princeton Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I don't mind reaches at the end because coaches have to go with best-fits. If one out of 3 work out, that's decent. The present administration has previously gotten a decent hit on the obscure Langston Moore, so I'll give 'em the benefit for now.There's too many LBers/WRs, but Pollack can play everywhere and Smith can slide inside to give some interesting looks. I guess that we're no longer high on Caleb Miller (n.b: some of those intangibles mentioned for Pollack also fell on Miller) or Kelly Washington (n.b., comments on Henry sound a LOT like comments on Washington from two years ago). The center intrigues because like Steinbach, he can fly. The trapping will be fun to watch. Larry Moore is a marshmallow, so I hope to see Braham for one more year.Personally, I wanted to gamble on a couple of fat defenders, would have ignored Thurman and bumped Simmons to the middle and Johnson to the weak side. My list, as the draft unfolded, was slightly more defensive:1. Pollack2. McFadden, CB, who I think went to Pittsburgh. Big enough and tackles enough that I'd swing him to the vacant safety3. Henry, fine. But remember KWashington.4. Hawthorne, DT5. Anthony Bryant, DT (went to TB)6. BWilkerson, C7. MMunoz, OT. finally: No TE is a real problem. I would have been tempted to trade the first pick for a couple of twos in hopes of gambling on Heath Miller's slipping. In hindsight, it's good that the Bengals didn't. But the Bengals will still have trouble in the red zone unless one of the Chris's (Perry or Henry) is the Answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Great day 1 and solid day 2: B+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I think you are a fool if you think the WHOLE purpose of the draft is to find players who can ocme in and contribute right away. That's just plain myopic. For the dumbass in you, that's nearsighted! The Great Big Idiot strikes again. You wanna talk dumbass...You got to be the biggest IGMO on this board. And for the dumbass in you, that's Ignorant Mother f*cker Great Big Igmo Wow, I'm impressed. You sure can support your opinion.... Oh wait, you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 1. Pollack2. McFadden, CB, who I think went to Pittsburgh. Big enough and tackles enough that I'd swing him to the vacant safety3. Henry, fine. But remember KWashington.4. Hawthorne, DT5. Anthony Bryant, DT (went to TB)6. BWilkerson, C7. MMunoz, OT. I love the Thurman pick. Why move an outside linebacker inside when you can draft the best inside backer in the draft in the second round?Hawthorne in round 4? Pardon me, but are you a fellow pothead? The dude fell because, like Ricky Williams, he has a drug problem and can't be depended on.Wilkerson? Can you say gimp? If we wanted Wilkerson we could sign him as a free agent. We got a much better center prospect in Gooey.Michael Munoz? If NOONE has signed him as a free agent, there must be something we don't know. And to draft him in the 7th when we can pick him as a free agent? Foolish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Wilkerson? Can you say gimp? If we wanted Wilkerson we could sign him as a free agent. We got a much better center prospect in Gooey. In fact, we did sign him, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Wilkerson? Can you say gimp? If we wanted Wilkerson we could sign him as a free agent. We got a much better center prospect in Gooey.In fact, we did sign him, right? Yes.But I don't think the Bengals staff sees him as a better C prospect at this point than the CMU guy they took in the 4th.If he can ever get healthy, maybe G someday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I don't think the Bengals staff sees [Wilkerson] as a better C prospect at this point than the CMU guy they took in the 4th.I'm done with this guy too, he's on the list with DontPushMe and WhurChad. Incapable of coherent thought.To everyone else: Ben Wilkerson would have been the top pick at Center, top 3 at worst, had he been healthy. In good health, he starts for us by the end of this season. The only question remaining, and one I am quite interested in, is what exactly is his health status. Can he play at all in 2005. We'll see.Nonetheless, a FANTASTIC signing for Cincinnati at a position of GREAT need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I don't think the Bengals staff sees [Wilkerson] as a better C prospect at this point than the CMU guy they took in the 4th.I'm done with this guy too, he's on the list with DontPushMe and WhurChad. Incapable of coherent thought. Wow. Nice to see I have moved up to such august company.Does this mean you have moved off of the ledge and are no longer contemplating suicide?Or, are you saying that the Bengals coaches actually value the guy they just signed as an injured undrafted rookie FA AHEAD of the guy they spent a 4th round pick on?What position do you have on the Bengals staff anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 TTJ and membengal...it really doesn't matter does it?The fact remains that we now have two solid prospects