fed up

[HoosierCat]

you know i can't even really get mad because this defense has been a problem for the past 2 season and marvin chose to stick with. well this is the out come when you get out played by a lesser team it is nothing but coaching . no excuses about a let down or this person or that person it is all marvins fault. i don't want to hear his some old tired excuses well we did not tackle well or can't turn the ball over that's all bulls**t , i for one am not f**king blind i can see the problem and it is plain and simple coaching on defense and s/t that is the problem!

I might punctuate that paragraph a bit better but yeah, that's about it. I can't mad, either. Too much same old, same old.

delhole:

I thought Holt looked good

Holt was a f**king warrior today.

[Casey]

I thought Holt looked good

The dude played his ass off and showed all kinds of heart. It was great to see him step up.

[HoTbOy]

I was saying last week that we should wait to see how the defense holds up against NE or the Colts, well I guess we don't have to wait for that answer...Who would of thought DAnderson would put up 5TD's, LHall got some praise last week, but he got burned today...And here I thought we had a chance to shut Cleveland out...Those 489 yards in PS was just the start of things to come...I don't know if you can change this, this has been going on with this team for WAY too long to have a defensive guru as a coach...I know we don't have the PB players the Ravens have on D, but you should be able to stop someone every now and then...

[BengalszoneBilly]

Its not that big of a deal...our d messed up. A short week and a physical game prior to the browns game i think is a big reason. Best we can do is focus on the seahawks game. Cleveland played well and deserve this win. Congrats.

That's a winnable game as the Cardinals showed.

[HoosierCat]

I can't remember when I've been so interested in hearing a coaches explanation for a game performance.

How do you let any QB with only 4 games of starting experience do THAT to your defense? How do you give up roughly 20 big plays? Where did the pass rush go?

Hobson called it. The season just turned upside down.

Here's Dustin Dow, posting on the Enquirer's Bengals blog...

Remember last week when Marvin Lewis and Carson Palmer couldn't say enough about how great the Bengals defense was and how they credited the defense for winning the game.

Funny how a loss turns folks tight-lipped, especially Lewis, who flat-out refused to talk about why the Bengals defense was so bad today.

"I'm not going to try to explain it," Lewis said afterward. "That's our business."

OK. Fine. Whatever. So apparently it's everybody's business when things go well. But when they don't, it's only the Bengals' private business. The only problem with that is that we all saw what happened. We all saw the nonexistent pass rush. We all saw Leon Hall's inexperience. We all saw Jamal Lewis run through holes as wide as I-71.

Hall, for his part, said there was a lot of miscommunication, which led to confusion, out there today. Justin Smith said there were a lot of players in the wrong gaps, which led to major defensive breakdowns.

Lewis tried to spin it positive, saying the Bengals "hung in there and made it a 60-minute game."

Yeah, sure. They hung in there with a team that dealt its starting QB last week and looked about as inept as an NFL team can possibly look.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Ravens won their "short week" game today against arguably a better team.

What's the Bengals' excuse? Injuries again? Refs? Bad breaks?

[Dan2330]

Every fantasy football player around must be checking their players schedules to see when they play the Bengals this year.

[Tasher]

Cowher is available, I hear.

[bengalspride1219]

To add insult to injury, we'll get more of Marvin's "we'll fix it, we'll play harder, guys just need to do their jobs" BS this week. Can't wait...

I can't remember when I've been so interested in hearing a coaches explanation for a game performance.

How do you let any QB with only 4 games of starting experience do THAT to your defense? How do you give up roughly 20 big plays? Where did the pass rush go?

Hobson called it. The season just turned upside down.

i know

last season they went 7 scoreless quarters

shutting out the browns then almost the ravens.

i wasnt too impressed after week 1s victory with their defense cause for some reason the ravens can never do anything against the bengals offensively anyways

i definitely didn't expect this though.

[HairOnFire]

Ravens won their "short week" game today against arguably a better team.

What's the Bengals' excuse? Injuries again? Refs? Bad breaks?

Well, I've heard one expert repeatedly blame the loss on the Bengals O-Line and the lack of a running game. That seems pretty fugtarded to me, but there you go.

[Stripes]

Ravens won their "short week" game today against arguably a better team.

What's the Bengals' excuse? Injuries again? Refs? Bad breaks?

Well, I've heard one expert repeatedly blame the loss on the Bengals O-Line and the lack of a running game. That seems pretty fugtarded to me, but there you go.

It doesn't get any more fugtarded than that.

