They clearly do not think Coffman is the answer

[HairOnFire]

The issue isn't even Coffman. It's Coats and his stone hands. Catch the f**king ball butterfingers and everything is rosy.

Hardly rosy, but yeah....there it is. Just catch the ball and we're good to go right now.

[SupaBran]

Not sure if someone else here mentioned it, but the thinking was that the Bengals' were offering up Chris Henry and a draft pick for him.

Henry looks like he's lost a step to me, so I wouldn't care all that much. It's possible Simpson was another possibility, and if so, could see why Jones passed on this altogether.

I heard the same thing last night. Straight up I would take it since we have Simpson in the background too. For Henry and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick....I don't think so unless it's Jason Witten.

Reading between the lines here but I think the Cowboys were asking too much.

I agree...if it was Simpson or Henry straight up then yeah, but they were asking for too much for somebody that is the Jerome Simpson version at tight end! Jerry Jones said he turned it down, but I think we offered something and he wanted more and then we backed out, but Jerry thinks he turned it down!

I asked my friend, who is a Cowgirls fan, about how stupid both teams were! Us, for reportedly offering that much, and them, for allegedly turning it down, but his stupid ass said he's glad that they turned it down unless it ended up being a Top10 pick.

All so we can get Bennett ?? Yeah, over the top stupid. He must not really watch the Cowboys play and simply claim to be a fan.

You should have given him a head slap for that dumb ass comment !!!

No doubt, I'll go all Mississippi Pimp on him!

[ArmyBengal]

Not sure if someone else here mentioned it, but the thinking was that the Bengals' were offering up Chris Henry and a draft pick for him.

Henry looks like he's lost a step to me, so I wouldn't care all that much. It's possible Simpson was another possibility, and if so, could see why Jones passed on this altogether.

I heard the same thing last night. Straight up I would take it since we have Simpson in the background too. For Henry and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick....I don't think so unless it's Jason Witten.

Reading between the lines here but I think the Cowboys were asking too much.

I agree...if it was Simpson or Henry straight up then yeah, but they were asking for too much for somebody that is the Jerome Simpson version at tight end! Jerry Jones said he turned it down, but I think we offered something and he wanted more and then we backed out, but Jerry thinks he turned it down!

I asked my friend, who is a Cowgirls fan, about how stupid both teams were! Us, for reportedly offering that much, and them, for allegedly turning it down, but his stupid ass said he's glad that they turned it down unless it ended up being a Top10 pick.

All so we can get Bennett ?? Yeah, over the top stupid. He must not really watch the Cowboys play and simply claim to be a fan.

You should have given him a head slap for that dumb ass comment !!!

No doubt, I'll go all Mississippi Pimp on him!

Yeah, go smack your b*tch up !!!

[HAPPYJAQ]

I've given great thought to this one, and my final resolution is that I'd rather have a TE that can block in the game than one that can't. Plain and simple. The Bengals didn't anticipate Coffman making any real contributions this year, similar to Simpson in last year's draft. Not only is the guy coming off a broken foot, but he's also getting used to playing NFL Tight End. It just so happens that we've had a miriad of injuries at his position, coupled with some inconsistencies from the replacements. I really don't want to see Carson or Ced wiped out on a critical play because our rookie TE missed his assignment. If he's not ready, he's just not ready, and it's too early to throw guys in there for experience-gaining purposes, although I'm surprised that Brat hasn't found a way to exploit Chase's ability as a pass-receiver.

The drops have been huge, but I think Coats efforts in the running game are just as understated as his drops are overstated, and it's a real negative for the offense if Carson loses confidence in his ability to complete passes to the starting TE.

[Ickey44]

The drops have been huge, but I think Coats efforts in the running game are just as understated as his drops are overstated, and it's a real negative for the offense if Carson loses confidence in his ability to complete passes to the starting TE.

I do agree that his blocking has been understated, but there's no way you can be serious that the drops are overstated. He's dropped two touchdown passes and quite a few first down passes. He's also fumbled thrice that I can recall, and lost two of them.

