The Official "Trade Rudi Johnson in the Offseason" Thread

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I believe Perry can run between the tackles... but he is not a Bettis/Rudi type of back who will break tackles, and hit you in the mouth. He is a "make you miss" sort of back... so it seems wise to have a short yardage back other than Perry.

Are we paying Rudi too much to be simply a short yardage back? Absolutely... but that is the price you pay to make sure you have a RB that will be productive. Perry hadn't proven himself yet, so this is the plight we find ourselves in.

I for one though don't buy the RB in place of the receiving TE argument though... because you can't run the play action play and toss it to a RB as successfully as to a TE. (see the Heath Miller TD against us).

Well, if Perry can run between the tackles, he hasn't shown it yet. At least on this team with this blocking scheme, he hasn't gotten it done. I think Rudi's more than a "short yardage back" - he wears defenses down all game long and lets you control the game. Can't put a price on that. He gets dependable yards, and that's what you need to complement a good passing game.

I agree with you on Perry not replacing a decent TE, and I think that's a big part of our red zone problems.

All that said, I think Perry has been a very good WR lining up in the backfield.

[walshfan]

Perry also wears defensive linemen down by having to run to the sidelines.. they hate that.. especially as the game wears on and they're tired...

Perry should have a Big game today....100 combined yards imo...

[NJ29]

Something needs to be done this offseason. It's not fair to Rudi, and it's not fair to Chris.

It is fair to both of them if they are sharing the load on a contender and using the strengths at times when they are needed. It is great for both of them. It's good for Rudi because he's not forced into situation were he can't help the team, like in passing situations. It's good for Chris because he's not forced into 4th and 1 situations were he's forced to power by D-Tackles. It's great for the players, and it's great for the team if we keep both backs.

[WhoDey42]

Something needs to be done this offseason. It's not fair to Rudi, and it's not fair to Chris.

It is fair to both of them if they are sharing the load on a contender and using the strengths at times when they are needed. It is great for both of them. It's good for Rudi because he's not forced into situation were he can't help the team, like in passing situations. It's good for Chris because he's not forced into 4th and 1 situations were he's forced to power by D-Tackles. It's great for the players, and it's great for the team if we keep both backs.

I agree, how is it unfair to them? They arent the first pair in NFL history to share the load. This is what every NFL team wants, a guy that can get to the outside and break a run and one that can run between the tackles and pick up the tough yardage. i think it would be a huge mistake if we were to trade Rudi.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I'm glad they didn't trade Rudi before today's game.

[semiotter]

This says it all...Thank You BJ.

[schweinhart]

I find it hard to see Perry as your #1 guy in the AFC North.....

The best team in the AFC north starts the smallest RB in the AFC north. Stop it with this we need a power rb for this division crap.

As for rudi, hes probly not going anywhere, at least for the next 2 years. Its something Ive learned to accept. I dont think he will be here after 06, but the way his contract is structured, we are stuck with him until then. Most of the signing bonus gets taken during the first couple years, for year 3 his salary jumps up from 1M a year to 3M per year. Thats when i expect him to be traded or cut.

Chris Perry did some good things today...when he should ie.. 3rd down back because that's all he is. Even had a nice blitz pick on Suggs late in the game, 1st down on a 3rd down pitch to set up a score, a fairly impressive run up the middle where he showed better patience and less spazmoid lunging, and an outstanding juke in open field on a catch for 1st down.

But if any of you think that Perry will ever in his life be able to run with the force and production that Rudi does or that Perry should be in the backfield to blitz pick up over JJ or Rudi, you're just caught up in the whole Trung Candidate flash-in-the-pan stuff.

Perry's got a great RB coach to work w/ and a nice 6 year contract to get stronger and do a whole lot more but that's at least 2 years away. This thread will have some relevance then. But until then....

Roooooddddddeeee

[DontPushMe]

Whats funny? Seriously, with what I said, what is funny?

As for rj today, he had some nice runs, but also his share of crappy runs. He also still thinks he is fast, and for hte 2nd straight week lost 10+ when trying to be more like Chris Perry. Still though, Im not sure how much bragging should be done after he averaged 3.3 ypc and had a fumble that probly should have gone to baltimore, to me it looked like they got on top of it, but someone on our team must have wrestled it away under the pile.

[schweinhart]

Naw man, it ain't funny. Chris Perry brings a valuable element to the Bengals offense. No question.

It's just that Rudi is...well....