[HairOnFire]

Plenty of things to point to, but the first thing out of Justin Smith's mouth says plenty....

“We scaled down the defense to play base stuff,” defensive end Justin Smith said. “And we weren’t on the same page. …We had mental errors, guys in the wrong gaps. Any time you’ve got guys in the wrong gaps, you’re going to get exposed.”

[Ickey44]

Why did they scale down the defense? That's just retarded.

[Spor_tees]

Plenty of things to point to, but the first thing out of Justin Smith's mouth says plenty....

“We scaled down the defense to play base stuff,” defensive end Justin Smith said. “And we weren’t on the same page. …We had mental errors, guys in the wrong gaps. Any time you’ve got guys in the wrong gaps, you’re going to get exposed.”

That says it all. What kind of stupid a$$ coach changes a defensive game plan that worked against one of the top teams in the NFL one week, to something totally different the next week against a lower tier team? Chuck Bresh that's who! Of coarse players are going to be out of place and missing assignments when you change the defensive game plan so drastically from one week to the next, especially on a short week. If players are constantly not getting good communication, missing assignments, and hitting the wrong gaps, do you blame EVERY player on the team, or do you blame the coaches for not having them prepared right? I'm sorry but it's the coaches fault, especially when this is a consistent theme for this defense. It just doesn't matter what players you plug into the defense, you get the same results, and that is just plain frustrating. The Bengals need to get a defensive coordinator with some heart and fire to get these guys fired up and play with some intensity and enthusiasm. If a guy is going to make a mistake at least make it be at full speed and not half a$$ed, and when it does happen, it only happens once because they get their a$$ chewed out and not just a pat on the butt and "You'll get it next time."

[Stripes]

Why are the players getting out of position so frequently in base alignments?

[ArmyBengal]

This could go in many threads, but I'm here now and will make a quick point...

Marvin has REPEATEDLY made the comment about holding players accountable. What about his coaching staff ??

**Ahem** 51 points surrendered to the Browns ??

Tell me I'm not the only one that feels someone should be held accountable for this !!!

F*CK BRESNAHAN !!!

WHODEY !!!

[membengal]

Plenty of things to point to, but the first thing out of Justin Smith's mouth says plenty....

“We scaled down the defense to play base stuff,” defensive end Justin Smith said. “And we weren’t on the same page. …We had mental errors, guys in the wrong gaps. Any time you’ve got guys in the wrong gaps, you’re going to get exposed.”

Same reaction as everyone else to that....WHY would they have done that. WHY would that be the lesson they carried from last week? Against a baby qb, why not bring the house and bring exotic looks as often as you can? WHY? WHY? WHY?

What the f**k is wrong with ML and Chuck B? Are they selectively functionally retarded?

[Stripes]

Same reaction as everyone else to that....WHY would they have done that. WHY would that be the lesson they carried from last week? Against a baby qb, why not bring the house and bring exotic looks as often as you can? WHY? WHY? WHY?

Because in any realistic pre-game mindset, Derek Anderson doesn't throw five touchdown passes against a coverage-oriented scheme. Steve McNair and Derek Anderson aren't comparable at all. They employed the same strategy that netted five interceptions in 2005 against Kyle Orton. The Browns played their hearts out, and they dominated the line of scrimmage. The Bengals couldn't execute anything up front, and that led to breakdowns downfield.

When a team gives up 200 yards rushing to Jamal Lewis and 5 TDs to nobody in particular, I just can't fathom pointing my finger at anything beyond execution. That's no slight on you, mem, or anyone else of course.

I'm not surprised by the anti-Bres outcry we've seen here after the game, but I think it's premature.

[membengal]

TDB, I flat disagree. Could not disagree more.

Sitting back in coverage against any NFL qb is asking for trouble. Those guys get to that level because they can complete passes. I do not understand any game plan that 100% counts on a qb to be bad at completing a forward pass. And, near as I could tell, that's what the Bengals were counting on yesterday. Even if you think that will work, you better have a different plan ready to go if it doesn't. And, as usual with the Bengals, I saw no different plan. They were simply unprepared to respond in any meaningful way to what happened, which is par for their defensive course.

They should have blitzed, and been prepared to blitz. They should have had the same exotic blitz packages ready to go. That they didn't, that they had no meaningful way to respond when sit-back-in-coverage blew up? That's what ChuckB should be fired for, even moreso than the horridness of the initial gameplan.

[Tee]

If you guys wnat to jump off the bandwagon.....get off and stay off......

I've been a fan ever since I was a little kid (and I'm 38) , and one loss the the lowly Browns will not change anything.