at the position. The coaches can keep one at center and move the other to guard. I'll leave that decision to the coaching staff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I don't think the Bengals staff sees [Wilkerson] as a better C prospect at this point than the CMU guy they took in the 4th.I'm done with this guy too, he's on the list with DontPushMe and WhurChad. Incapable of coherent thought.To everyone else: Ben Wilkerson would have been the top pick at Center, top 3 at worst, had he been healthy. In good health, he starts for us by the end of this season. The only question remaining, and one I am quite interested in, is what exactly is his health status. Can he play at all in 2005. We'll see.Nonetheless, a FANTASTIC signing for Cincinnati at a position of GREAT need. I absolutely agree. He would have been the first center taken if he had been healthy. We would have taken him instead of Gooey if he hadn't been questionable because of his injury. IF he can get healthy, he might be a better signing than Gooey.That being said. I hope to hell he recovers well and turns out to be the gem of this offseason for our squad. I'd love to see him starting by the end of the season, 100% healthy and living up to his pre-injury potential.But, Gooey can play guard or center, and is a hell of a pulling athlete.Worst case scenario in my book is Wilkerson rehabs and ends up on the practice squad for a year and is a very talented backup for our squad in a year or two when we have our entire line hitting free agency. (Or Braham dies of old age). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Wilkerson? Can you say gimp? If we wanted Wilkerson we could sign him as a free agent. We got a much better center prospect in Gooey.In fact, we did sign him, right? We certainly did, thank you very much, as a wounded rookie free agent for less than he would make as a draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 TTJ and membengal...it really doesn't matter does it?The fact remains that we now have two solid prospects at the position. The coaches can keep one at center and move the other to guard. I'll leave that decision to the coaching staff...I happen to agree with you.I guess I have gotten tired of TJ's "The sky is falling" routine from the last few days.There is nothing quite as tiresome as sifting through some Chicken Little-gets-his-panties-in-a-bunch non-stop posts banging the Bengals over stuff that we cannot possibly begin to understand.It is clear the coaching staff loves the 4th rounder, or they wouldn't have taken him there. It is clear they have big plans from him from Alexander's comments that he might actually play some this year.It is clear that Wilkerson has MAJOR injury issues, or he would not be an undrafted FA.Wilkerson is a nice flier. I am glad they signed him. But I don't understand TJ's need to try and continue to somehow prove that Wilkerson is better than Ghou-whatever. It's clear the Bengals coaches don't think so.But, for having that opinion, TJ sees fit to drop me to DPM's level. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Wilkerson? Can you say gimp? If we wanted Wilkerson we could sign him as a free agent. We got a much better center prospect in Gooey.In fact, we did sign him, right? We certainly did, thank you very much, as a wounded rookie free agent for less than he would make as a draft pick. my understanding is that some undrafted free agents sign for better bonuses than do late rounders. Colts, for instance, often pay better for free agents than other teams doit'd be interesting to know if the Bengals paid more than the usual going rate for Wilkerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Man some of you guys need to just calm down. The Bengals had a great draft. Just because they didn't take the guy you got a stiffy for doesn't mean it was a bad pick. Players take time to develop even the best ones. I just can't get over how some you want to flush the whole draft because you didn't like the day 2 picks! You don't tend to draft starters in the lower rounds, hell those are the guys that are gonna have a hard time making the team to begin with. This team is a bit deeper than in years past when getting drafted meant staying on the team. Just like everybody else, not all of our draft picks will make this team....You want to rag on the team and have your day ruined by that, well feel free too. But you must take yourself a little too serious. Much applause for this post, by the way.Dead on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I disagree wholeheartedly here.This is the whole purpose of the draft; to find players that can come in and contribute right away, or atleast be seen as fill in for a need in the future. - I think you are a fool if you think the WHOLE purpose of the draft is to find players who can ocme in and contribute right away. That's just plain myopic. For the dumbass in you, that's nearsighted! Here you go Great Big IgmoMy opinion of you has less to do with the fact that you are an idiot when it comes to anything dealing with football or the Bengals than it does with the fact