It's Official - Chad want's out

[agreen_112]

check this out. Drew might want to talk to his client & tell him to STFU !

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/cincysports_bengals.html

[TJJackson]

There is nothing at that link (as I see it in my browser) except "should mike brown respond via youtube".

what is the gist of what you are pointing us at?

[BengalszoneBilly]

There is nothing at that link (as I see it in my browser) except "should mike brown respond via youtube".

what is the gist of what you are pointing us at?

The embedded "YouTube" screen isn't visable in your browser? Try another browser!

[agreen_112]

Basically Drew makes a statement with 3 major points.

1. No intention of Chad sitting out the 2008 season. It's not a possibilty

2. Whether or not Chad wants a trade, the discussion with be professional with all who are involved and it will be held privately, not publicly, behind closed doors. This is a private matter.

3. Again, he says this is going to be done professionally and it will not be a public "circus".

On a sidenote, he mentions "Chad is clearly frusterated, he is clearly unhappy.... How everything plays out it will happen privately." And again he mentions "professionaly".

Will Mike Brown respond via Youtube? I hope so, that would be AWESOME! I hope Mike says there is no discussion, Chad's under contract he WILL honor that contract.

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I think Carson, in his leadership position, needs to step up and make a decision. Does he want Chad or does he feel like Chad's already gone and it's time to move on. He's the leader of this team and I think he needs to come forward and put Chad's ass in place. Either that or come out and say; "If you don't want to be here, than we don't want you here", nonetheless Carson needs to step up in some way.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Why do people keep confusing Chad's rantings with his contract or money? It has little to nothing to do with that.

He wants out because the Bengals' constantly suck and won't do what it takes to win - period, they won't change and he now knows that. It was the same story with Dillon, Spikes and Pickens (and just about every worthwhile free agent that's bothered to even come here)

Chad wants to play in January every year and get that sort of attention and go to a Superbowl. Sure he's a whining baby when it comes to how he handles it, but ultimately I don't blame the guy for having higher standards than management.

I'd get sick of sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs every year too. He's done it every single season he's been here sans one - and that was very short-lived.

Wouldn't you get tired of missing the playoffs every year after 5, 6, 7 seasons?

Now one could argue he was to blame for some of that last year certainly, and that's the problem I have with him. Deal with it the right way, not by burning bridges and alienating everyone around you, and acting like an a$$.

No one ever said pro jocks were smart though.

[TJJackson]

There is nothing at that link (as I see it in my browser) except "should mike brown respond via youtube".

what is the gist of what you are pointing us at?

The embedded "YouTube" screen isn't visable in your browser? Try another browser!

I think it is blocked at my location, is all :-) Tried IE6 and Firefox 2

[agreen_112]

Why do people keep confusing Chad's rantings with his contract or money? It has little to nothing to do with that.

He wants out because the Bengals' constantly suck and won't do what it takes to win - period, they won't change and he now knows that. It was the same story with Dillon, Spikes and Pickens (and just about every worthwhile free agent that's bothered to even come here)

Chad wants to play in January every year and get that sort of attention and go to a Superbowl. Sure he's a whining baby when it comes to how he handles it, but ultimately I don't blame the guy for having higher standards than management.

I'd get sick of sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs every year too. He's done it every single season he's been here sans one - and that was very short-lived.

Wouldn't you get tired of missing the playoffs every year after 5, 6, 7 seasons?

Now one could argue he was to blame for some of that last year certainly, and that's the problem I have with him. Deal with it the right way, not by burning bridges and alienating everyone around you, and acting like an a$$.

No one ever said pro jocks were smart though.

I'll agree with you on that, it has nothing to do with money. Everything you said is true, he's fed up... OTOH, he has a contract, we'll see what happens.

[BengalByTheBay]

If your argument now is that the Bengals didn't get a huge benefit from drafting Chad Johnson when he was a recognized "head case" you're ignoring the plain reality and the past 8 years in favor of looking at the past 8 months or so.

And I argued that where? I never said they "didn't get a huge benefit from drafting Chad Johnson when he was a recognized "head case"".

