Tab Perry

[TJJackson]

As long as we can line up our wideouts to stop the run, we're golden.

The big fat immobile OT/OG might be good in that role as well, if only to occupy space.

[Bobcat Bengal]

You guys kill me.....

I'll save my comments, cuz I might spit some venom.

[KYBENGALFAN]

MAYBE WE'RE GONNA MODEL OURSELVES AFTER THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS.. You know, all offense, little defense. If we can outscore our opponents -- like last year's Browns game at PBS -- then all your concerns about defense are senseless. YA THINK ???

[Bobcat Bengal]

check out the frontpage of nfl.com, our boy Tab Perry is on it.

well f**k, I mean, he's gonna get cut anyway right?

He's a waste of a pick.

OUR DRAFT IS RUINT.

[BengalszoneBilly]

MAYBE WE'RE GONNA MODEL OURSELVES AFTER THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS.. You know, all offense, little defense. If we can outscore our opponents -- like last year's Browns game at PBS -- then all your concerns about defense are senseless. YA THINK ???

I think NOT! The Colt's will NEVER get to the Super Bowl, much less win one with their current All Offense/No Defense team!

[PICKENS 81]

Thank you captain obvious.

[membengal]

AS it stands right now, we have not done enough to improve our defense.

Yup yup yup.

I do think Pollack and Thurman (and Robinson) will help, but c'mon, we were 28th out of 32 vs. the run last year. Throwing a couple rooks and an aging, second-tier DT at the problem isn't enough, IMHO.

But WTF, at least we won't lack for wideouts.

Right. Because there were SO MANY difference makers in round 6...

Come on joisey...they stufffed new blood into the front seven with their first two picks. I would call that paying attention to their run D.

[membengal]

This was from ML's wrap-up comments after the 7th round pick:

Q: You now have about nine wide receivers:

“We’ll we keep six, so that means competition, and that’s a good thing. I think (UCLA WR) Tab Perry was by far the best football player available when we made that pick. He has the ability to help in the return game and fly downfield to cover kicks. He and Chris have chances right away to come in and unseat guys that have been doing those things for us.

If you don’t get better, you’re going backwards. I really feel like we helped ourselves. I sat in with the offensive coaches the other day while they were looking at some of the offensive prospects in the draft, and I sat with them and watched tape on Tab. He does some very impressive things.

He’s a physical kid, he’s played in an offense that throws the football, he’s worked inside and outside, and he’s blocked, so I’m excited about what he brings to the table. Ironically he was a player our coaches felt really good about when they started watching tape. I’m excited about him.”

[HoosierCat]

Right. Because there were SO MANY difference makers in round 6...

Come on joisey...they stufffed new blood into the front seven with their first two picks. I would call that paying attention to their run D.

Go back and read chrish's post. He -- and I -- haven't been talking about just the draft. Take a step back and look at the offseason. Virtually all our FA dollars have been spent on the offense, as now have the majority of our draft picks. Yet it was our defense, and specifically our run D, that blew chunks last year.

Someone mentioned the Indy model? Sorry, but for me that hits close to home. Now, maybe we will have better luck with out defensive draft picks than they have so far...we'll see.

As for Pollack and Odell, Thurman certainly ought to help the vs. run D. But Landon played pretty well there last year; I remain unconvinced that that was the source of out run defense problems. Pollack's job will be to sic the QB. Here's hoping he can do it as well from the OLB spot as he could from DE. :player:

[schweinhart]

Q: You now have about nine wide receivers:

“We’ll we keep six, so that means competition, and that’s a good thing. I think (UCLA WR) Tab Perry was by far the best football player available when we made that pick. He has the ability to help in the return game and fly downfield to cover kicks. He and Chris have chances right away to come in and unseat guys that have been doing those things for us.

That sounds clear to me -- Cliff Russell and Kevin Walter go.

So the 6 WR would be:

Chad

Housh

P-Dub

K-Dub

Tab

Henry

[chrishcovga]

You guys are hilarious, Tab Perry moved to Strong Safety..??

* Talk about a REACHHHHHH ! Ok, so let me get this straight, we passed on guys that played and started for major college programs for 3 or more seasons apiece, and decided that our best chance to improve the Strong safety position was to draft a slow " could be " possession receiver to make the transition to Strong Safety..??

Is that really what you guys are telling me...? Say it ain't so JOE !!

[schweinhart]

As for Pollack and Odell, Thurman certainly ought to help the vs. run D. But Landon played pretty well there last year; I remain unconvinced that that was the source of out run defense problems.

ML was vocal about MLB being Landon's job to lose when all the Sharper talk was going on. The run D problems definitely ain't on Landon. The problem has been w/ DTs, the LDE, the SSLB, and the safeties minus Madieu.

