still feel the need to address WR next year... and if it's not because Chad is gone, it's because he's not the deep threat he once was.

[HairOnFire]

So yes... the Bengals will still feel the need to address WR next year...

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

So why not devote a few picks to positions where things would change? Why continue the habit of using a pick or three in every draft on wideouts who are destined for part-time duty at best? And why do so many people applaud this teams habit of using at least one draft pick every year on a WR everyone knows is doomed to the practice squad?

[derekshank]

So yes... the Bengals will still feel the need to address WR next year...

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

So why not devote a few picks to positions where things would change? Why continue the habit of using a pick or three in every draft on wideouts who are destined for part-time duty at best? And why do so many people applaud this teams habit of using at least one draft pick every year on a WR everyone knows is doomed to the practice squad?

You're preaching to choir on this one. Scan through the Briscoe thread and find how I made these exact same arguments about how the Bengals continually using multiple draft picks on a position hoping to strike gold, and keep coming out fools.

I quoted it then, and I'll quote it again here, because it fits so perfectly. George Carlin said "I've never f**ked a 10, but I've f**ked five 2s."

The Bengals keep f**king 2s, hoping to stumble into a 10... and sooner or later, they'll have to invest in a true 10, at high cost... despite all the waste left in their wake that could have been invested elsewhere.

That said, and perhaps in contradiction to the above rant... I like Shipley. I see him as an immediate upgrade as a #3, and the style of player that does indeed fill a need.

[HairOnFire]

You're preaching to choir on this one.

Perhaps, but prior to the draft I wrote the song you're singing now.

Scan through the Briscoe thread and find how I made these exact same arguments about how the Bengals continually using multiple draft picks on a position hoping to strike gold, and keep coming out fools.

It's actually worse than that because, by using late round picks in every draft to take flyers on WR's, the Bengals lose opportunities to draft players at other positions where late picks actually contribute, and sometimes start. As for Briscoe, we'll likely see him in August preseason games, and then never again.

[membengal]

It's the curse of Housh. One 7th round receiver paid off, and they can't help themselves now from trying to repeat that stroke of luck.

[HoosierCat]

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

Yes, because they keep missing, a point you consistently ignore.

[HairOnFire]

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

Yes, because they keep missing, a point you consistently ignore.

Not only am I not ignoring it, it's the very core of my ranting. Because your cherished draft strategy not only hasn't worked, it's been an epic failure. Worse, the only thing you and the Bengals can think to do to address the failure is to repeat all of the past mistakes over and over again, presumably until the planets align properly.

So who amongst us is really guilty of consistently and deliberately ignoring the Bengals now lengthy history of reaching and missing on every WR and TE pick? Is it the guy who wishes they'd stop making the same mistakes or the guy demanding they be repeated?

[Kazkal]

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

Yes, because they keep missing, a point you consistently ignore.

Not only am I not ignoring it, it's the very core of my ranting. Because your cherished draft strategy not only hasn't worked, it's been an epic failure. Worse, the only thing you and the Bengals can think to do to address the failure is to repeat all of the past mistakes over and over again, presumably until the planets align properly.

So who amongst us is really guilty of consistently and deliberately ignoring the Bengals now lengthy history of reaching and missing on every WR and TE pick? Is it the guy who wishes they'd stop making the same mistakes or the guy demanding they be repeated?

So how would they improve the position for the future if they ignore the position in the draft and the ones currently on the roster are trash?Well I guess easy answer to that you add them Via Free agenecy like the Patriots have been doing because they've had problems themselves developing WR's but that still doesn't stop them from drafting the position.

[HoosierCat]

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

Yes, because they keep missing, a point you consistently ignore.

Not only am I not ignoring it, it's the very core of my ranting. Because your cherished draft strategy not only hasn't worked, it's been an epic failure. Worse, the only thing you and the Bengals can think to do to address the failure is to repeat all of the past mistakes over and over again, presumably until the planets align properly.

So who amongst us is really guilty of consistently and deliberately ignoring the Bengals now lengthy history of reaching and missing on every WR and TE pick? Is it the guy who wishes they'd stop making the same mistakes or the guy demanding they be repeated?

So how would they improve the position for the future if they ignore the position in the draft and the ones currently on the roster are trash?

Thank you.

"Quitting" isn't a strategy.

Well I guess easy answer to that you add them Via Free agenecy

The problem there is, using Hair's logic, we can't do that either, since that constitutes consistently and deliberately ignoring the Bengals now lengthy history of missing on every FA WR signing.

[HairOnFire]

"Quitting" isn't a strategy.

And endless churning isn't an accepted way to develope the talent you've already scouted, found worthy, and drafted.

The problem there is, using Hair's logic, we can't do that [Free Agency]either......

Oh, but you've done that too, haven't you? As I recall you were the one who claimed Antonio Bryant couldn't be considered at all simply because he hasn't played for the Bengals yet. Then one beat later you started pimping the likes of the wholly unproven Demaryius Thomas as the 1st round answer to the passing game question, and you did all of this despite having earlier expressed your fears that there were no WR's worthy of a 1st round pick save for Dez Bryant, who oddly enough you later advocated passing on.

So save the lecture on logic, unless you're going to expound on how circular it can become when shaped by the hands of a Bastard Son.

[kingwilly]

So again, despite multiple draft picks being burned on pass catchers year after year after year after year...nothing changes. The need remains constant.

Yes, because they keep missing, a point you consistently ignore.