I said they knew he was a head case, they drafted him anyhow, they had years of experience with him in the locker room, they knew the problems he created...and they decided to give him big bucks more than once anyhow.

In which case they get zero sympathy from me.

Actually, you said "f you are going to spend a premium pick on a head case, then you had better be prepared for the consequences." So, you were talking about when they drafted him and not when the re-signed him. If you're now going to change your argument to "they had years of experience with him in the locker room, they knew the problems he created...and they decided to give him big bucks more than once anyhow" -- then what is the point of saying he was a head case when he was drafted? Either they made a good draft or they didn't. It's impossible to look at your original statement and not conclude that your point was -- at the time he was drafted the Bengals should have known there would be consequences. My response to that is -- if they had known the consequences were multiple pro bowl appearances and team yardage records for a second round pick, they probably would have pulled the same trigger again.

So, you now want to talk not about where or when he was drafted, but rather about how the Bengals had heard enough of his mouth in the locker room to know he would be a pain in the ass at some point publicly, but they re-signed him anyway. That's a less compelling point, to me, but it's not the one you started with.

[HoosierCat]

If your argument now is that the Bengals didn't get a huge benefit from drafting Chad Johnson when he was a recognized "head case" you're ignoring the plain reality and the past 8 years in favor of looking at the past 8 months or so.

And I argued that where? I never said they "didn't get a huge benefit from drafting Chad Johnson when he was a recognized "head case"".

I said they knew he was a head case, they drafted him anyhow, they had years of experience with him in the locker room, they knew the problems he created...and they decided to give him big bucks more than once anyhow.

In which case they get zero sympathy from me.

Actually, you said "f you are going to spend a premium pick on a head case, then you had better be prepared for the consequences." So, you were talking about when they drafted him and not when the re-signed him. If you're now going to change your argument to "they had years of experience with him in the locker room, they knew the problems he created...and they decided to give him big bucks more than once anyhow" -- then what is the point of saying he was a head case when he was drafted? Either they made a good draft or they didn't.

Because the two observations are not mutually exclusive. And again, nowhere have I argued the bengals haven't gotten value for their pick and money. The point is they knew he was a head case when they drafted him, and knew he was a head case when they kept re-signing him.

It's impossible to look at your original statement and not conclude that your point was -- at the time he was drafted the Bengals should have known there would be consequences. My response to that is -- if they had known the consequences were multiple pro bowl appearances and team yardage records for a second round pick, they probably would have pulled the same trigger again.

Yep, they probably would, in which case they have no excuse to complain when Chad decides to be Chad.

So, you now want to talk not about where or when he was drafted, but rather about how the Bengals had heard enough of his mouth in the locker room to know he would be a pain in the ass at some point publicly, but they re-signed him anyway. That's a less compelling point, to me, but it's not the one you started with.

I'll talk about both. They are related. The Bengals have had multiple opportunities to not have him around, starting with the draft and going through two subsequent contract extensions. They have repeatedly declined, despite knowing he was a head case from the start.

[COB]

He wants out because the Bengals' constantly suck and won't do what it takes to win

That's funny, because for the first week of his campaign, Chad constantly cited a lack of respect from the organization and his teammates as the reason he wanted traded. Specifically, he repeatedly said he was criticized by fans and media and then, the horror, no one in the organization had his back. He modified that later to say that TJ and Carson were the only one's who had his back. He pointedly said he'd been called a cancer, and since no one had refuted that, he assumed they'd be wanting to get rid of him, and he was ready to go.

He only started adding his insincere claim that he had to leave Cincy to get to the playoffs once the media had several days to digest his antics then vomit them back up as a brutal portrayel of Chad as a whining little girl. That playoff claim by Chad is a lie, thrown in there at the end to try to rehabilitate the image he had so badly damaged by repeatedly spouting the real reason - that he wasn't getting his ass kissed enough by his teammates and employers.

