One f**king offensive TD against the Detroit Lions???

[TJJackson]

We'll see you next season...

If only we could wave goodbye to you until next season...that'd be great

Any chance you could make that happen?

Double bonus points if you take the other two members of the Braintrust Triad with you.....

[BengalByTheBay]

I don't expect the bengals to be great in every phase of the game. I expect their offense to be good enough to score TDs. And once again... I am not complaining about the lack of a vertical passing game. I don't know why you guys keep bringing that up as if that is what I am complaining about. I am complaining about their lack of ability to score. Lots of teams are able to score points without having a great passing game. We just aren't one of those teams, I guess.

See, this is the part we disagree about. I think you do want a nice, shiny, vertical passing game that makes for nice Sports Center highlights. Because what I do know is that this team is specifically being built to control the clock with a running game and defense. You can't complain that the team isn't running the ball well, because they are. No team runs 3 times and gets a first down every time, but the Bengals are pretty close to that fantasy.

Let's face it, if they converted TD's more when they got into the red zone, you'd have no rant at all. And if you think anybody on here is "pro penalty" or "pro mistake" (which is kinda what you keep bleating) you're just wrong. Those are the things that are currently killing the team's point production. Will they clean that up against better teams? I don't know. But I can point to games against the Steelers and Ravens, both of which had vaunted high-scoring offenses in the first half of the season, to look at and say "hey, maybe a strong defense can level that out."

Finally, if you're really not demanding a more vertical offense, what exactly are you demanding? "Just score points" is a really simplistic one dimensional argument. That's what everybody is taking issue with. You can't just say "score more points" and "we're gonna lose in the playoffs" unless you have a corresponding point to make there. Clearly, some teams could, and did, succeed with scoring 17 points a game. Moreover, scoring points on defense is a damn effective way to win games according to the Steelers and Ravens. So, there's no need to whine and complain about Detroit fortuitously scoring a meaningless TD at the end of the game after being largely blanked the entire time. Do you want to win or do you want to win pretty? Somebody said it before and I agree that you can't "bank" points by beating the hell out of bad teams by 100 points. If the Bengals won by 40 against the Lions that wouldn't help them beat Minnesota at all. Yeah, it would make everybody feel all good inside for a week, but it doesn't make any difference when the whistle blows on THIS Sunday.

[BengalByTheBay]

Some of us are mart enough to realize that playing well actually matters. And it will matter big time in the playoffs.

Are those the same "marts" (oh irony, I love thee) that helped you conclude that scoring more points than the other team helps you win?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

50,000 push ups say he's real.

"Chase....chase....CHASE....chaaase"

That reminds me of my favorite quotes from Hard Knocks:

"Chase, you're running like old people screw"

"Chase, you're standing straight up like a wedding dick"

Man, that's just good coaching.

[gregstephens]

Some of us are mart enough to realize that playing well actually matters. And it will matter big time in the playoffs.

Are those the same "marts" (oh irony, I love thee) that helped you conclude that scoring more points than the other team helps you win?

Yeah, I was wondering who was going to be 'mart' enough to catch JoeWrong's gaffe.

[membengal]

Sooooooooooo...QUITE an offensive display from Pittsburgh last night in the cold and wind. Completely forgotten how to run the ball, they have. Chucking it 32 times to only 19 runs in a freezer with tropical storm force winds, they did.

Is THAT the offense that certain posters want this team to emulate?

Really?

REALLY?

One that is SO inflexible in its approach that it is in shotgun on 3rd and 1 with no backs in 40 mph winds and -12 windchill?

Meh.

Double meh.

Glad the Bengals are a team that has learned how to run the ball and impose some will on its opponents.

Real glad.

[101Airborne]

Joe, you're killing me man. The problem people have with your posts isn't that what you say isn't true (usually), it's just that a lot of what you say is so simplistically useless that they can't accept that you don't mean more than you are saying. When you put together several of your arguments, such as "We don't score enough points," and "Our drives use too many plays," how can one NOT come to the conclusion that you have a problem with the vertical passing game? Do you think we need to run the ball for 20 yards per play or do you think screen passes for 30 yards are the way to go?

Taken on its own "We need to score more points," is a nonsensical statement for all the reasons people have already said. What are you going to do, pack them up and carry them to the playoffs? Your argument there would hold weight if it were regularly costing us games, but it isn't, so why exactly did we need to put up more touchdowns against teams we beat? There is not a single fan anywhere who does not want to see their team score more, so add some insight to your proclamation will ya? If you can't, then people are stuck putting your fragmented statements together to form your opinions for you, which you then promptly dismiss as not being your opinions. Even when we agree that something you say is correct, you don't actually have any sort of point to debate. Will one offensive touchdown be enough to beat the Vikes? Probably not, but what do YOU suggest they do? Should we "End the Carson Palmer Experiment" and hope little bro throws for four hundred yards and five touchdowns? Should we bring in a shaman to heal Henry's arm?

Lastly, saying things that are patently absurd won't help you either. Are you suggesting that we don't have a good enough running game to sustain drives? Really? What games have you been watching? What's killed our drive sustainment isn't the passing or running game, its the penalties. Now you could fall back on your argument about having less mistakes if we ran less plays. But having less plays means you need more yards per play, which means a vertical passing game, but wait for it, that's not your complaint... I find it ironic that on the one hand you're complaining about us not scoring often enough and suggesting that that will be the reason we are one and done in the playoffs "like 2005" when, in 2005, we scored points like crazy, and yet...

[Ickey44]

And I'm sure none of what you said will make any sense to Joe.

[HairOnFire]

In a blatant attempt to entertain myself I will now attempt to guess what Joe Pong's first response to this unfortunately bumped thread will be.