Langston Moore was better than Tony Williams but not good enough to be considered a fix. Bryan Robinson is not worse than Moore but was not a Top 5 free agent in a meager DT UFA group either. The effect there is to feel shortchanged but at least something was done.

Draftwise at DT, it was even more meager than the UFA group. Last year was the year to draft DTs and all that washed up was Askew, who could almost singlehandedly quell discontent w/ the effort to address front 7 problems if he caqn just get out on the GD field and do something good.

At LDE, Jumpy Jr. was a ringer IMO who has already replaced Big Duane and Pollack will be there if needed.

SSLB, got addressed w/ Pollack maybe but still is more or less the same as last year even if Hardy gets cut and Larry Stevens goes in. Of course, Shaper would have solved the SSLB problem and the Bengals effed that one up IMO.

Safety is the same. No better vs. run and no worse. Kim Herring has something to prove and it looks like ML is gonna let him.

Overall it's status quo more or less for blowing more chunks that will be smaller than the ones blown last year but the additions of Robinson, Pollack, and Thurman can't make the defense any worse.

[HairOnFire]

That sounds clear to me -- Cliff Russell and Kevin Walter go.

So the 6 WR would be:

Chad

Housh

P-Dub

K-Dub

Tab

Henry

Yup, that's exactly the way it looks to me. Like I said in another thread, I think all of this talk about sending Washington a message is way off base. The Bengals just added two players who have big play potential. Henry could develope into a starter in time and Tab Perry represents a role player who can really contribute. In my opinion our wideouts who earned roster spots based almost entirely on their special team skills are about to get bloodied.

[HairOnFire]

At LDE, Jumpy Jr. was a ringer IMO who has already replaced Big Duane and Pollack will be there if needed.

If I was going to complain about this draft it would be due to the lack of help at LDE,not because they didn't draft a SS or TE. The funny thing though is I've never been convinced that Marvin wants to replace Clemons with the type of guy I'd like. In fact, everything he's done implies he's happy plugging in a pass rusher in the mold of Clemons or Geathers rather than a run stuffin' big fella.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm finally starting to catch on. My new LDE is probably already here, right?

[membengal]

Perry got a big thumbs up from Pete Prisco in his draft anaylsis, btw.

[membengal]

Right. Because there were SO MANY difference makers in round 6...

Come on joisey...they stufffed new blood into the front seven with their first two picks. I would call that paying attention to their run D.

Go back and read chrish's post. He -- and I -- haven't been talking about just the draft. Take a step back and look at the offseason. Virtually all our FA dollars have been spent on the offense, as now have the majority of our draft picks. Yet it was our defense, and specifically our run D, that blew chunks last year.

Someone mentioned the Indy model? Sorry, but for me that hits close to home. Now, maybe we will have better luck with out defensive draft picks than they have so far...we'll see.

As for Pollack and Odell, Thurman certainly ought to help the vs. run D. But Landon played pretty well there last year; I remain unconvinced that that was the source of out run defense problems. Pollack's job will be to sic the QB. Here's hoping he can do it as well from the OLB spot as he could from DE. :player:

Spare me the lecture Joisey.

I read all the posts.

I happen to trust ML and staff. You don't. It's that simple. You are the king of the second-guessers. It's what you do best.

ML says the D. Line wasn't the problem in clamping down on the run last year. That must mean that ML thinks the problem was at LB. So, what did the Bengals do? They attacked the draft at LB.

You happen to disagree. You blame the line. So that colors every single comment you make. Fine, but that's about the only way to read you as you whine your way through the off-season. Your agenda of whining started with the whole "bengals off-season grade starts at an F" weirdness and continued with the whole "they have a 0% chance to sign Sharper" weirdness.

It's OK to let go of the past. It's fun on this side.

They added one DT to move John Thornton to his more natural side of the line. They drafted what look to be two ferocious football players who, whatever else they can do, are apparently tackling machines at LB.

Will that be enough? I don't know. But neither do you. I happen to think that a Bengals D that will start Pollack in the place of Kevin Hardy will be markedly better from the get go next year, but we will have to wait and see.

But I am guessing, from what I have seen of ML's personality the last few years, that he thinks he is giving Bresnahan the pieces to make the D better.

That's all I am saying. The constant bitching because the Bengals didn't pursue and overpay an aged Pat Williams gets old.

[skyline]

Has anyone read the chat transcript with Perry on bengals.com? I like the guy...I think he's going to fit in very well.

[HoosierCat]

You happen to disagree. You blame the line. So that colors every single comment you make. Fine, but that's about the only way to read you as you whine your way through the off-season. Your agenda of whining started with the whole "bengals off-season grade starts at an F" weirdness and continued with the whole "they have a 0% chance to sign Sharper" weirdness.

No, oh Master of Condecension, I am responsible for none of the weirdness you attribute to me. You may be reading posts but you aren't reading mine.