Not only am I not ignoring it, it's the very core of my ranting. Because your cherished draft strategy not only hasn't worked, it's been an epic failure. Worse, the only thing you and the Bengals can think to do to address the failure is to repeat all of the past mistakes over and over again, presumably until the planets align properly.

So who amongst us is really guilty of consistently and deliberately ignoring the Bengals now lengthy history of reaching and missing on every WR and TE pick? Is it the guy who wishes they'd stop making the same mistakes or the guy demanding they be repeated?

Hold up.

Are you now saying they DON'T know what they are doing?

Wasn't it just a few days ago you were poking at Daugherty for admitting they DO know what they are doing?

When I likened it to a blind squirrel wearing a broken watch, you poked at me?

Which one is it?

Does the Bengals strategy work or not? Dazzle us.

[HairOnFire]

Are you now saying they DON'T know what they are doing? Wasn't it just a few days ago you were poking at Daugherty for admitting they DO know what they are doing?

Yeah, they've proven they know what they're doing in an overall sense. The roster is mostly loaded, right? But you may have gathered by now that I think they have a weakness for drafting wideouts that is not only unsustainable, but is also completely unproductive.

When I likened it to a blind squirrel wearing a broken watch, you poked at me?

Of course I did. Because why would a squirrel who was smart enough to know the purpose of a watch choose to wear one that was broken? It makes no sense, right? And worse, even if the watch did work the squirrel is blind and can't see the time being displayed. So how could this miserable creature and his broken tools be capable of building a roster, mostly through the draft, that is loaded? Wouldn't that be impossible? Thus, I conclude either the squirrel isn't blind or the watch isn't broken. Or possibly both. But success in an endeavor this difficult simply can't be accidental or the result of dumb luck, and it's pretty stupid for anyone to claim otherwise.

Dazzle us.

Sure.

[skyline]

Say what you will, but I love this pick. I think Shipley is more of a sure thing than any wide receiver we've drafted in quite some time.

No, he isn't #1 material, but barring injury I'd be willing to bet that he'll be a very productive WR for us for some time to come. He'll take Caldwell's spot on the roster at the very least.

[walzav29]

Just checked his stats from last year. Very impressive

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I'm liking this pick more and more.

[MARVIN=W'S]

Since the T.J. departure we have really needed a solid slot guy. I hope he is the answer. Who Dey!!

[Kazkal]

I know it's only practice with Shorts but still seems like Jordan Is getting quite abit of praise.

James Walker

Let’s start with the stars of minicamp. On offense, I thought receiver Jordan Shipley was very impressive. The third-round pick caught everything this week. He's already developing a good rapport with quarterback Carson Palmer, and Shipley has a good knack for finding the open seams of the defense. Defensively

Hobnob

» If the camp had a Best Newcomer it was probably rookie wide receiver Jordan Shipley, the third-round draft pick from Texas. He had a particularly productive day Thursday, as did the passing game in what seemed to be its most synced up performance of the week.

Quarterback Carson Palmer hit six of eight passes in the one-minute drill, three over the middle to Shipley as he flashed his slot moves against a variety of defenders. After getting behind safety Gibril Wilson, on the next snap Shipley beat 11-year middle linebacker Dhani Jones over the middle and ripped the ball away from the tight coverage. Standing up for his new man, Palmer didn’t like it when Shipley ended up hitting the deck on the play and let the defense know everyone is supposed to stay on their feet in no-contact drills.

[ArmyBengal]

The funny thing about Shipley is that many don't know if he ends up taking Cosby's spot. I'm well aware of the return guy we have in Cosby, but yesterday I read an article on ESPN about the Giants losing Hixon (WR and return guy) to a knee injury for the season. I immediately started wondering what we might be able to get in return for Cosby, who was an UDFA for the Bengals.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not all in for trading Cosby, but the thought is at least intriguing and would free up some of the logjam we seem to have at WR.

You know, trading a WR not named Chad ??

[HairOnFire]

I know it's only practice with Shorts but still seems like Jordan Is getting quite abit of praise.

It's helped. I didn't like the pick one bit, and admittedly had some trouble "moving on"....[cough]....but I'm getting there.

[derekshank]

I know it's only practice with Shorts but still seems like Jordan Is getting quite abit of praise.

It's helped. I didn't like the pick one bit, and admittedly had some trouble "moving on"....[cough]....but I'm getting there.

If only the first round pick was getting the type of praise the third round pick is getting, maybe I'd start feeling better too.

[Wraith]

I think Gresham is getting talk up ALOT, Palmer in particular has talked alot about Gresham . Its Dunlap that is getting no press.

[HairOnFire]

I know it's only practice with Shorts but still seems like Jordan Is getting quite abit of praise.

It's helped. I didn't like the pick one bit, and admittedly had some trouble "moving on"....[cough]....but I'm getting there.

If only the first round pick was getting the type of praise the third round pick is getting, maybe I'd start feeling better too.

Gresham hasn't gone begging as there's plenty of fluffy love being tossed around. It's that time of year.

That said, it's starting to feel like the Bengals are "setting the table" for Shipley.

And so we sing....

Shipheads, Shipheads, rolly polly Shipheads

Shipheads, Shipheads, eat them up, YUM!

[BengalByTheBay]

And so we sing....

Shipheads, Shipheads, rolly polly Shipheads

Shipheads, Shipheads, eat them up, YUM!

That's just demented, dude...

[BengalPimp]

And so we sing....

Shipheads, Shipheads, rolly polly Shipheads

Shipheads, Shipheads, eat them up, YUM!

uh....that must be the Kush talkin'