HairOnFire Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Hair, you seem to feel that the post crime obstruction is the same level of guilt, and I just can't see that. I can't speak to his level of guilt because I don't really know where his level of involvement begins or ends. All I know is every action he took immediately after the crime was taken to cover up his involvement....including destroying all of the clothes he was wearing due to them being covered with blood. He admitted to that, right? And he admitted to coaching the other members in the limo so that everyone told the same story to the police. And he later admitted under oath that initial story was a lie, right? Finally, he never actually named the killer despite being so closely involved that he was covered in blood evidence. And I know one more thing too. That even though you can get kicked out of the NFL for some pretty trivial things Ray Lewis wasn't kicked out.....even though the things Lewis actually confessed to, nevermind what he might have done, are far more serious than mutliple substance abuse violations. Look at it this way. A third offense for smoking weed or using steroids results in a lifetime ban. Yet I'm supposed to accept Ray Lewis being embraced back into the NFL family simply because he was only involved in a double-murder once? And more to the point, Lewis wasn't just accepted back. His previous status remained intact. He's still the public face of the Raven franchise and one of the most celebrated figures in the NFL today. And as you just proved if someone like myself mentions his past crime today the first reaction from a Raven fan like yourself is as if there was a time limit that had long ago expired. And maybe that's the thing that blows my mind the most. That there can be a time limit on this type of thing. That there can be so little accountability demanded, from fans, that not only aren't these types of actions forever damning, but that in no time at all the player involved can actually be a sought out endorser of products, from Ray Lewis selling potato chips and video games to a douchebag like Chad Johnson selling an energy drink for your feet. So who amongst us wants to bet against Ben Roethlisberger selling razors in the very near future? End of rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 I didn't mean to imply that time has healed all wounds. I meant to say that after hearing a decade of those jokes they start to lose their vitriol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Hair, you seem to feel that the post crime obstruction is the same level of guilt, and I just can't see that. I can't speak to his level of guilt because I don't really know where his level of involvement begins or ends. All I know is every action he took immediately after the crime was taken to cover up his involvement....including destroying all of the clothes he was wearing due to them being covered with blood. He admitted to that, right? And he admitted to coaching the other members in the limo so that everyone told the same story to the police. And he later admitted under oath that initial story was a lie, right? Finally, he never actually named the killer despite being so closely involved that he was covered in blood evidence. And I know one more thing too. That even though you can get kicked out of the NFL for some pretty trivial things Ray Lewis wasn't kicked out.....even though the things Lewis actually confessed to, nevermind what he might have done, are far more serious than mutliple substance abuse violations. Look at it this way. A third offense for smoking weed or using steroids results in a lifetime ban. Yet I'm supposed to accept Ray Lewis being embraced back into the NFL family simply because he was only involved in a double-murder once? And more to the point, Lewis wasn't just accepted back. His previous status remained intact. He's still the public face of the Raven franchise and one of the most celebrated figures in the NFL today. And as you just proved if someone like myself mentions his past crime today the first reaction from a Raven fan like yourself is as if there was a time limit that had long ago expired. And maybe that's the thing that blows my mind the most. That there can be a time limit on this type of thing. That there can be so little accountability demanded, from fans, that not only aren't these types of actions forever damning, but that in no time at all the player involved can actually be a sought out endorser of products, from Ray Lewis selling potato chips and video games to a douchebag like Chad Johnson selling an energy drink for your feet. So who amongst us wants to bet against Ben Roethlisberger selling razors in the very near future? End of rant.I'm betting that Rothlisberger will get a commercial for toilet seats. Something like this: As you know I spend alot of my time during the offseason in restrooms. For me the (insert brand name) toilet seat is the most comfortable and allows for more range of motion while entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 I saw the Ravens traded for Josh Wilson the Seahawks CB. I think it was a 5th rd pick, but could be a 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 In light of some of the recent suspensions, etc, I wonder what Roger Goddell would have given Lewis at the time had he been commissioner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 It's a stupid policy. News about the Ravens IS news about our "beloved Bengals" at this point. This part of the site is basically ignored, and conversation dies. I'd just like to point out to membengal that this thread has lived a very long life in the NFL forum. Not ignored, and far from dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Josh Wilson ?? Ok, that should erase all the issues with their secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Josh Wilson ?? Ok, that should erase all the issues with their secondary. Baltimore's secondary can't stand up to either what Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, or even Cleveland will put up against it. Their fans talk as of taking the division will be a cake walk. I just don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Josh Wilson ?? Ok, that should erase all the issues with their secondary. He'll help for several reasons. First, he's a warm body. Second, he was a starter last season. So they're instantly getting an upgrade in snaps available and experience. If he can actually play it'll be gravy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Josh Wilson ?? Ok, that should erase all the issues with their secondary. Baltimore's secondary can't stand up to either what Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, or even Cleveland will put up against it. Their fans talk as of taking the division will be a cake walk. I just don't see that happening.Part of that is the affirmation of instant success from the media.The Ravens have added Boldin. That's it. That's all they've done to change their roster from last year. Actually, one of those TE's that they've added will help the passing game as well.The ways in which the Bengals beat them last year were not improved other than adding a #2 WR, which Boldin is.Face it. The Ravens are still good and the Bengals were a fluke last year. Add in the fact that Pittsburgh has slid downward....and wa-la...the Ravens are instant AFCN Champs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 La Canfora says that Ed Reed will miss the first 6 weeks on PUP./>http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a420d1/article/ravens-will-place-sixtime-pro-bowl-safety-reed-on-pup-list?module=HP_headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Ed Reed on PUP ??Wow, a day full of BWAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAA !!!!Hair, I have no doubt that Wilson will provide an upgrade. My point is, to what degree ??That and the fact with all the hype the Ravens get, I just find it amusing.Carson's success against them will continue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Josh Wilson ?? Ok, that should erase all the issues with their secondary. Baltimore's secondary can't stand up to either what Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, or even Cleveland will put up against it. Their fans talk as of taking the division will be a cake walk. I just don't see that happening.Part of that is the affirmation of instant success from the media.The Ravens have added Boldin. That's it. That's all they've done to change their roster from last year. Actually, one of those TE's that they've added will help the passing game as well.The ways in which the Bengals beat them last year were not improved other than adding a #2 WR, which Boldin is.Face it. The Ravens are still good and the Bengals were a fluke last year. Add in the fact that Pittsburgh has slid downward....and wa-la...the Ravens are instant AFCN Champs.Peter King didn't get the email. He has the Steelers beating the Packers in the Super Bowl in the SI NFL preview issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Peter King didn't get the email. He has the Steelers beating the Packers in the Super Bowl in the SI NFL preview issue.Hard as it may be to believe, I think Peter King is getting dumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Peter King didn't get the email. He has the Steelers beating the Packers in the Super Bowl in the SI NFL preview issue.Hard as it may be to believe, I think Peter King is getting dumber.I have no problem believing that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Peter King didn't get the email. He has the Steelers beating the Packers in the Super Bowl in the SI NFL preview issue.Hard as it may be to believe, I think Peter King is getting dumber.I have no problem believing that at all.He was great as Norm in "Cheers". It's been all downhill after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Peter King didn't get the email. He has the Steelers beating the Packers in the Super Bowl in the SI NFL preview issue.Hard as it may be to believe, I think Peter King is getting dumber.I have no problem believing that at all.He was great as Norm in "Cheers". It's been all downhill after that.Problem is he acts like Cliff now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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