I still think they should swap Foschi and Coats around. Foschi may not be able to block as well as Coats, but I haven't seen him drop a pass all year. He did have the fumble last week, but I'm still not even sure how he lost it. In the replay all I could see was like five Texans surrounding him.

[icehole3]

I watched highlights of Owen Daniels this morning, that guy is smaller than Coffman and he doesnt block and they mentioned how good he is at running WR routes, this is the Bengals feeding us this know it all BS again IMO, instead of getting this kid out there, I think they just want to stay with Coates and Foschi

[TJJackson]

I watched highlights of Owen Daniels this morning, that guy is smaller than Coffman and he doesnt block and they mentioned how good he is at running WR routes, this is the Bengals feeding us this know it all BS again IMO, instead of getting this kid out there, I think they just want to stay with Coates and Foschi

The mistake you are making here is assuming that all teams use the same systems

Not all teams expect much blocking from the TE, just as not all teams expect man coverage from their CBs

In Cincinnati's offensive system, the TE must block first then catch

I'm neither defending this philospohy nor claiming it is the right way to go - I am simply stating fact

I believe they never intended for Coffman to play much this year if at all, to give him time to learn blocking from Kelly. I also believe that the only reason there is this outcry for Coffman is because Kelly and Utecht got injured, in turn putting Coats on the field a lot, and we all know the rest of that story. The best laid plans of mice and men.......

[membengal]

For the record, Coats blocked like a beast today, which is why he continues to be on the active roster and starting.

[Pidge]

Hopefully Foschi fixed the problem of Coats being unable to handle his balls, so to speak.

[ArmyBengal]

Hopefully Foschi fixed the problem of Coats being unable to handle his balls

Most creepy post of the season to this point ??

[Pidge]

Foschi can cradle balls like Coats can only dream about.

Twofer!

[ArmyBengal]

Well done...

[Horsemen]

Why did we not go after a more significant player? Maybe no one else was available but that is too high of a pick for that PoS Bennett! I think the Browns got a 2nd rounder for Winslow, the Giants got a 2nd or 3rd for Shockey I think. Hell, the Falcons got a Hall of Famer for a 2nd round pick! And we were gonna give up a 1st or a 2nd for Martellus Bennett...

Bennett is FAR from a "PoS." Might wanna know what you are talking about before spouting off, kid.

[BengalsMan3203]

And this just in..

Per CNati Sports News

Free agent tight end Tony Curtis among at least 5 guys #Bengals had in for tryouts on Monday

[HairOnFire]

For the record, Coats blocked like a beast today, which is why he continues to be on the active roster and starting.

There it is.

Simply put, Coats inability to catch half of the footballs thrown his direction is a big problem, but Coats ability as a blocker is a major reason for this teams success running the ball.

And running the ball is job one.

[TJJackson]

Might wanna know what you are talking about before spouting off, kid.

Supabran is one of the new braintrust elite here who do not let such trivial things as facts get in the way of a good rant

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

For the record, Coats blocked like a beast today, which is why he continues to be on the active roster and starting.

There it is.

Simply put, Coats inability to catch half of the footballs thrown his direction is a big problem, but Coats ability as a blocker is a major reason for this teams success running the ball.

And running the ball is job one.

Fair enough. But if it's a given that he can't catch, why not throw out an extra OT on running downs? I mean, they're to the point now where they're platooning him and Foschi anyway.

Really, at this point the question isn't whether Chase can block as well as Coats - it's whether he can catch in the endzone better than Foschi. I'd platoon an extra OL with our best redzone receiver (whether that's a a TE or WR) and use that instead of a TE, since we don't have one who can apparently both block AND catch.

[HairOnFire]

Fair enough. But if it's a given that he can't catch, why not throw out an extra OT on running downs?

That's exactly what they ARE doing....and they're doing it on both sides. In fact, Whitworth shifting to the right side, to line up outside of the ORT, has become almost as commonplace as Roland lining up as an extra OT on the left side. And in both examples you often see a TE, usually Coats, create an even greater overshift by lining up outside of the extra OT. On other occasions they'll shift the FB to the line as a defacto TE. And I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere, but since we're talking about extra blockers.....they just used Peko as a goal line FB against the Bears.