Roooooddddddeeee

[buck3y3d]

wow, DontPushMe

You can't stop criticizing Rudi on either the huddles board or here. He had a good game today. That -11 yard run was because he had nowhere to go. It was blown up. In the heat of the game he's not going to think, man I should fall down here and save 6 yards.

[Benzoo]

Believe me, bashing Rudi was NOT what I had in mind for this thread.

I was just thinking out loud, and in now way did I mean for it to become a pro v. anti Rudi tyrade.

I just see having two quality backs as an opportunity for the Bengals to deal from a strength in an effort to shore up a few small holes in the near future.

I hope I'm not being lumped in with some sorta wacko anti Rudi crowd.

I don't bash, but sometimes I think outside the box.

[Stripes]

Believe me, bashing Rudi was NOT what I had in mind for this thread.

You clearly stated this in your first post. No need to explain yourself, folks just need to read a little more closely.

[HairOnFire]

Good intentions aside it's still a very stupid thread. Chris Perry has proven he's a very good WR lining up in the backfield, but he hasn't proved much at all as a true RB. Am I the only one who thinks that might be important? As for Rudi, if you can't see his true value by now you're just a clueless skin bag. Push off.

Stupid thread.

[Benzoo]

Good intentions aside it's still a very stupid thread. Chris Perry has proven he's a very good WR lining up in the backfield, but he hasn't proved much at all as a true RB. Am I the only one who thinks that might be important? As for Rudi, if you can't see his true value by now you're just a clueless skin bag. Push off.

Stupid thread.

I guess there's no place for kicking around ideas around here unless they mesh exactly with your train of thought at all times.

Shoulda thought about that before I posted, oh holy one.

I should know by now that reasonable, friendly discourse isn't welcome here, let alone objective ideas, whacky or not.

I should have also been cogniscent of the fact that folks will pick out one thing in a post in which they find fault, and then bang away at me mercilessly, even though they weren't personally provoked.

I should have known that I would be called "Skin bag" and "stupid", just for coming up with the mere idea of a player being traded.

I should have known that, even though I said nothing to denegrate the skill set of a certain player that I would be treated as such.

Now I know why I stayed away for so long after I was one of this board's first members.

Yeah...I'm the stupid one. You're right.

Fool me once.....

[Jet23]

Good intentions aside it's still a very stupid thread. Chris Perry has proven he's a very good WR lining up in the backfield, but he hasn't proved much at all as a true RB. Am I the only one who thinks that might be important? As for Rudi, if you can't see his true value by now you're just a clueless skin bag. Push off.

Stupid thread.

I guess there's no place for kicking around ideas around here unless they mesh exactly with your train of thought at all times.

Shoulda thought about that before I posted, oh holy one.

I should know by now that reasonable, friendly discourse isn't welcome here, let alone objective ideas, whacky or not.

I should have also been cogniscent of the fact that folks will pick out one thing in a post in which they find fault, and then bang away at me mercilessly, even though they weren't personally provoked.

I should have known that I would be called "Skin bag" and "stupid", just for coming up with the mere idea of a player being traded.

I should have known that, even though I said nothing to denegrate the skill set of a certain player that I would be treated as such.

Now I know why I stayed away for so long after I was one of this board's first members.

Yeah...I'm the stupid one. You're right.

Fool me once.....

Dude, you are 100% correct. I guess some people feel more important when they personally attack members that they don't agree with. That is on them. Don't stop coming here because of a couple guys that like to think they are smarter than everyone else.

[AGrizzlyBaer]

i just think you couldnt trade him if you wanted to because of all the rb's coming into FA next year

[Benzoo]

i just think you couldnt trade him if you wanted to because of all the rb's coming into FA next year

You're probably right.

What I also failed to take into consideration is the fact that the CBA is up in the next year, and teams could very well be operating capless, so two backs is a luxury the Bengals actually can enjoy.

I think they'll be in better shape than alot of teams because most of the big time players are gonna be under contract if that happens, at least from what I understand.

I can admit when I'm wrong, or misguided.

It's all part of being a grownup.

[PalmerforPresident]

its easy to say now, but sunday is the perfect example of why its valuable that we have both rudi and perry. rudi grinded out alot of yds and perry got 2 huge first downs with his speed and elusiveness.

[Jet23]

its easy to say now, but sunday is the perfect example of why its valuable that we have both rudi and perry. rudi grinded out alot of yds and perry got 2 huge first downs with his speed and elusiveness.

I'm a big Perry guy, but I'd love to keep them both as long as we possibly can. Perry does need to work on blitz pick-up big time though...

