Bengals only team w/o scout at Div II Championship

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Dayton Daily News

ESPN analyst Bob Davie stirred up some controversy when he reported the Bengals were the only NFL team not to have a scout at Northwest Missouri State's 34-16 victory over Grand Valley State in an NCAA Division II semifinal at Maryville, Mo., on Saturday night.

Davie served as coach at Notre Dame from 1997-2001.

"Where does Bob Davie coach?" Lewis said. "I heard about (his comments).

I don't know how true it is. I would hope Bob would have a little more sense than to say something unless he was there keeping track. Maybe he has enough time to keep track, since he doesn't coach anymore."

Do the Bengals know about the NFL prospects in that game? "Obviously, we do," Lewis said. "There's not a guy, of the prospects that come out, that you haven't looked at and evaluated."

So, Marvin, did you or did you not have a scout at the game? All he offered was a personal attack on the guy who reported it instead of answering the question. How could he not know???

Just another example of why they are LOSERS more often than not.

[CJBestInAFC]

Maybe Marvin and the crew felt that there wasn't a player of interest in the game that they felt they would draft this year. Does it really matter that they missed one game of NCAA Division II semifinal. I know they Bengals are understaffed in the scouting deptartment, but how many good players come from NCAA Division II school? I am talking about a % of the players that make it in the NFL, how many come from Dvision II? Most of these Division II players are usually 6th or 7th, or they go undrafted. It is not like where making a huge mistake not watching these players live.

[cincy9275]

You see shula that is because Mr. Brown has direct tv. so he is going to cut the scouting staff more to save money. so he can buy the rest of his family the 3 room offer Direct tv has. lol what a joke this management is.

[muelleaw1]

I subscribe to the theory that if EVERY other NFL team is doing something, there is probably a reason that they are doing it. Sometimes that theory is wrong, but usually it is sound. If it wasn't helping at all for scouts to be at that game, I highly doubt that EVERY other team would be at the game. It's not like a few teams were there, EVERY other team was there. Division II players are being put into the NFL draft talent pool more and more these days. Alos, it's important to actually be there, or no scouts would ever go to the actual games to watch in person.

[COB]

You guys actually believe Mike Brown pays for Direc TV? No way. Here's a typical scouting communique in Bengaldom:

Memo to Mike Brown, from Bengals non-scout, but getting paid anyway, John Cooper:

"Mike, the fat guy who jumps off the goalpost in that Dr. Pepper commercial looks pretty athletic. We can try him at OT, OG, C, and DE. Also, he's durable as he got right up after that fall."

Mike Brown response:

"John, since we're still pirating signals off our 1970's garage-sized sattelite dish, I don't get to see any commercials. But this sounds like my kind of player. Please sign him, franchise tag him, then happily accept years of IR and suspensions.

Also, Pumpkin wants to know what, if anything, you've found out about this 'combine' thingy we keep hearing about. Finally John, quit telling me my shirts are frayed. Just iron them and drop them off. Signed, Mike."

[Bengals1]

Could Marvin be any more condescending?

And this is chiefly the fault of the guy who owns and operates the bungles, not Lewis alone.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Could Marvin be any more condescending?

And this is chiefly the fault of the guy who owns and operates the bungles, not Lewis alone.

Of course it is. Mike Brown is more than happy filling up Paul Brown Stadium with a mediocre team. For him, "It's all about the Benjamins baby".

[Jet23]

Lewis needs to stop taking bullets for that freaking skin flint. I hope SOP is the laughing stock of the entire national media, so perhaps Goodell will take notice. If Rog has a brain he will eventually figure out that the drafting of the low character players and SOP's apparent inability to come off a dime, is really the same problem. If you do not have the resources to properly evaluate the talent, you have to cut corners....plain and simple.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Lewis needs to stop taking bullets for that freaking skin flint. I hope SOP is the laughing stock of the entire national media, so perhaps Goodell will take notice. If Rog has a brain he will eventually figure out that the drafting of the low character players and SOP's apparent inability to come off a dime, is really the same problem. If you do not have the resources to properly evaluate the talent, you have to cut corners....plain and simple.

Well Lance McAlister did some "research" today and elicited listener e-mail's and put a poll up and this is what he found out (that it really doesn't matter to paying "fans" of this team how they do):

I learned something today

The email reaction to the "Email of the day" has been eye opening.

The poll question results have been staggering.

I've been wrong. Bengals football is not whether you win or lose, it is how you enjoy your experience at the game.

I have learned:

*Bengals football is the tailgating and atmosphere....not the result.

*Bengals football is a social gathering....not a product purchase

*PBS is like a country club......not a competitive playing field where wins, playoffs and Super Bowls are the goal.

*Bengals football is not about being taken advantage of....it's about bonding with other fans.

*Bengals football is not about failing at the goal 16 times in the last 17 years....it's about beer and brats and high fiving the guy with the foam finger.

*Bengals football is not about holding the Brown family accountable....it's about holding your buddies beer while he takes a leak behind the big orange bus in the lot.

*Bengals football is not about scouting college players...it's about scouting out the best spot in the lot to tailgate.

Going to a Bengals game is now like taking the kids to Chuck E. Cheese's......great for laughs and fun..........and the pizza is ok.

It might be Mike Brown's greatest accomplishment.

So, I think this is pretty accurate. Getting drunk, being seen, and socializing in a hum drum city with nothing better to do, is more important than watching good football and winning.

NFL games aren't all that much fun at all IMO, I don't get what the big deal is, I'd rather go to a college game any day of the week. The NFL is made for TV, so I guess the fans are just wanting to be a studio audience who over-pay for bad beer in a sardine can and are willing to tolerate bad weather, bad football and sit through endless commercial breaks. Wee.