I've been through way much more than that. (Shula era)

[SkinneymulleT]

Leon hall got burned, lost, and blocked all day long. It Reminded me of the USC-Michigan game where the taller jarret was able to get behind him an exploit him down field all game. I think every long pass to a wide reciever, leon was either trailing or blew the coverage entirely. The run defence was abysmal. Jamal always tears us up. Why, because he is a beast and caleb miller and landon johnson have eating disorders and need to seek help for their anorexia. Cant stop the run with 200lbs backers. And why cant chuck make in game adjustments. Happens every year. If we game plan well like against baltimore we are fine, if we dont we never adjust and just get smoked. And where was the heat on the pass rush. After such success last week, could we not mix it up a little. So predictable.

[membengal]

If you guys wnat to jump off the bandwagon.....get off and stay off......

I've been a fan ever since I was a little kid (and I'm 38) , and one loss the the lowly Browns will not change anything.

I've been through way much more than that. (Shula era)

No offense, tee, but that kind of take gets old. No one who posts in a forum like this is a fairweather fan. I am 37 myself, remember games starting somewhere around 1975, and have bled with this team every year since. This board is for discussing the team and the games.

And, respectfully, there is a s**tLOAD to discuss off of yesterday. I remember few losses in the Shula era being as disheartening as that one was yesterday. You know why? Because we have a right, now, to expect more as a fanbase than what we were fed yesterday. Period.

[Tee]

If you guys wnat to jump off the bandwagon.....get off and stay off......

I've been a fan ever since I was a little kid (and I'm 38) , and one loss the the lowly Browns will not change anything.

I've been through way much more than that. (Shula era)

No offense, tee, but that kind of take gets old. No one who posts in a forum like this is a fairweather fan. I am 37 myself, remember games starting somewhere around 1975, and have bled with this team every year since. This board is for discussing the team and the games.

And, respectfully, there is a s**tLOAD to discuss off of yesterday. I remember few losses in the Shula era being as disheartening as that one was yesterday. You know why? Because we have a right, now, to expect more as a fanbase than what we were fed yesterday. Period.

I didn't say you couldn't b!tch about a loss.... re-read my post. I was responding to posters like djdannos and anyone else who finds another team.

I am seriously considering finding another team, this is pathetic...I don't care how anyone tries to spin it how do you lose against the Browns putting up 6td's...for how exciting the offense is the D is twice as bad!!!

I am literally on the phone with Directv canceling my NFL tkt...

[membengal]

Sorry, tee, your post came after mine, so I assumed it was directed to me in part since it didn't specify the others you are taking issue with...

[HairOnFire]

Same reaction as everyone else to that....WHY would they have done that. WHY would that be the lesson they carried from last week? Against a baby qb, why not bring the house and bring exotic looks as often as you can? WHY? WHY? WHY?

Because in any realistic pre-game mindset, Derek Anderson doesn't throw five touchdown passes against a coverage-oriented scheme. Steve McNair and Derek Anderson aren't comparable at all. They employed the same strategy that netted five interceptions in 2005 against Kyle Orton. The Browns played their hearts out, and they dominated the line of scrimmage. The Bengals couldn't execute anything up front, and that led to breakdowns downfield.

When a team gives up 200 yards rushing to Jamal Lewis and 5 TDs to nobody in particular, I just can't fathom pointing my finger at anything beyond execution. That's no slight on you, mem, or anyone else of course.

I'm not surprised by the anti-Bres outcry we've seen here after the game, but I think it's premature.

TDB, I think you've nailed why the Bengals attempted to do what they did. I've said as much myself. The better question is why they felt it would work any better than it did. No disrespect intended, but in other posts you've used the Bengals past history to show a trend to be blown out that you feel won't be repeated more than once or twice a season. But heres the rub. If there's a trend you're admitting that there's history that will be repeated over and over again, only differing in the degrees that the Bengals defense is gashed.

I posted the Justin Smith scaled back/base defense quote for a reason, and I'm pretty sure it's not lost on anyone. That being, the Bengals defense has embraced vanilla schemes far too often in the past, preferring coverage over creating chaos, and on a disturbing number of occasions they've been made to pay dearly for it. And IMHO that type of flawed gameplanning puts them on shaky ground as I believe most teams facing the Browns yesterday would have overwhelmingly attempted to attack inexperience at the source instead of attempting to defend it down the field. And that's even more true when facing an opponent whose strength rests with its skill position players and it's glaring weaknesses being found at the O-Line and QB positions.