skyline Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 i just can't help to think that if marv finsihed this way for a perennial winner. that marvin more than likely would be unemployed.You can say that all you want, but the Bengals AREN'T a perennial winner. Marvin inherited what was quite possibly the worst franchise in professional sports, and he's gotten them to the playoffs twice. Do you really think Marvin's so bad that he would run the Colts into the ground? Or do you think that other coaches are so god-like that they would have gotten the Bengals significantly further than Marvin did? Especially considering the injuries they suffered and the tragedies they've had to endure...Things have to be taken in context. Why are people so determined to play the "what if" game rather than focus on reality.I know this is a difficult concept, but can't we at least try?You'd think that after the preseason predictions I saw around this place (.500 at BEST), that people would be happier than this with the season we've had. Is this a good time to revive the "worst fans in the NFL" discussion?I am in no ways trying to put Lewis down, I just dont see his season as the best coaching job this year. Saints, Chargers, Vikings or even Colts coaches are probably more deserving of this award this season. Either way I'm still happy to have a coach that can actually win the AFCN and take the team to the playoffs more often than Haley's comet appears.Again, it's all about context. What has each coach done with the talent that they have and the situations that the season has placed them in? Aside from some players inside the locker room, I don't think anyone would argue that the Bengals have more talent than any of those teams you mentioned.That said, I don't take issue if you think someone else deserved the award more. I only take issue if a fan's first response to Marvin winning the award is a rant about how awful we are and how Marvin should have been fired years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Thank you Skyline for trying to help put this in context. People are missing the big picture with what this team went through this season and the fact they turned the 4-11-1 lost season into a 10-6 division title with a bunch of cast offs that were obviously (FOLLOW ME HERE) coached to play at a high level within our scheme. Something obviously went right with that. Then again, we should go back and find out how many people predicted a Super Bowl champion this season. I mean then I guess the questioning/bashing would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 I predicted 7-9 and am thrilled at what they got done. I think ML did one helluva job, and wrung just about every possible win out of this team. No issues from me, and pleasantly surprised that he won the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Just winning isn't enough for the coach of the year...or else the winner is just the coach with the most regular season wins. I think you have to realize what Marvin did, and where they were coming from. How many games did the Saints improve this year? 5? 6? How about the Colts? So how on earth is that more impressive than what Marvin did especially when you factor in what happened outside the games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 i just can't help to think that if marv finsihed this way for a perennial winner. that marvin more than likely would be unemployed.You can say that all you want, but the Bengals AREN'T a perennial winner. Marvin inherited what was quite possibly the worst franchise in professional sports, and he's gotten them to the playoffs twice. Do you really think Marvin's so bad that he would run the Colts into the ground? Or do you think that other coaches are so god-like that they would have gotten the Bengals significantly further than Marvin did? Especially considering the injuries they suffered and the tragedies they've had to endure...Things have to be taken in context. Why are people so determined to play the "what if" game rather than focus on reality.I know this is a difficult concept, but can't we at least try?You'd think that after the preseason predictions I saw around this place (.500 at BEST), that people would be happier than this with the season we've had. Is this a good time to revive the "worst fans in the NFL" discussion?Good post. Looks at guys like Seifert, Mariucci, Gruden and Holmgren to name a few. When the talent ran out, so did their winning records and success. I was thinking about how far we have come as a franchise since he has been here. Just stop to think about that for a minute. It's easy to repeat the same old cliches but we've been to the playoffs twice in a five year period. Nothing spectacular but light years ahead of the 90's and early 2000's. The foundation is there now. The key is to fill in some holes and sustain their success.One more note. I heard Mike Zimmer after he re-signed here and he made the comment that "Marvin Lewis is a really good coach". This coming from a guy that worked for Parcells among others. He wouldn't have stayed if he didn't like they way things were going here. I think that is a huge endorsement.I doubt that any of us will ever quite return to the giddiness of the "In Marvin We Trust" era but he has done a fine job with this team and franchise. Congrats on a job well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Again, it's all about context. Exactly. Coach of the year decisions have to be about context. Otherwise you would just wait to see who wins the Super Bowl and give it to that coach. Which would be incorrect because lots of other factors, not just coaching, determine a Super Bowl winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemarvinNOW Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan.No doubt. Thats why its stupid to pick a coach of the year before the playoffs. No matter what happens from here on out he should win it. He is a rookie head coach with a rookie Qb and he has 2 playoff wins in his first year.Marvin has 0 in 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan.Yes, he would definitely deserve some serious consideration. That said, I can't stand the guy. Here's hoping the Colts run them into the ground next weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Here's hoping the Colts run them into the ground next weekend Not me Eric. If my team loses in the playoffs, I want it to be a team that makes it to the the Superbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Here's hoping the Colts run them into the ground next weekend Not me Eric. If my team loses in the playoffs, I