[Benzoo]

its easy to say now, but sunday is the perfect example of why its valuable that we have both rudi and perry. rudi grinded out alot of yds and perry got 2 huge first downs with his speed and elusiveness.

I'm a big Perry guy, but I'd love to keep them both as long as we possibly can. Perry does need to work on blitz pick-up big time though...

Alot of young running backs have that problem.

Most of them are willing to block (I say, most, not all), but actually recognizing who to block, and where they're gonna shoot in is the biggest problem. An ounce of hesitation gets your quarterback creamed.

[HairOnFire]

Good intentions aside it's still a very stupid thread. Chris Perry has proven he's a very good WR lining up in the backfield, but he hasn't proved much at all as a true RB. Am I the only one who thinks that might be important? As for Rudi, if you can't see his true value by now you're just a clueless skin bag. Push off.

Stupid thread.

I guess there's no place for kicking around ideas around here unless they mesh exactly with your train of thought at all times.

Shoulda thought about that before I posted, oh holy one.

I should know by now that reasonable, friendly discourse isn't welcome here, let alone objective ideas, whacky or not.

I should have also been cogniscent of the fact that folks will pick out one thing in a post in which they find fault, and then bang away at me mercilessly, even though they weren't personally provoked.

I should have known that I would be called "Skin bag" and "stupid", just for coming up with the mere idea of a player being traded.

I should have known that, even though I said nothing to denegrate the skill set of a certain player that I would be treated as such.

Now I know why I stayed away for so long after I was one of this board's first members.

Yeah...I'm the stupid one. You're right.

Fool me once.....

Whatever. It's your choice whether you stay or leave.

Sadly, your thread is just the latest example of a Bengal fan slighting Rudi Johnson and I've grown incredibly tired of reading them. If my responses show a certain lack of respect then we'll both have to deal with that. But before you leave in a huff let me remind you that we just witnesses yet another game where a major factor in the Bengals success was the physical play offered by Rudi Johnson. As for the incredibly talented Chris Perry, he was almost a total non-factor again. So when are you guys going to get it? It's all about wins...not stats, and Rudi helps this team win.

Everything else is crap.

Yeah, I know...you didn't really ding Rudi. You even pimped him a little. You just wanted to get rid of him so we can feature more flash in our pan. Because flash is good, right? After all, who doesn't like shiny things? Regardless, others have now pointed out why a trade is unrealistic, unwise, and undesired. So regardless of how you feel about my replies it's been proven to be a stupid thread, right?

Props.

[Benzoo]

Oh...I see what this is.

You don't understand my original line of thinking, so you lump me in with some group that I am vastly unfamiliar with.

Yeah, I only want to see flash.

You got me pegged.

I make a point about trading from a position of strength to help other areas of the team, and you twist it around to mean that I'm for some strange reason against Rudi Johnson, and I just want to see Chris Perry anointed starter because I think he's "flashy".

Nice strawman.

Stats are crap, and I'm stupid.

I guess I should have just responded by calling you a big poopy faced turd.

You crack me up, and your posting style resembles your avatar.

[HairOnFire]

Why are you whining? All you did was start a thread that I thought was stupid. Well you can handle that, right?

Sheesh, you even admitted that you started the thread out of ignorance, and on that point you'll get no argument from me. So can't we stop sniping and build on that? Do you want me to explain the salary cap to you like others have? Or should I explain the concept of depth for you? Or maybe you want to make the point again about how unfair it is for both players to be on the same team. I'll try not to laugh.

Trust me, your point about trading from a position of strength isn't hard to understand. It's just completely stupid when all of the relevant factors are known. And here's what makes this moment special. You know those factors now, right? So how great is it that we all got to watch you learn something right infront of our eyes. I have to admit I found it inspiring even though I was far too bored to try bring you up to speed. Instead, I told a silly but harmless story about feeding goldfish while others were holding your hand and explaining the basics to you.

Which reminds me, didn't you threaten to pull a classic p***y act and leave because so many of the people here are mean? Seems to me that most people were very tolerant of your ignorance. Perhaps you owe them an apology.

Last, why the new tough guy act featuring you calling me a poopy face while making fun of my fluffy avatar? Does the new act make your original point less stupid? I don't think so.

You started a stupid thread.

[Benzoo]

Actually, I was calling you a troll.

[Ox]

Hair are you being mean again?

Benzoo that is just his style bro, don't take it personally. I can't count the number of times I've cussed at the moon and slapped my wife b/c he's pissed me off. You just learn to love the lil guy.