Where did I say the d-line was solely responsible for the poor run D last year? Show me. It was one of several places, including OLB and SS, that needed to be addressed. But on that front, I don't consider Bryan Robinson, an aging, second-tier tackle, to be enough of a bump up.

Hey, did we sign Sharper? Nope (and in hindsight, little surprise we look to fill the same slot with out first-round pick, eh?). And yeah, as long as the bengals won't play the cash-over-cap game, our chances to sign top-tier FAs for whom there's competition will remain at 0%, because by that refusal we are guaranteed not to have the best offer on the table. And bottom line, FAs follow the money.

"The constant bitching because the Bengals didn't pursue and overpay an aged Pat Williams gets old." Yeah? Well, so does the totally speculative happy talk that a couple of rooks and an old DT are going to come in and magically poof our defense into the top 10.

[membengal]

No, that doesn't automatically do it either, but I do view it as part of the process of their improvement.

They finished last year 22nd in overall D. An improvement, but not enough of one, as seen from ML's oh-so-righteous whacking of Leslie Frazier. But, and here is my guess, I am guessing that ML has a good handle on where they were short defenisively and where they needed to improve this off-season, and I am guessing they can make the top 15 defenses off of what they have done.

Top 5? No, not yet. 15th? Yes, I think they can.

And, the 15th D in combo with an offense hopefully jumping from 19th to top 10 should get them to where we need them to be. Which is the playoffs.

Oh, and, yes, little surprise they didn't go the extra mile for Sharper, since they clearly held Pollack in such high esteem...

[HoosierCat]

Oh, and, yes, little surprise they didn't go the extra mile for Sharper, since they clearly held Pollack in such high esteem...

Actually, per Curnette, Pollack was the fallback; they wanted Thomas Davis. Had they gotten Sharper, I wouldn't have been surprised to see them at least try to trade up to grab Davis. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Oh, and, yes, little surprise they didn't go the extra mile for Sharper, since they clearly held Pollack in such high esteem...

Actually, per Curnette, Pollack was the fallback; they wanted Thomas Davis. Had they gotten Sharper, I wouldn't have been surprised to see them at least try to trade up to grab Davis. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Thomas Davis would have been a great pick. Pollack is our great pick. And we didn't have to trade up to get him and lose someone else.

[HairOnFire]

Hey, did we sign Sharper? Nope (and in hindsight, little surprise we look to fill the same slot with out first-round pick, eh?). And yeah, as long as the bengals won't play the cash-over-cap game, our chances to sign top-tier FAs for whom there's competition will remain at 0%, because by that refusal we are guaranteed not to have the best offer on the table. And bottom line, FAs follow the money.

So what? Lewis stated repeatedly that the offer made to Sharper had to make sense for the Bengals. And as I argued over and over again, at some point the offers for Sharper stopped making sense for THIS team....precisely because the draft gave them other options.

Granted, passing on Sharper for a draft pick assumes some risk since you never know if your target is going to be available, but it's just as true that there were going to be more than one target to aim for.

Speaking only for myself I thought the Bengals draft choices brought into sharp focus what direction they want to go in as well as further explain their actions in the Sharper chase. And yeah, in hindsight I'm not the least bit unhappy with how things played out.

[HoosierCat]

[ Speaking only for myself I thought the Bengals draft choices brought into sharp focus what direction they want to go in as well as further explain their actions in the Sharper chase. And yeah, in hindsight I'm not the least bit unhappy with how things played out.

I'm not unhappy either. But I think with Sharper in the fold they would have ended up with a stronger D on the field this year, even with the draft staying as is.

[BENGAL]

Q: You now have about nine wide receivers:

“We’ll we keep six, so that means competition, and that’s a good thing. I think (UCLA WR) Tab Perry was by far the best football player available when we made that pick. He has the ability to help in the return game and fly downfield to cover kicks. He and Chris have chances right away to come in and unseat guys that have been doing those things for us.

That sounds clear to me -- Cliff Russell and Kevin Walter go.

So the 6 WR would be:

Chad

Housh

P-Dub

K-Dub

Tab

Henry

Why assume that Kevin Walter goes. He played a huge role in our special teams last season and made several key plays when given the opportunity at WR. I say K-Dubz and P-Dubz are both out the door.

[membengal]

oh my freaking god no, say it aint so

GET MIKE BROWN OUT OF THE DRAFT ROOM

awful pick, particularly when they ALREADY have many good receivers AND already took a WR in round 4.

This is TERRIBLE DRAFTING.

Do they have a monkey picking out of a hat at this point?

Are they throwing darts at the wall?

Bump.

Since Tab Perry is being discussed again with a sample size, again thought it would be fun to see what people were saying at the time.

TJ was NOT happy.