Just give me a moment to adjust my tin foil hat a little bit to the left, and yes....there it is. I'm picking up Radio Pong very nicely now. I'm ready to make my guess.

Pong will say......"The Browns just proved the Bengals play football like a 1-11 team."

[removes tin foil hat/shakes fist]

[kingwilly]

And I'm sure none of what you said will make any sense to Joe.

Let me try:

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To Pong -

Most things you say dumb. Things way simple for people. No extra brain. No need extra word to help. Things you want don't need. For some things need more. Need things for more games. Games win with what have. What have is good. Good things enough of them. Win more with what have. Done good with what have. No need for things not have.

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Ok, I think that will do it.

[derekshank]

And I'm sure none of what you said will make any sense to Joe.

Let me try:

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To Pong -

Most things you say dumb. Things way simple for people. No extra brain. No need extra word to help. Things you want don't need. For some things need more. Need things for more games. Games win with what have. What have is good. Good things enough of them. Win more with what have. Done good with what have. No need for things not have.

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Ok, I think that will do it.

[Kazkal]

Most things you say dumb. Things way simple for people. No extra brain. No need extra word to help. Things you want don't need. For some things need more. Need things for more games. Games win with what have. What have is good. Good things enough of them. Win more with what have. Done good with what have. No need for things not have.

You steal the way I speak >_<

[semiotter]

Apparently you are satisfied with a regular season win over the lowly detroit lions and being one-and-done in the playoffs like we were in 2005.

Some of us are mart enough to realize that playing well actually matters. And it will matter big time in the playoffs. Some of us have higher aspirations, like actually advancing in the playoffs and making it to a Superbowl. And we are smart enough to realize this level of lay is not going to cut it. If you want to stick your head in the sand and deny that, go ahead. Have fun celebrating the fact that we edged out a win against the lions.

We'll see you next season...

OMFG I get so F**king tired of hearing this "Trolls"" negative remarks about the "Bengal" 9-3 record and 6-0 record vrs conf foes. And it still isn't good enough for the Prongster!! When you say (quote)"We'll see you next season" I only wish this was true. YOU T R O L L. But wait this is Dec and the new year is just around the corner and then "YOU" would return with your ANTI-Bengal Banter.

But I'm sure I will hear, DR.Prong is not a Troll. So I ask? What is the def of a Troll? Is it someone that comes on the Zone and posts positive remarks about the Bengals when they are doing well or having a very good season? No!!! Its a person that comes on here and over, over again Bashes every little thing they do wrong in every game.

So if the Team does win a Playoff game, then wins in the AFC finals. And low and behold goes to the Super bowl and wins it won't mean S**t if the offense doesn't score over 17 points in and games this year. And we shall here about it you can bet the farm on that.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

But I'm sure I will hear, DR.Prong is not a Troll. So I ask? What is the def of a Troll?

Wiki sez: "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Joe Bong isn't a troll, because I don't think he's intentionally screwing with you guys. He's a goofball, and possibly a little addled. If he is a troll, he's not a very good one.

You have to be careful though, because if you start banning everyone who ever criticizes the team, you end up with crap for a message board.

I've often asked that if certain people are such a problem, why do other people keep engaging them?

[derekshank]

I've often asked that if certain people are such a problem, why do other people keep engaging them?

Yeah. That's how I feel about it too. The only problem is when one troll intentionally posts the same topic in every thread and turns the entire message board into a circus. It doesn't happen often... but Exacta and Mamabear were good examples of this. I have no problem with them being banned, because they made it difficult to discuss anything.

Pong would probably be closer to a problem if he was here every day. But as far as I can tell, he stops by a couple times a week to say something stupid. I have no problem with it actually, because while it might make some people angry, it helps a non-football friday go by a little quicker.

[slimjoe]

Using up the clock is what Palmer's acompplished these past few games.I'm tired of watching him throw at empty spots on the field and use his eyes to find his recievers more often,and their running game chould be even better if Palmer telegraphed his handoffs a little less.

[HoosierCat]

Using up the clock is what Palmer's acompplished these past few games.

Well, we have a run game, so that's OK.

I'm tired of watching him throw at empty spots on the field

I'll be sure to write Palmer and tell him to throw more picks.

and use his eyes to find his recievers more often,

Yeah, instead he should use that butt hair radar all humans are gifted with.

and their running game chould be even better if Palmer telegraphed his handoffs a little less.

You do know one of his thumbs is basically hanging on his hand by a thread, right?

[ShulaSteakhouse]

You guys need to get off Pong's nuts here, I agree with him on this one, what's the big hub bub about?

If the offense sucks tomorrow then we have a major problem.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Using up the clock is what Palmer's acompplished these past few games.I'm tired of watching him throw at empty spots on the field and use his eyes to find his recievers more often,and their running game chould be even better if Palmer telegraphed his handoffs a little less.

The pick to Coles last week was Coles' fault, Lapham pointed that out as well during a radio segment.

And God forbid the Herculean o-line be criticized for committing at least 5 penalties a game.

Palmer has a bunch of guys around him not doing the right things, and a simple lack of talent in a few spots.

[gregstephens]

You guys need to get off Pong's nuts here, I agree with him on this one, what's the big hub bub about?

If the offense sucks tomorrow then we have a major problem.

Some have been saying that all season. The major problem has brought us to 9-3.

I'm thinking I can accept this problem.

[BengalszoneBilly]

What's with all these idiot Joeys? First Pong, and now slim. All we need is one more, and we'll have our own version of the Three Stooges!

[Kazkal]

Bengals Beat Vikings 2-0

"Watches joes head explode"