Carson rehab/Kimotherapy/Career (Not)Over Freakout

[DontPushMe]

Do we take a Qb 2 or 3 round? D.J. Shockley?

Not in the 2nd, maybe 3rd - 5th though because of this and because we have no backup to Carson right now. Some guys id look into would be Brodie Croyle, Darrell Hackney, or Erik Meyer. In that order. Though there might be others to look at, i havent looked much into the draft yet.

[Gregory Gall]

Is he doing the therapy at the PBS facilities? I heard that they have the necessary equipment (underwater treadmills...)

[buck3y3d]

They just had Carson's surgeon on fox 19. He said the injury was worse than reported and devastating.

He said it could be career ending.

This is pretty disheartening.

[BengalszoneBilly]

They just had Carson's surgeon on fox 19. He said the injury was worse than reported and devastating.

He said it could be career ending.

This is pretty disheartening.

I heard just the opposite. Fox news, fair and balanced as usual.

[jamesbrooks21]

Yup, that is exactly what I heard on ESPN at halftime of the Pitt/Depaul basketball game.

They said that the injury was worse than originally thought and that it could be career-ending.

[BengalsOwn]

Is he doing the therapy at the PBS facilities? I heard that they have the necessary equipment (underwater treadmills...)

He's rehabbing in southern california where his offseason mansion is.

He's probably got his own professional therapist and fully equipped rehab center in his basement, after that enormous contract extension he just signed.

Man it's so depressing to think that he just signed that a week before his career was potentially ended.

:killself:

[Chopjaw]

Hey all, I do have some incite with this type of injury. My bro best friend had the same thing happen to his leg while out riding a dirtbike. After reading what the DR said about Palmers leg we were talking and he (the guy with the injury) said " Carson is about to go down a very long and dark road". I said ?? He told me that Carson can get back to playing but he will never be the same again. He will have a long road to rehab. Take it for what it's worth.

Me being a Steeler fan and my hatered towrd every rival in the North. I would laugh at this news. BUT when it's career threating, I'm not laughing. I truly want Palmers knee to get better. I want to see a great division rival for many years to come. Also I think that Carson can be (or could of been) one of the best. So I'm gonna pray for Carson (not you fans.. and let's hope he can get back.

Chop.

[andybren]

What exciting lives we lead...

What's worse is that I'm actually considering the drive down to OC to check out the rehab place.

And may I chime in with whoever said recently that ESPN is in desperate need of competition. That "career-threatening" headline about gave me a heart attack.

[palmermvp]

I have been a fan for a long time but after what happened to Carson, I can't take anymore. Carson's injury is so devistating for fans and the Bengals orginization, really this season went from one of the best in franchise history to the worst in the blink of an eye. You guys are being very blind of the fact that Carson is not going to be the same type QB he was before and chances are he will get hurt again veryeasily and thats if he is able to come back at all. I do think Carson will rehab and do what ever he can to get back but come on one of his ligaments was shredded and the knee was dislocated, don't care how hard you rehab on something like this it's unlikley will be the same QB. He will be ok just walking and running but playing in the NFL with a knee like he has now, not good. I know the responses I willget from this post but you just dont want to hear the truth. Can the Bengals get some kind of compensation for this injury? They just give the guy 100 millon dollars and now he has one leg. Benagls are cursed right? What else could all this unbelievable bad luck be?

[Stripes]

I don't think it's that we don't want to hear the truth, we just differ with you on what the truth really is.

With the things that have happened to this franchise over the years, we've come to expect bad fortune, so when this Palmer injury comes about, we are naturally pessimistic.

There is no reason to panic until we're further along in his rehab and are better able to know what to think.

[kayaker0678]

Channel 5 said that one doctor said that this doctor is a glory hound and is just looking to look like a miricle worker

[HoosierCat]

This just in from espn…

CARSON PALMER'S KNEE "POSESSED"

Sources in Texas say that doctors were prepared to amputate Carson Palmer's lower leg -- the injury was "a hopeless case, he might have died before we closed up," according to a source close to the surgeon -- before the injured knee suddenly leaped from Palmer's leg and began cursing God.

"We were stunned," says the source. "All of sudden this kneecap jumps up and starts screaming that the surgical team's mothers are all having a lesbian orgy in h*ll. This was completely unprecedented. I mean, I've seen this kind of behavior out of a wrist injury, but never a knee."

Fortunately, a local priest, on site for a poker game, was able to subdue the demonically possessed knee with a hastily blessed bottle of seltzer water. Surgeons were then able to complete the repairs and move Palmer to a recovery room.