[Bengals1]

Could Marvin be any more condescending?

And this is chiefly the fault of the guy who owns and operates the bungles, not Lewis alone.

Of course it is. Mike Brown is more than happy filling up Paul Brown Stadium with a mediocre team. For him, "It's all about the Benjamins baby".

Yep, exactly. And as long as their are sufficiant butts in the seats he'll never change....and neither will the bungles.

[Bengals1]

Lewis needs to stop taking bullets for that freaking skin flint. I hope SOP is the laughing stock of the entire national media, so perhaps Goodell will take notice. If Rog has a brain he will eventually figure out that the drafting of the low character players and SOP's apparent inability to come off a dime, is really the same problem. If you do not have the resources to properly evaluate the talent, you have to cut corners....plain and simple.

Jet brings up a good point here. If Goodell could drag himself away from suspending every bengals player caught jay-walking and direct his wrath at the owner he'd be doing the league and the fans a much greater service.

He ought to be ashamed that a franchise founded by one of the greatest legends of the game is floundering so badly. He ought to call SoP and explain to him that the league takes a dim view of his cheapskate, little effort tactics.

He ought to, but of course, he won't.

Welcome to hell bungles fans. If you look close you can almost see the horns on Mikey boys head.

[Bengals44]

When you consider we only have "ONE" scout, this is not that surpising... I dont see one of the 3 "consultantas" going, I doubt they do anything but evaluate a little film...

[HairOnFire]

Wow, you guys sound outraged. Perhaps you should burn your Bengal gear and find another team to root for? But before you do....take your own advice and make sure your new team sent scouts to see the epic tilt between Northwest Missouri State and Grand Valley State.

You guys crack me up.

[Spor_tees]

Wow, you guys sound outraged. Perhaps you should burn your Bengal gear and find another team to root for? But before you do....take your own advice and make sure your new team sent scouts to see the epic tilt between Northwest Missouri State and Grand Valley State.

You guys crack me up.

Well I don't think the outrage is much about that other than the fact that other teams spend enough money to send a scout to the game...and the fact that Marvin Lewis gets an attitude and takes pot shots at a guy when all he said was the Bengals were the only team without a scout at the game and nothing at Lewis in particular. It's actually kinda sad that Lewis would react like that, maybe just the real side of his egotistical attitude is coming out that many thought was only directed at the media as a facade to hide game plans...

P.S. was this game played in a bubble?

[HairOnFire]

...and the fact that Marvin Lewis gets an attitude and takes pot shots at a guy when all he said was the Bengals were the only team without a scout at the game and nothing at Lewis in particular.

Please, if you want to get upset about unprovoked pot shots start with Davies....an ex-college coach now plinking away in internet obscurity.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Wow, you guys sound outraged. Perhaps you should burn your Bengal gear and find another team to root for?

Jesus...haven't we covered this already?

[Stripes]

Wow, you guys sound outraged. Perhaps you should burn your Bengal gear and find another team to root for?

Jesus...haven't we covered this already?

Probably, just as we've whined about the team's scouting department already.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Wow, you guys sound outraged. Perhaps you should burn your Bengal gear and find another team to root for?

Jesus...haven't we covered this already?

Probably, just as we've whined about the team's scouting department already.

True, but the scouting department fiasco is so much more fixable than me finding another team to root for.

[Stripes]

Could be, Billy... but I think that's just what Hair's talking about. The scouting scenario isn't going to change no matter how many threads are dedicated to it on Bengals message boards. Fans at least have free will.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Could be, Billy... but I think that's just what Hair's talking about. The scouting scenario isn't going to change no matter how many threads are dedicated to it on Bengals message boards. Fans at least have free will.

And Mikie doesn't? I haven't seen anyone holding a gun to his head lately. I follow my heart. He follows his wallet. You pick which is best.

[HoosierCat]

Could be, Billy... but I think that's just what Hair's talking about. The scouting scenario isn't going to change no matter how many threads are dedicated to it on Bengals message boards. Fans at least have free will.

That may be true...however, lets take that logic to it's natural conclusion: nothing with regard to the Bengals will ever change as a result of message board threads, right?

So, I guess that's it, eh? Hey, B24, close 'er down. [gifford] Turn out the lights, the party's ooover... [/gifford]

[BengalszoneBilly]

Could be, Billy... but I think that's just what Hair's talking about. The scouting scenario isn't going to change no matter how many threads are dedicated to it on Bengals message boards. Fans at least have free will.

That may be true...however, lets take that logic to it's natural conclusion: nothing with regard to the Bengals will ever change as a result of message board threads, right?

So, I guess that's it, eh? Hey, B24, close 'er down. [gifford] Turn out the lights, the party's ooover... [/gifford]

If I thought for a moment that Mike or Marvin read our comments I would personally over load the profanity filters here.

[COB]

Welcome to hell bungles fans.

You know what? That's a pretty common refrain. In reality, it's not really hell, or anything close to it. In fact, at the end of this season, our coach will finish his first five years on the job above .500. Lots of guys will laugh at me for lauding that, but how would that have looked had someone proposed it to us the year before Marvin was hired? We're not the Bungles anymore. We're better than half the teams in this league. 2.5 scouts versus the league average 10? Yup, that's cheap, and it angers me. But the days of not paying for players are over. And we are far from the Bungles. This very disappointing season will get us 7 or 8 wins. Those are the kind of down years that good teams endure.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Ah, someone's gotta keep it lively around here, and give Hair a reason to post.

Oh yeah, this is another reason why I don't like going to games anymore.

[HoosierCat]

I think this is what Shula was looking for...