want it to be a team that makes it to the the Superbowl.You sound like my dad. Must be an old man thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan.No doubt. Thats why its stupid to pick a coach of the year before the playoffs. Possibly, but when would you prefer the vote be held? After round 1 or round 2? Then, wouldn't people say it's stupid to make the pick before the Super Bowl is played? And then, of course, it would nearly always be the Super Bowl winning coach that got the award. And no. They aren't always the most deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemarvinNOW Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan.No doubt. Thats why its stupid to pick a coach of the year before the playoffs. Possibly, but when would you prefer the vote be held? After round 1 or round 2? Then, wouldn't people say it's stupid to make the pick before the Super Bowl is played? And then, of course, it would nearly always be the Super Bowl winning coach that got the award. And no. They aren't always the most deserving.You pick it after the SB. It obviously wouldnt always be the super bowl winning coach. If that was the case wouldnt they now give it to the coach with the best record in the regular seasom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan.No doubt. Thats why its stupid to pick a coach of the year before the playoffs. Possibly, but when would you prefer the vote be held? After round 1 or round 2? Then, wouldn't people say it's stupid to make the pick before the Super Bowl is played? And then, of course, it would nearly always be the Super Bowl winning coach that got the award. And no. They aren't always the most deserving.You pick it after the SB. It obviously wouldnt always be the super bowl winning coach. If that was the case wouldnt they now give it to the coach with the best record in the regular seasom?Winning the Super Bowl is slightly harder to ignore than having the best regular season record. Especially to someone like you who believes that the only thing we should consider with Marvin Lewis is the bottom line...playoff wins, right? If that's the case, then I can hardly expect you to ignore a Super Bowl ring. Oh, and reading comprehension ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 As a article pointed out shouldn't be SUprising Marvin won it,Big reason has to do with all the Tragedy the team faced and having to over come it...On top of being 4-11-1 having one of the most inept owners in the NFL & changing the face of the franchise (In to top Defensive Team though that really belogns to zimmer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Congrats to marvin! With all the injuries they've suffered this year, along with the passings of Henry, and Vickie Zimmer. He did as good a job as anyone could have. He turned around a team that went 4-11-1 and took them to the playoffs, and a Division title. To those who say he didn't deserve it? You were the same guys who thought they would go 6-10 or 5-11 before the season started....He deserved it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Here's hoping the Colts run them into the ground next weekend Not me Eric. If my team loses in the playoffs, I want it to be a team that makes it to the the Superbowl.You sound like my dad. Must be an old man thing. Pete Rose used to say that whenever the Dodgers beat the Reds for the division title. Me on the other hand prefer to inflict pain and suffering on our oppressors and their fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Is this a good time to revive the "worst fans in the NFL" discussion? Bengals fans calling for a head coach to be fired at the very moment he's be honored as Coach of the Year? Yeah, that sounds like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 At this point it should be Rex Ryan.No doubt. Thats why its stupid to pick a coach of the year before the playoffs. No matter what happens from here on out he should win it. He is a rookie head coach with a rookie Qb and he has 2 playoff wins in his first year.Marvin has 0 in 7 years.I agree. Marvin got a sympathetic vote. The fans here are just happy with their games having some meaning in December every 3 years, because all they know are the 1991-2003 era of losing, and figure it's Mediocre Marvin or nothing. Sad, depressing, but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Sad, depressing, but true.No.If you want to assess Marvin's entire career by his win-loss record alone and neglect to look at any of the other circumstances that have impacted him as the head coach -- you're the one doing yourself a disservice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymark69 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Congrats to Marvin. You know it's really irrelevant whether some on this board think he should be coach of the year. Let's just be happy about it. Let's also remember where we were last year --- four wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!! up to 10 wins and a division championship. A team doesn't go plus 6 in the win column from one season to another very often. Plus you look at all the adversity (deaths, etc.). All that stuff plays into it and the people who matter (the ones that voted) do count and they obviously thought Marvin deserved it.One more thing -- look at the majority of the teams in the playoffs, with the possible exception of the Jets, everybody who made the playoffs was supposed to. None of the national media types gave the Bengals a chance in you know where and yet they were there as a division champion. To all the naysayers this is just another example of not enjoying success. I wanted them to get to the Super Bowl as much as anyone, but I'll take 10-6 every year. That's a heck of a lot better than most years that I have watched this team and that's been over 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Congrats to marvin! With all the injuries they've suffered this year, along with the passings of Henry, and Vickie Zimmer. He did as good a job as anyone could have. He turned around a team that went 4-11-1 and took them to the playoffs, and a Division title. To those who say he didn't deserve it? You were the same guys who thought they would go 6-10 or 5-11 before the season started....He deserved it!Wrong, I foresaw a 7-9 to 9-7 range before the season started and I still dont think Marvin had the best coaching season this year. Very glad he had a good year and hope he stays around for awhile, because I think he is a very good fit for Cinci. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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