Nursing sources in the ward, however, state that Palmer may not be free of the evil forces yet. "That leg of his is just kicking all over the place," said one nurse, who asked to remain unidentified. "I took in a bedpan and he kicked it through the roof -- and the roof is 12 stories up." Bengals officials, hearing the report, are examining the possibility of moving Palmer to kicker.

[andybren]

I have been a fan for a long time but after what happened to Carson, I can't take anymore. Carson's injury is so devistating for fans and the Bengals orginization, really this season went from one of the best in franchise history to the worst in the blink of an eye....

Worst ever? Were you in a coma during the 90's?

...You guys are being very blind of the fact that Carson is not going to be the same type QB he was before and chances are he will get hurt again veryeasily and thats if he is able to come back at all. I do think Carson will rehab and do what ever he can to get back but come on one of his ligaments was shredded and the knee was dislocated, don't care how hard you rehab on something like this it's unlikley will be the same QB. He will be ok just walking and running but playing in the NFL with a knee like he has now, not good. I know the responses I willget from this post but you just dont want to hear the truth. Can the Bengals get some kind of compensation for this injury? They just give the guy 100 millon dollars and now he has one leg. Benagls are cursed right? What else could all this unbelievable bad luck be?

There's a difference between knowing the truth and dealing with the truth. You have obviously chosen one way to deal with it, which is to give up. But seriously, if things are so bad, then why do you continue to participate in the conversation? No sarcasm intended, but if things are as bad as you say they are, why do you persist? Why don't you find a less painful way to pass time?

[palmermvp]

I have been a fan for a long time but after what happened to Carson, I can't take anymore. Carson's injury is so devistating for fans and the Bengals orginization, really this season went from one of the best in franchise history to the worst in the blink of an eye....

Worst ever? Were you in a coma during the 90's?

...You guys are being very blind of the fact that Carson is not going to be the same type QB he was before and chances are he will get hurt again veryeasily and thats if he is able to come back at all. I do think Carson will rehab and do what ever he can to get back but come on one of his ligaments was shredded and the knee was dislocated, don't care how hard you rehab on something like this it's unlikley will be the same QB. He will be ok just walking and running but playing in the NFL with a knee like he has now, not good. I know the responses I willget from this post but you just dont want to hear the truth. Can the Bengals get some kind of compensation for this injury? They just give the guy 100 millon dollars and now he has one leg. Benagls are cursed right? What else could all this unbelievable bad luck be?

There's a difference between knowing the truth and dealing with the truth. You have obviously chosen one way to deal with it, which is to give up. But seriously, if things are so bad, then why do you continue to participate in the conversation? No sarcasm intended, but if things are as bad as you say they are, why do you persist? Why don't you find a less painful way to pass time?

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday. This is not the truth? You don't think losing a great QB that comes along once in every so many years is not the worst thing this franchise has been through? How long have the bengals been looking for a franchise QB? Just face it.

[HoosierCat]

Now...the context comes into focus. From the latest reports (emphasis added)...

Paulos, an orthopedic surgeon who has worked with the U.S. Ski Team since 1983, replaced the anterior cruciate ligament, which runs through the middle of the knee and provides stability. He said the medial collateral ligament, which runs along the side of the knee, was damaged "real bad."

"On a scale of 1 to 3, it was a 4," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged _ shredded is the better term."

The kneecap dislocated when Palmer was hit, damaging tissue around it. There also was some cartilage damage, he said.

Paulos was able to repair the knee without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue, a good sign.

"The things that were torn could be repaired," he said. "They were not torn beyond repair. So he's got all his parts in there, which is good. We're optimistic, actually."

If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

So the whole freakout thing about it being a "4 on a scale of 3" referred to the MCL, not the ACL; the MCL is by far the less important of the injuries. My earlier readings about injuries like this said that they often wait a couple week before surgery because the MCL will heal naturally (vs. the ACL, which won't).

On top of that, no cadaver work was needed; he's got all his original parts, so to speak. Sounds like good work by the doc and plenty of work ahead for Carson. No surpprise there.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Any ways, only noteworthy news there is that the kneecap was indeed dislocated and the ligament damage was about as severe as it gets. Wonder why the opposite was reported just a day or so ago?

Well, I would say, because they hadn't gone in and looked yet. Multiple reports noted that it was difficult to tell the extent of the damage right off, because the swelling with this type of injury means you can't see a lot even with an MRI. Which is why they usually let it sit for a week or so, so they can get a better look. My bet is that they figured that it was nastier than the first scan indicated, which is why they went ahead and cut him open; appears that was a smart move.