I'll concede that he actually said he wanted to leave to get to a Superbowl. But the teams he has cited as possible destinations including Oakland, Miami, Carolina, etc., show that his desire to relocate has nothing to do with his thinking he'll have a better chance to win elsewhere.

The whole thing is rooted in whatever personality disorder Chad has that drives his insatiable desire for attention and stroking. His coaches can't control his mouth, his own agent can't control him, even Chad's own common sense can't overcome his impetous need to dive in front of every camera or microphone in his general vicinity.

Does anyone reading this honestly believe that Chad would be wanting out if, say, we'd had the same won-loss records in '06 and '07, but he was still wildly cheered at home games, was still worshipped by the local press, and was still kid-gloved by coaches and teammates? Please. He'd be at a local comedy club right now bait-and-switching a bunch of raffle ticket buyers and giving a luxury car to whatever dimwitted skank he has signed up to become baby-momma number 4.

When asked about the Raiders as a possibility, he said nothing about the playoffs. He just said, "I'd turn the black hole white." It's all about the love Chad can get, not the wins the team can get.

[BengalByTheBay]

Because the two observations are not mutually exclusive. And again, nowhere have I argued the bengals haven't gotten value for their pick and money. The point is they knew he was a head case when they drafted him, and knew he was a head case when they kept re-signing him.

What does the first part have to do with the last part?

What were the "consequences" of drafting a "head case" prior to the time he was first re-signed?

[HoosierCat]

What were the "consequences" of drafting a "head case" prior to the time he was first re-signed?

The consequences were adding a potential cancer to the team.

"You knew I was a scorpion when you picked me up."

[kingwilly]

I realize this might mince the discussion but I think it is fair to say they might not have known the full extent of his toxicity. At tht time, he was the emerging talent that everyone loved for his work ethic and committment to the team.

[HoosierCat]

I realize this might mince the discussion but I think it is fair to say they might not have known the full extent of his toxicity. At tht time, he was the emerging talent that everyone loved for his work ethic and committment to the team.

Whether they knew the full extent of his "toxicity" is somewhat beside the point. The Bengals' history has demonstrated that any players with known potential for becoming cancers eventually do so (see Pickens, Dillon, Darnay etc.). The organization is fundamentally unable to incorporate such players, probably because you can't build a team by drafting an endless string of "me-me" types. You have to build the team first, then you can selectively add "me-me" types like the Pats did with Dillon and Moss.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I realize this might mince the discussion but I think it is fair to say they might not have known the full extent of his toxicity. At tht time, he was the emerging talent that everyone loved for his work ethic and committment to the team.

Whether they knew the full extent of his "toxicity" is somewhat beside the point. The Bengals' history has demonstrated that any players with known potential for becoming cancers eventually do so (see Pickens, Dillon, Darnay etc.). The organization is fundamentally unable to incorporate such players, probably because you can't build a team by drafting an endless string of "me-me" types. You have to build the team first, then you can selectively add "me-me" types like the Pats did with Dillon and Moss.

Yup, the Bingals are the last organization that should be drafting questionable character types. Yet, they revel in it, because they like the best-bang-for-the-buck types, ecspecially when it comes to "skill position players."

Why pay for good scouting and coaching, and lineman and defense, when you can draft CJ's, Henry's, Palmer's and Odell's, and expect them to do everything?

Genius I tell you, and as you can see, it's really worked well the last 17 years.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Chad want's out

Great. What am I going to do with my jersey? Suggestions?

Wait...I may have solved this problem:

[Horsemen]

LOL just make a new nametag and dub Who Dey as Bengal #85

Btw skoal sucks

[BengalszoneBilly]

Btw skoal sucks

You saw that!?! I guess you're a Copenhagen man.

[Horsemen]

Yeah I caught the letters in the corner of my eye and yes I am.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Yeah I caught the letters in the corner of my eye and yes I am.

Good eye. As far as Skoal, it's what I started with, and what I like. The same with the Bengals, Big Boobs, Bluegrass Music, the Marines, the John Browning designed single action Colt .45 ACP/Browning 9mm Hi Power caliber automatic handguns, and good Kentucky Bourbon Whiskey.