Really, at this point the question isn't whether Chase can block as well as Coats - it's whether he can catch in the endzone better than Foschi.

I don't think they're bulls**tting about why Coffman can't get on the field. In fact, if Coffman can't block he can't even contribute on special teams, nevermind getting reps with Palmer.

[blueridge]

Finally, the solution to the problem of Daniel Coats' horrific ball skills-don't throw the ball anywhere near him. The fact that he wasn't given the chance to hurt this team doesn't change the fact that he sucks and should be replaced.

[HoosierCat]

That's exactly what they ARE doing....and they're doing it on both sides. In fact, Whitworth shifting to the right side, to line up outside of the ORT, has become almost as commonplace as Roland lining up as an extra OT on the left side.

Yup. Just as Miami has the "Wildcat" and Denver has the "Wild Horses," the Bengals have introduced the "Wild Elephants."

I'm down with it.

[kingwilly]

That's exactly what they ARE doing....and they're doing it on both sides. In fact, Whitworth shifting to the right side, to line up outside of the ORT, has become almost as commonplace as Roland lining up as an extra OT on the left side.

Yup. Just as Miami has the "Wildcat" and Denver has the "Wild Horses," the Bengals have introduced the "Wild Elephants."

I'm down with it.

Wild Mammoths...

It is so refreshing to se them line up with these overload looks. It tells me that Brat and the staff are trying to use the tools they have to create the greatest amount of mismatch, and maximize the talent of Benson.

I saw several formations that were new. inlcuding the one with Roland on the left outside Whit. They are both very mobile and nimble.

It also sets up nicely, like against Baltimore, for easing in Big Dre into one of these special formations and keep the opposing D guessing and on their heels.

Good on ya, Brat. Not one end-around either...

[HairOnFire]

It is so refreshing to se them line up with these overload looks. It tells me that Brat and the staff are trying to use the tools they have to create the greatest amount of mismatch, and maximize the talent of Benson.

I give them extra credit for reworking their offseason plans after Kelly and Utecht were injured. Because not only have they completely reworked their offensive line, but many of the promised changes to the offensive playbook were linked to the TE position now manned by inexperienced players like Coats and Foschi.

BTW, I just finished watching the NFL Networks "Coaches Show" and Mike Martz gave the Bengals huge props for using extra OT's and multiple TE's against the Bears, pointing out how easily and effectively the bengals were able to "negate" both of the Bears outstanding but lighter DE's.

[Ickey44]

That's exactly what they ARE doing....and they're doing it on both sides. In fact, Whitworth shifting to the right side, to line up outside of the ORT, has become almost as commonplace as Roland lining up as an extra OT on the left side.

Yup. Just as Miami has the "Wildcat" and Denver has the "Wild Horses," the Bengals have introduced the "Wild Elephants."

I'm down with it.

Wild Elephants, huh? I like it.

[COB]

Even two years ago who would have thought the Bengals would be lining up in the wild elephant just smashmouthing people? We had the reputation as being soft and not physical. Things sure have changed.

Marvin Lewis said they were going to blow the whole thing up, and turn into a running team. He delivered, and that has opened the passing attack back up with a vengeance.

[HoosierCat]

That's exactly what they ARE doing....and they're doing it on both sides. In fact, Whitworth shifting to the right side, to line up outside of the ORT, has become almost as commonplace as Roland lining up as an extra OT on the left side.

Yup. Just as Miami has the "Wildcat" and Denver has the "Wild Horses," the Bengals have introduced the "Wild Elephants."

I'm down with it.

Wild Elephants, huh? I like it.

Full disclosure, I stole it from Alabama, tho I think it's just what they call their version of the wildcat. Seems to fit the multiple tackles thing better. Tho I like willy's "Wild Mammoths," too. Anyone catch that bit during the game after Roland got a penalty and Alexander yelled at him on the sideline? I think that Paul came up maybe to his waist....