Not to sound blase, but it is what it is. Even with the greater damage, the prognosis is positive, and that's probably the best we can hope for at this stage. FWIW, I think we will get a good idea of what the Bengals think about his knee in a bit more than two months, when draft day rolls around. It looks like a pretty good draft for QBs, and if you see them take one on day 1...well, then the freakout has some legs.

The initial report came out after the surgery, even on Bengals.com, saying it "wasn't as bad as expected," and was what I was referring to. But oh well, yes, the prognosis is the same and that's all that matters.

If Willis Mcgahee can come back from an even worse injury and run like that, then I'm not too worried.

People tear ACL's and MCL's all the time, he's not a RB, I was never worried about him being healthy/100 percent again, just a matter of when exactly now.

[denverbengal]

bengals.com

Late Thursday night after conducting a series of media interviews, Paulos, through the Bengals public relations department, released the following clarification:

“I believe and regret that media reports, based on interviews with me, have misinterpreted my view of Carson Palmer’s knee injury. Though the injury was serious, the essential facts remain his ACL and MCL have been repaired. I would consider this a typical MCL-ACL football injury. My comments attributed to me that the knee injury was, “devastating and potentially career ending,” were meant to describe such injuries in general, not Carson’s particular case.

“I was accurately quoted by the Associated Press that my bottom line is optimism regarding Carson’s prognosis. With a successful rehabilitation program, he has an excellent chance of being medically cleared for play at the beginning of the 2006 NFL regular season.”

Thus endeth the freakout.

[Stripes]

Nice post denverbengal. That quote comes from bengals.com itself. I'd trust that over about any other press craving media source. Hopefully this puts all the worrying to rest.

[BengalsMan3203]

Thank You. I can sleep a lil better tonight.

[HairOnFire]

Do we take a Qb 2 or 3 round? D.J. Shockley?

Not in the 2nd, maybe 3rd - 5th though because of this and because we have no backup to Carson right now. Some guys id look into would be Brodie Croyle, Darrell Hackney, or Erik Meyer. In that order.

I'd look for a 2nd day type who has the physical skills to develope. Of the players mentioned Meyer would be my choice.

[membengal]

Channel 5 said that one doctor said that this doctor is a glory hound and is just looking to look like a miricle worker

This occurred to me also.

I promise you if Jim Andrews had been available for this surgery, we wouldn't have this nonsense from him.

[oldschooler]

Surgeon's quotes on Palmer's knee cause stir

By Joe Kay

From staff and wire reports

Even after it's been repaired, Carson Palmer's left knee remains a source of controversy.

The surgeon who operated on the Bengals quarterback was quoted by the Associated Press Thursday as saying the injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap.

Dr. Lonnie Paulos added, however, that the surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.

Still, the "potentially career-ending" quote raised eyebrows and got the story posted on major Web sites such as ESPN.com and SI.com, Sports Illustrated's site. And late Thursday night, an additional statement by Paulos was released through the Bengals which read:

"I believe and regret that media reports, based on interviews with me, have misinterpreted my view of Carson Palmer's knee injury. Though the injury was serious, the essential facts remain that his ACL and MCL have been repaired. I would consider this a typical ACL/MCL football injury.

"Comments attributed to me that the knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending" were meant to describe such injuries in general, not Carson Palmer's particular case. I was accurately quoted by the Associated Press that my bottom line is optimism regarding Carson's prognosis. With a successful rehabilitation program, he has an excellent chance of being medically cleared for play at the beginning of the 2006 NFL regular season."

Palmer tore ligaments in his knee when he was hit by Pittsburgh's Kimo von Oelhoffen on his first pass during the Steelers' 31-17 playoff victory Sunday.

Paulos, an orthopedic surgeon who has worked with the U.S. Ski Team since 1983, replaced the ACL, which runs through the middle of the knee and provides stability. He told Cincinnati-based AP sports writer Joe Kay that the MCL, which runs along the side of the knee, was damaged "real bad."

"On a scale of 1 to 3, it was a 4," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term."

The kneecap dislocated when Palmer was hit, damaging tissue around it. There also was some cartilage damage, he said.

Paulos was able to repair the knee without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue.

"They were not torn beyond repair," he said. "So he's got all his parts in there, which is good. We're optimistic, actually."

If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...16/1022/RSS0302

[oldschooler]

How bad is Palmer's injury?

Surgeon calls it potential career-ender but says QB will be back

By Mark Curnutte

Enquirer staff writer

Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer's surgeon Thursday night said he repaired a "very typical football injury."