that you are a rude little pissant.If you notice the post you quoted when you so brilliantly resoted to "myopic", you might have read the read of the post before the "dumbass" in you decided to try you feeble attempt to belittle somebody (once again) over something you know nothing about or you just read wrong, you dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I think you are a fool if you think the WHOLE purpose of the draft is to find players who can ocme in and contribute right away. That's just plain myopic. For the dumbass in you, that's nearsighted! The Great Big Idiot strikes again. You wanna talk dumbass...You got to be the biggest IGMO on this board. And for the dumbass in you, that's Ignorant Mother f*cker Great Big Igmo Wow, I'm impressed. You sure can support your opinion.... Oh wait, you can't. Oh wait...I can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Looks like this thread is headed for the smack forum soon...funny how that always seems to happen to so many threads just after the draft every year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Looks like this thread is headed for the smack forum soon.I say let's close this one and let 'em start their own thread there and continue the name callin' and griping back and forth. There are a lot of good posts worth reading, with a variety of different points of view...that is for those who can handle hearing such things!Most of this jabber is a moot point until training camp is up and running a while anyway! Nobody here really knows for sure who's gonna make it and who ain't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Bumping this one up too in light of some actual game data to sift through.Four of the seven draft choices have played key roles in a 4-0 start (Thurman, Henry, Pollack and T. Perry).A fifth member of the draft class may get called on this week in Ghuiciac. One quarter into the season, very VERY damn solid draft. An "A" thusfar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Bumping this one up too in light of some actual game data to sift through.Four of the seven draft choices have played key roles in a 4-0 start (Thurman, Henry, Pollack and T. Perry).A fifth member of the draft class may get called on this week in Ghuiciac. One quarter into the season, very VERY damn solid draft. An "A" thusfar. Thusfar, this looks to be Marvin's best draft yet. Three first rounders in one draft day, as well as a starting returner in the sixth round, and solid depth that all made the team (except and injured Kieft) and will be put to use very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 One quarter into the season...I will stick with what I concluded with back then...Ghiaciuc may be a pro bowl center. Pollack might be the next Reinard Wilson. Odell could be the next Ray Lewis. Henry could be the next Carl Pickens. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 One quarter into the season...I will stick with what I concluded with back then...Ghiaciuc may be a pro bowl center. Pollack might be the next Reinard Wilson. Odell could be the next Ray Lewis. Henry could be the next Carl Pickens. We'll see.Yes, it's plenty early, but far later than it was back then. Hence my "thusfar" and "one quarter of the season" qualifiers. That noted, there is plenty more good than bad so far. In fact, a ton more good than bad so far. Really, the best thing so far (with heavy apologies to my new favorite defensive player Odell) may be the emergence of Chris Henry. Teams are starting to pay heavy prices for doubling CJ. With TJ operating with impunity across the middle and Henry striking deep on the other side, this team is awfully hard to completely stop at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Yes, it's plenty early, but far later than it was back then. Hence my "thusfar" and "one quarter of the season" qualifiersOh, I wasn't knocking you, just keeping it real. I'll be particularly interested to see how Odell does as the season goes on; rooks have a tendency to wear down because they aren't used to the longer pro season.That noted, there is plenty more good than bad so far. In fact, a ton more good than bad so far. Really, the best thing so far (with heavy apologies to my new favorite defensive player Odell) may be the emergence of Chris Henry. Teams are starting to pay heavy prices for doubling CJ. With TJ operating with impunity across the middle and Henry striking deep on the other side, this team is awfully hard to completely stop at this point.I think the success of the passing game has far more to do with the "continued emergence" of TJ than with Henry. There were lots of doubts about whether he was for real or not, and he has done a fine job of shutting the doubters up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 No doubt TJ has been solid. I cannot believe anyone was still doubting him after last year, but, yes, any lingering doubt has been beaten down now.Really, their three wides set takes a back seat to very few in football at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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