"He did great," Dr. Lonnie Paulos told The Enquirer. "He's already rehabbing. He's a great athlete. He's a stud. He'll be back in a few months."

But earlier Thursday, the Associated Press and the Bengals' Web site reported interviews with Paulos indicating that damage to Palmer's knee was extensive.

Paulos told the Associated Press that Palmer's injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending." He also told the AP that the injury involved numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap.

Paulos operated for two-plus hours Tuesday in Houston. He said Palmer, who was hit in the side of the left knee in the Bengals' playoff loss Sunday to the Steelers, already is in Los Angeles and has started his rehabilitation.

In at least one TV interview from Houston that aired on a Cincinnati television station Thursday night, Paulos said there was damage to "multiple ligaments and the kneecap."

"Exaggerated, sensationalized, out of context" and "false" were words and phrases Paulos used to describe the AP story. But Paulos did not dispute any details of that story.

"Nothing unusual," the doctor later told The Enquirer about the injury. "Again, it was a regular football injury. It was severe enough to require surgery."

Pressed for a number, Paulos said Palmer would be ready in six months, "just like the Bengals said."

Paulos said he repaired tears in the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments.

There was no meniscus tear, he said.

The Bengals released a statement late Thursday from Paulos:

"I believe and regret that media reports based on interviews with me have misinterpreted my view of Carson Palmer's knee injury. Though the injury was serious, the essential fact remains that his ACL and MCL have been repaired.

"I would consider this a typical ACL-MCL football injury. Comments attributed to me that the knee injury was 'devastating and potentially career ending' were meant to describe such injuries in general. I was accurately quoted by the Associated Press that my bottom line is optimism regarding Carson's prognosis. With a successful rehabilitation program, he has an excellent chance of being medically cleared for play at the start of the 2006 regular season."

Difficult recovery

Wednesday, the Bengals had characterized Palmer's surgery as successful and said the procedure was limited to the ACL and MCL. No other surgical procedures were indicated, the Bengals said in their official statement Wednesday.

But Paulos, in the Associated Press interview Thursday, said the damage was more severe and extensive.

"It's not just like it was a torn ACL," Paulos told the AP. "It's a magnitude more difficult to recover from and repair. It can and has ended careers, without a doubt."

Palmer, on the Bengals' first pass play, was hit in the side of the left knee by Pittsburgh defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen. Von Oelhoffen wrapped an arm around Palmer's left leg and drove his shoulder pad into the knee.

Paulos told the Associated Press that surgery went well and that Palmer could be back for the start of the season. The regular season will start in eight months, in early to middle September. The league has not released the schedule.

Paulos also had said doctors used grafts from other parts of Palmer's body and donated cadaver tissue to repair the knee.

"However, I feel very comfortable with Carson as an athlete and the heart that he's got," Paulos told the Associated Press. "In the end, that's the bottom line. I can see the look in his eye already. He's ready to get going."

Scale of 1 to 3? It's a 4

An orthopedic surgeon, Paulos has worked with the U.S. Ski Team since 1983. During Palmer's operation, Paulos repaired the ACL, which runs through the middle of the knee and promotes stability. He also told the AP that the MCL, which runs along the side of the knee, was damaged "real bad."

"On a scale of 1 to 3, it was a 4," Paulos told the Associated Press. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term."

The kneecap dislocated when Palmer was hit, damaging tissue around it. There also was some cartilage damage, Paulos told the AP. Paulos was able to repair the knee without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue.

"They were not torn beyond repair," he said in the Associated Press interview. "So he's got all his parts in there, which is good."

If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

Palmer was wearing a brace on the left knee, to protect the MCL that suffered a strain in Game 13 of the 2004 season at New England and forced Palmer to miss the final three games.

Paulos did say he expected Palmer to wear more extensive braces on both knees next season.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601130389/1066

[smith288]

Folks, all we can do is wait and see. "Media has papers to sell". Ill leave it at that.

[walzav29]

This is getting on my nerves. I don't even understand how this could happen. I can name 10 players off of the top of my head that have blown their knees out and have come back. Why is Carson a special freak case? The worst part is that they'll have doubts for a year. Getting a good QB is the hardest thing to get in the NFL (boy do we know that). How marvin deals with the QB situation will let me know how bad Carson's knee really is. If he's looking at premier free-agents or spends a 1st round pick on a QB, then Carson might be in trouble. Man, all I wanted to do this off-season was worry about defense. Not all of this crap.